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If these could be added under the rebuttal section, it would be a superb addition !

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Done.  I added them to the Rebuttals section of the www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links, plus multiple times within this section.

I also added them to the following articles:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/6_days.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah_and_science.htm

Also, when you visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac8.htm#links, you'll find in the Rebuttals Section that the first entry is the Rebuttals to the charges against the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care akhi,
Osama Abdallah

Brother, Arbery seems to be the only non-muslim to translate it as 'and we extend it wide'.

The others just translate it as 'we make this ample' ect.

This is also true for Yusuf Ali

why are half the translators mistranslating it? Is it because they can not grasp it?

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They just link anti-islamic websites and indirectly assert the burden of proof is on me to give them historical evidences.


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Someone keeps telling me that Muhammed pbuh's followers in Mecca were not persecuted and he wrote this:

"Actually, the Muslim faith itself provides evidence that this wasn't the case, and that Muslims were not persecuted in Mecca, only Mohammed was, as he was attempting to wage war against them. (That's a really bad habit, he should have grown out of it...) Here are just two examples.

"The story of Fatima's sister, Muhammad's oldest daughter, is of acute embarrassment to those who insist Muslims were suffering in Mecca. Zaynab was married to Abu al-Aas ibn al-Rabee, one of Muhammad's arch enemies, and had no desire to leave. When Muhammad took her husband prisoner at the Battle of Badr, Zaynab tried to ransom him, but the prophet of Islam would not free the man until she promised to leave Mecca and live in Medina with him instead. She was actually forced to trade her marriage for her husband's life. It was not until Abu al-Aas agreed to "embrace" Islam (after being taken hostage again six years later following a Muslim caravan raid) that Muhammad allowed the two to live together."

I feel so compassionate to the poor Moslems....
She was suffering so much in Mecca...
And the Qu'ran teaches there is no compulsion in religion...

yea, right!

"The historical account also flatly contradicts the popular view that all Muslims had to flee Mecca following Muhammad’s declaration of war. In fact, it was only Muhammad himself whom the Meccans were interested in seizing. This is proven by the episode recounted in Ibn Ishaq/Hisham (326-328) in which Muhammad's own son-in-law, Ali, sleeps in his bed to trick his enemies into thinking that they had cornered him on the night they came to seize him.

Not only did the Meccans do no harm to Ali, even after finding out that he had fooled them, but he remained in the city for several days thereafter with Muhammad’s daughter Fatima in order to arrange the transfer of the family business to Medina.""



Is there a rebuttal for this brother?

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can anyone help me answer this please?:

"The Muslim history would have you believe that. However the most accurate historical evidence is that Mohammed was only forced to flee after having signed an agreement with Medina to wage war on Mecca.

Where is this "historical fact" you so casually speak of? If it is your qu'ran; that is not sufficient historical evidence"

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Brilliant ideas everyone.

We definitely need a team. The other websites look like they contain a joint team effort. And you're right OP, perception is absolutely key.

We have the truth, the real information, we just need to get it out there more:)

If i could be of any use guys, please let me know.

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If these could be added under the rebuttal section, it would be a superb addition !

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Done.  I added them to the Rebuttals section of the www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links, plus multiple times within this section.

I also added them to the following articles:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/6_days.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah_and_science.htm

Also, when you visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac8.htm#links, you'll find in the Rebuttals Section that the first entry is the Rebuttals to the charges against the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care akhi,
Osama Abdallah

Walakyumsalam:)


Jazakallah! Thank you for adding the article. (A minor spelling mistake in "Furhtermore" on the article, but otherwise it's informative).

So many of the anti-Islamic websites have been feeding people the idea that the universe is not expanding and it's a false translation and that we only started doing it after 1930. Looking at the Arabic words and the history of tafseer we know that is not the case!

Did you check out the answering Islam website(and some other wiki answer/ refutation website)  stating that the Big Bang in the Quran is some pagan myth? That was a total joke of a rebuttal by them!

The pagan myths assume a fully formed "sky" was attached to earth and God separated them - it's a superstitious myth.

In the Quran, the earth and universe as a whole came from DUKHAN. Everything previously was from a singularity, which totally disproves the notion that the earth and 'sky' was fully formed, so all in all, it is clearly referring to the fact that our universe stemmed from a singularity, - no doubts about it.

Some of the refutations posed clearly quote mine the Holy Quran and ignore the context.

