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« on: March 09, 2021, 10:10:31 AM »
Peace,
I wonder where the term اَللّٰهُمَّ came from. It has been translated as O Allah so for a long time I thought adding a meem after a name in arabic is equivalent to O (the name) but thats not the case. It only works with Allah's name. Like you cant say محمدم to mean O Muhammad. That doesnt make sense. I read some theories about the origin of اَللّٰهُمَّ but no one knows for sure. One of the theories was that اَللّٰهُمَّ came from the Hebrew Elohim. Elohim is the plural (of majesty) of Eloh. And the plural form of ه (he), which is the last letter of Allah, would be هم (they) in Arabic. This leads me to think that اَللّٰهُمَّ can be from Elohim since they are both plural. But, if Allah was plural (as in respect) it would be اَللّٰهُمْ without a tashdeed and fatha on the meem but a jaazm instead. But language borrowing (Hebrew Elohim to Arabic Allahum) does not always have to make sense, which can explain why it is اَللّٰهُمَّ (with tashdeed and fatha on meem) and not اَللّٰهُمْ (jaazm on meem). But this is just a theory and the origins of this word remain unknown. Maybe you guys can explain where اَللّٰهُمَّ came from? Maybe the admin can add this to his website to give further proof that Elohim and Allah are the same God since اَللّٰهُمَّ has been used a few times in the Quran which means that (assuming my theory is correct) Allah recognized the plural of Eloh in the Bible thats why He used it a few times in the Quran?

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2021, 04:03:05 PM »
Sorry I made a slight mistake I came to fix. The ending ه does not mean he but him as in the accusative and not nominative. Same with هم. The هم ending means them and not they.

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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2021, 07:49:16 PM »
UPDATE: Actually thats not always the case

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2021, 04:52:40 AM »
Allahhumma is similar to Yahweh. 

Allahhumma means  Allah the one that you are.

Yahuwah (Yahweh) means   Ya (O)  huwa (one who is He).



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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2021, 08:08:51 AM »
So Allahumma is similar to Yahweh instead of Elohim? I heard Yahweh means O He like you said but that would be يا هو. But what happened to the heh in YHWH? يا هو is made up of yaa, alif, haa, and waaw, while YHWH is made up of yod, heh, waw, heh. Like in the Arabic يا هو, the heh is missing.

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2021, 11:22:14 AM »
Allahumma.

Allah is Allah Almighty.

Humma is concatenated with Allah means the GOD of all.


I don't care about comparing ALLAHUMMA to any Hebrew word or phrase.  This is Arabic, not Hebrew.  Let's not mix apples and oranges here.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2021, 11:34:55 AM »
Ok, so I get that we shouldnt care about matching Allahumma to any Jewish phrase but Im just saying that you yourself said Yahweh means Ya huwa but Ya huwa lacks the consonant heh in YHWH. Why is that? And forget about Elohim and Allahumma since it is comparing different languages. Just the thing is that you yourself compared the Hebrew YHWH to Arabic Ya Huwa. So maybe just explain how there is an additional heh in YHWH compared to Ya Huwa (YHW).

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2021, 12:21:10 PM »
So Allahumma means Allah the One that You are or GOD of all? I feel like I'm being obnoxious by asking too many questions but I just wanna know.

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2021, 02:03:54 PM »
Ilah in Arabic means GOD.  Allah is the Supreme GOD and the One and only GOD.


Allah-humma (Allahumma) is a compound word.  Umma is an Arabic term that gets added to words.  Like HAL-UMMA means LET US, or let us all get up, or let's go (in plural context).  Umma is an expression for the plural that gets added to the end of some words.

Allahumma means Allah of all; the Supreme GOD of all.



As to your question regarding the extra heh in Yahweh, I think it serves more as a vowel here than a letter.  But I could be wrong.  I am not sure.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2021, 02:31:39 PM »
Sorry to bother but can you give an example of the umma rule using arabic letters. Can you write Hal-Umma in Arabic? Cause I can't seem to find that rule.



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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2021, 08:56:04 PM »
Well this topic has been very long but I finally know my answer thanks to you. There is a video I found that discusses this also and it says meet mushaddah is a steroid: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-dmyPTh14

Except I have doubts that this video is correct. Anyways, thanks for the answer.

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Re: اَللّٰهُمَّ
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2021, 08:59:41 PM »
*meem

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2021, 04:55:44 AM »
We're pretty much saying the same thing.  I was saying UMMA, which is a meem with domma and shadda vowels on top of it, when added to the word ALLAH, it means ALLAH OF ALL.  And I gave you the proof for this.  The brother in the video also is saying the same thing but he articulated it better than me.

I disagree with him on UMMA making the word ALLAH "bigger" and encompassing to all of Allah Almighty's Divine Attributes.  Allah is the Sovereign GOD Almighty of all.  His Holy Name, Allah, encompasses all of His Divine Attributes.  I say Allahumma is just an Arabic expression that means the Supreme GOD of all; a shortened expression that save the person from saying the same thing in multiple words like "Allah the Supreme GOD of all" or something similar.  But again, I think we're pretty much saying the same thing.

 

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