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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Trinity
« on: July 17, 2014, 07:30:46 PM »
God transcends His creation. I'm not saying that space time and matter are God, but when God created these things He left an imprint of Himself. The universe could not exist in the balance it does today if an Omniscient mind had not created it, so god's that make mistakes are automatically ruled out as are gods who are less than sovereign because their wills could be overruled. I'm saying that in the creation of time space matter and the family God is teaching men, not in words but as only a Creator can through what He has made, that He exists in three persons God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.

As for your second comment, if Islam is the fulfilling of what God has ordained in order to achieve the after life then were all going to hell no one can be as perfect as God even to the extent that we follow rules we will fail. For example, this month is ramadan and I can almost guarantee some one you know has broken the fast either on accident or on purpose. Have you ever failed to fast in this month? I fasted yesterday so as to not offend one of my Muslim friends and its no walk in the park.

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I know you don't know your book perfectly, but try to imagine your statement from God's perspective. God's word's remaining on earth based on obedience of man that's not the all powerful God that created the universe. If Gods prophets were killed and their words ignored their still needs to be communication between God and His creation. Consider  two painters one authentic and one fraudulent both painters can speak to men and tell them that they are the painter, but only one is telling the truth. The kind of answers I'm looking for are not somebody speaking on behalf of God, but a sort of signature from The Creator. If God is just then He has to make His identity known all men. No man can draw close to God by prophecy's and sets of rules because not all men live to see prophecy fulfilled and all men break the laws of God whether revealed or not. A god that speaks only through men can hardly be considered God. In other words, if the only place you can find the god of the Quran, is in the Quran then how can you claim he is The Creator of everything. The world can only assume the author of the quran is another painter who is trying to take credit for the work of someone else, The Creator. I don't think you gave your answer much thought their has to be something that you read in the Quran that resonated with you for you to believe it. If you believe the Quran to be the truth then it the truth found in it must be universally true. To say it another way, If the Quran is true, then it's teachings are true regardless of it's actual existence. What are these teachings, and what message would Muslims preach that transcends the words in your book were it to be destroyed?     

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This is a hypothetical question, but what do you think would happen to the Muslim faith if the Quran was completely destroyed. I'm not saying this is what i want or what will happen, but I'm curious to see what some body of this faith would do? ( i'm aware that Muhammad is the last prophet so if his message was from God, God would not let this happen, and that Gods words cannot be changed or broken this is a hypothetical question) How would you relate to others? what would be the message you preach, and on what grounds would you defend what you teach? To what would you appeal for authority on some of the finer points of your religion? without a mosque and a Quran would you even be a Muslim? How could you be convinced of the teachings found in the Quran, by a Muslim, if the book had ceased to be?

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Trinity
« on: July 16, 2014, 11:17:15 PM »
The reason the statement is worded in the way that it is, is to get people to think of God outside of the text they have received. God is certainly greater than the Bible and He is greater than the Quran. These books are what people study to get a further understanding of who God is. I would like the people reading the question to consider the information present, not what has been written in books. God has left a testimony of himself in what He has created, so that the entire world is without an excuse before Him on judgement day. I could get into the Hebrew words used for God in the old testament, but I think my point has yet to be answered. Why does the universe we exist in have so many parts pointing back to a three in one concept its not foreign or new Time space matter and families have existed in threes from the beginning. There is a natural precedence for this thought. I believe God is three in one and this belief extends beyond what I'm taught in a book. What I have read in the Bible is confirmed by what I see in reality, so I accept it as true. Nevertheless, not all men have the witness of scripture, so they are taught by what has been made. God is making Himself known to humanity not just in words but through What He has made. Why do you believe God is an absolutely one solitary person, and how can he relate to us if He is again He is spirit we are not He is infinite we are not he is perfect we are not he is all powerful we are weak If he cannot relate to us than how can he judge the world? If He is a solitary being then why does the creation speak to us so clearly in threes?   

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Trinity
« on: July 07, 2014, 11:40:37 PM »
One doesn't need to appeal to the Bible to see that the trinity is taught. In nature we see the teaching in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. We know that this material universe consists of three parts time space and matter but it is all the same universe. If we break these three apart we see that time again is separated into three but it is all time past present and future. Space we live in a three dimensional universe length width and height. Matter also exists in three solid liquid and gas. Nevertheless I believe the biggest and most easily recognizable to all of humanity is the family a family consists of children a mother and a father. Before any one gets any ideas this concept is explained in the bible because all of the believers in Christ as God and savior are adopted into Gods family as Children. As a person without any revelation from God |I could make an argument that I would be with God forever if only I was His son because a great being like |God must forgive his children all that they do as an earthly father forgives his children. The question is who can connect with me a perfect God to be His son The answer would be a perfect son Jesus.   

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is Hell eternal?
« on: July 07, 2014, 11:16:22 PM »
The problem with Allah allowing Someone into heaven after a certain amount of punishment in hell is that it takes away God's hatred of sin. If He doesn't punish sin eternally then He doesn't hate sin. This is not a case I've heard any Muslim make most Muslims I meet agree that sin is a problem between humanity and God. As far as Allah being the most merciful this is not the case with a half punishment in hell because the ones who are supposed to receive mercy are being punished. Mercy is not receiving what you deserve for wronging somebody. In this case they do receive punishment so Allah is not being merciful towards them. At least not the most merciful because certainly there are even some humans who have forgiven someone completely and without cause for retribution. If God is the greatest possible being in existence then He can't forgive half way. God is obligated by His great nature to forgive completely when He chooses to forgive.  I see the approach the man is taking in arguing for this position but I believe it perverts Gods holy character to say He will allow some one into heaven after punishment. What God does he does infinitely if He love's someone he will love them infinitely if He rejects someone he will do so infinitely if He forgives someone He will do so infinitely. What this teaching suggests is that people make it to heaven on different merits either because they were forgiven or because they finished with the punishment Allah had for them in which case he is not the most merciful but merely fulfilling justice in punishing someone for their sins that is if Allah's punishment is not eternal. Which I believe the quran teaches that it is and if it is he is not being just in his punishment to allow some into heaven after punishment. The biggest problem with Muslims concept of God is their idea of forgiveness. How can God be a just judge if He is also forgiving/merciful. How does any one make it to heaven if we have all transgressed God's laws either by going against our God given conscious or against the laws written in holy books. God by his very just and holy (perfect) nature has to judge and reject us for our imperfections because if He accepts any one without a punishment then He is not just. If He is not just how can He judge? I think the real question here is How can God forgive.           

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