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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 28, 2021, 08:28:44 AM »
Jazaka Allah Khayr as well, brother.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 28, 2021, 08:23:04 AM »
It was just a question when I was reading the Quran. Obviously the infidels have nothing, if the infidels argue about كَانَ they have to know that there are present tenses for Allah. (وَاللهُ سَمِيْعٌ عَلِيْمٌ) "And God is Hearing, Knowing." So forget about the infidels. I was just asking why كَانَ was sometimes used in the Quran. You have given a good answer saying كَانَ is for Allah and resembles the Eternal and Infinite Attributes and that they weren't just "become" one day.

جَزَاكُمُ اللهُ خَيْرًا
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 28, 2021, 08:08:16 AM »
Kaana كَانَ when used for Allah Almighty it means what I described in the previous post, because it indeed is the closest word that can give us a simple picture of His Infinity.  Allah Almighty did use YAKOON (2:117), which is present of Kaana, when the Almighty Said when He wants to create something He commands it "be and it becomes" (2:117).  Here YAKOON was used, because it has beginning and end (all shall taste death) 3:185 كل نفس ذائقة الموت .  But with Allah Almighty past tense encompasses all past and present and future.  There is nothing comparable to Allah Almighty (112:004).  Our earthly grammar does not encompass Allah Almighty.  But the use of past tense is the most appropriate.


In a nutshell, before anything and everything was Allah Almighty.  Hence the use of past tense for Allah Almighty.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 27, 2021, 09:45:36 AM »
I get why Allah uses past tense for future events now but I do not get why Allah says "وَكَانَ اللهُ سَمِيْعًا عَلِيْمًا" (Allah WAS hearing and knowing). But Allah is always hearing and knowing. Like the Day of Judgement will come to pass, which is why it is past tense, but Allah being hearing and knowing will never come to pass because He is always hearing and knowing and those are His Attributes. So please explain to me why Allah uses كَانَ for Himself when His Attributes are always there.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 27, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Past tense is used for Allah Almighty to tell every flesh and blood creation on this earth that Allah Almighty is the GOD Almighty of all times and all existence, and all infinity and all eternity.  Our earth and existence here is limited, and our logic can not encompass this.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Tenses Question
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 26, 2021, 10:09:13 PM »
Assalamu Alaykum,
I just want to ask why does the Quran refer to future and present events as past tense? There are many examples, like Surah 56:1 is one of them: "When the Occurance occurs," إِذَا وَقَعَتِ الْوَاقِعَةُ

The word used here is وَقَعَتْ, which is actually a past tense verb which means "occured" so the literal meaning would be "When the Occurance occured," instead of "occurs". So why does the Quran talk about the Day of Judgment in the past tense instead of the future tense?

Also, Surah 4:148 says, "Allah does not like negative thoughts to be voiced—except by those who have been wronged. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."

لَا يُحِبُّ اللهُ الْجَهْرَ بِالسُّوْءِ مِنَ الْقَوْلِ إِلَّا مَنْ ظُلِمَ وَكَانَ اللهُ سَمِيْعًا عَلِيْمًا

The word used for "is" in "Allah is" is كَانَ, which is actually a past tense verb (can it be used in the present tense?)"was". So the literal meaning of وَكَانَ الله is "Allah was," instead of "Allah is". But Allah is always hearing and knowing. Instead of كَانَ, the word could have been يَكُونُ (no?), which is the present tense "is". So why does Allah use past tense verbs to describe  things that are in the present or future?
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / From a forum
« Last post by Emre_1974tr on May 25, 2021, 09:19:47 AM »

From a forum:

"Did Satan trick Christians into worshiping it as 'God'?

Here is description of Yahweh, the God of the Bible:

There went up a smoke out of his [Yahweh's] nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
Psalm 18:8 & 2 Samuel 22:9

And here is a description of the Leviathan [aka Satan]:

Out of his [Leviathan's] nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. Job 41:20

As we can see, Yahweh’s description is identical to Leviathan’s/Satan's description! Both described as a fire-breathing dragon!
Isaiah 27:1… Leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; the dragon that is in the sea.

Yet Yahweh is described exactly as the Leviathan? (dragon)

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world [into worshiping it as 'God']

Here's another possible clue that ‘the LORD’ ['God'] of the Bible really might be Satan!

These 2 passages are referenced to each other in my Bible (KJV) and you can check for yourself that they are in the same context (by reading the succeeding few verses)

<< 2 Samuel 24 >>
King James Version

1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Is referenced to:
<< 1 Chronicles 21 >>
King James Version

1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Within the same exact context, the terms ‘the LORD’ and ‘Satan’ are used interchangeably! – as if they were the same entity!"
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 22, 2021, 05:31:26 PM »
Jazakallah Khayran for answering the questions. I guess you have to send your daughter to Islamic schools. And you have to be really careful.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 05:28:10 PM »
Also wow you definitely hate Wstern women a lot, lol. And who was that one guy who said that, you knew him?

A guy at work.  I don't hate anyone.  I wish them all Divine Guidance from Allah Almighty.  But I definitely do not want my daughter to associate with anyone of them.  Me and my wife are in total agreement on this.  No non-Muslim female friend, and certainly no male friend at all (Muslim or none).
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM »
Maybe brother.  There is no certain documentation about this.  Again, memorizing 6236 Noble Verses is not easy.  Maybe the Prophet, peace be upon him, actually did.  But in the end, it wouldn't at all compromise the preservation of the Holy Quran, because it was thoroughly documented and preserved by the community, and not just by one person.  Plus the Quran is read in parts and systematically in our daily Prayers from beginning to end, and is read whole during the Month of Ramadan.  So there were many who memorized it and documented it.
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