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Offline karim fattah

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« on: August 08, 2017, 09:41:26 AM »
salam

an ex muslim made the following claim how do i respond? in surah al fil, surah 105 from the beginning it relates the story that there was an army (companions of the elephant) which intended to come and destroy the kaaba, so the quran says that allah sent birds and they destroyed the army. But in 683 the kaaba was almost completely destroyed by fire.

In January 930, it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Bahrain). According to Ottoman historian Qutb al-Din, writing in 1857, Qarmatian leader Abu Tahir al-Qarmati set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the hajj away from Mecca. However, this failed, and pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.[25]

According to the historian Al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces.

so it was almost burned down and allah swt did nothing, it was stolen for 23 years and allah swt did nothing. also how do we know that the black stone which was returned or given back after it had been stolen was the true black stone, maybe they gave a fake one back.

jzk khair

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 10:40:39 AM »
Problem is the Kaaba is a holy shrine

Not the black stone the black stone was only there so Muslims can follow Muhammad SAW's Sunnah.

Nothing else,relate this hadith:

BUKHARI:

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667:

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:  Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." 

MUSLIM:

Book 007, Number 2914:

Abdullah b. Sarjis reported:  I saw the bald one, i. e. 'Umar b. Khattib (Allah be pleased with him). kissing the Stone and saying: BY ALLAH. I AM KISSING WITH FULL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND THAT YOU CAN NEITHER DO ANY HARM NOR GOOD; and if I had not seen Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) kissing you. I would not have kissed you. The rest of the hadith is the same.

 

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