By the way Brother, i saw you had something on Isaac Newton. I watched a documentary on TV and they quoted him saying that he believed the bible was corrupted in the 4th century, and that he did not believe in the trinity, and that he believed God was one, and Jesus pbuh was a medium i.e a prophet between us and God. Isaac newton spent MUCH more time on theology than mathematics/physics/alchemy! Mashallah.

Thanks once again!

edit: Also brother, the clay article you had was great.(new scientist article) Do you feel another interpretation could be that we are naturally from organic material that originates from earth/clay in terms of our nutrient composition? So that in addition to water constitutes the elements found in a human being.


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Brother  , about the Big Crunch, isn't it the scientific consensus due to dark energy that the universe will actually continue to expand forever? Perhaps Allah swt means he will stop the expansion and cause it to receede by his divine power?

Ahsant

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Brilliant guys, thank you. The in-depth arabic break down and the historical proof by both brothers were absolutely useful to me. May God reward you both:)

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Your most welcome.  Please ask any and all questions that bother you.  Islam is the Divine Truth!  May Allah Almighty protect you and protect all of the brothers and sisters here from the disbelievers' snares and attacks on Islam.  Ameen.

By the way, I have added ample more examples to the same post that I wrote earlier: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1027.msg3438.html#msg3438.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Ahsant, i have checked the post out again. Some websites have been using translations by some translators as God just 'making the heavens vast'. And they say 'Oh look where is the expansion'?

This thread, and your posts clearly show

1. The word for word arabic.
2. The fact early scholars did indeed translate it as expansion - many claim they did not.


If these could be added under the rebuttal section, it would be a superb addition !

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A lot of websites say he was 90 when he died, and that he died of arthritis and some artery disease. Can these websites be verified please? If he was 90, some people say he had severe arthritis and could not be riding a chariot to chase Musa a.s.

Ahsant.

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/body_pharaoh.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II

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Brilliant guys, thank you. The in-depth arabic break down and the historical proof by both brothers were absolutely useful to me. May God reward you both:)

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Salamunalaykum,

I am not an arabic speaker, but the below website claims to have met the Quran challenge. I understand the Quran does not fall in poetry or prose. A lot of non-muslims are quoting this website and link to disprove Islam and the Quran. Is it possible for a future article to refute this?

Ahsant

http://suralikeit.com/

Thank you

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Ameen! This had nothing to do with Islam. My deep condolences to all the victims.

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mashallah brother. You have provided arabic evidence, which i wanted. Just to ask, how does one account for the early muslims not translating it properly. Has a single muslim before 1920 translated it as expanding brother?

Ahsant, jazakallah for the answer. So the Arabic definitely means expanding.

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Salamunalykum,

I hope the title is not true - and it makes no sense for it to be true- but when i debate with atheists and theists, and show to them the scientific miracles, they say that the Quranic arabic word has many, many, many meanings - each word having around thirty(? is that even true?) , and that the translations are all mostly speculative and are 'word play'. Hamza Tzortis himself says in his debate with Lawrence Krauss that he does not believe in doing Dawah by using scientific miracles of the Quran because the arabic words individually have so many, many translations and in the early periods they were all translated wrongly.

Surely this isn't true? Surely there needs to be a more or less reliable form of translation?

I would love to obtain an answer, i know Brother Osama has the Lisan Al Arab, and so he would be in a very good position to answer this:)

Furthermore brother, why do early translations of the Quran not describe the universe as expanding? Is it that the translators mistranslated it? Are there latin or greek or some early translators who did not mistranslate it?

Ahsant

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Illuminati BS
« on: April 22, 2013, 12:20:15 PM »
Brother, the conspiracy theories , it true, still should not be part of an islamic website where you have beautifully shown and collated the Quranic miracles and had inter-faith dialogues.

I have no opinion on who did 9/11 or the Boston Bombings, but brother, why not make a sister website? A lot of people are turned off by these conspiracy theories, and will think Islam too is a conspiracy theory(true or false, the perception of 9/11 and zionism being talked about sparks of a sense of discontent).

Allah swt never remotely mentions 9/11 or these other things. Surely we should keep this website for what Allah swt does say, and produce a sister website (with the other material?)

It's easy for me to sit here and give this talk when it is you who do all this work, and i mean nothing negative in this. I say it because i care enough to.

Wasallam brother:)

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