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« on: March 05, 2021, 12:57:15 PM »
Peace,
I have a question. Allah cannot be in a place because He is not limited by creation. I have some Verses to discuss in this case. Verse 4:158 of the Quran says that Allah raised Jesus to Himself. If Allah doesn't live in the Heavens (not a bald old man in Heaven), then what does this verse mean? It means he was raised to heaven but Allah is not living in Heaven? Also another verse 40:37 says that Firaun wanted to see Allah so he told Haman to build a tower up to Heaven? But Allah is not in Heaven?
 

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2021, 05:01:15 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Welcome to the board.  Prophet Isa is probably in the world of BARZAKH.  This is where all of our souls will rest in till the Day of Judgment.  But I could be wrong.  We do not know the detailed answer.  The answer belongs to the world of unknown regarding where exactly Isa is now:

"They ask thee concerning the Spirit, say it is by the Command of my Lord, and little of knowledge was given to you" (Quran, 17:85)


WAFAT is the state when we die.  It is also the state when we go to sleep.  Allah Almighty told Prophet Isa that Allah Almighty MUTAWFEEK (derived from wafat).  So he could be in a state of WAFAT right now.  Or he could be in the Bliss of Heaven.  Heaven also exists as we speak.  There are Beings currently in Allah Almighty's Heaven right now.  So he could be there as well.  Only Allah Almighty knows.

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2021, 06:23:53 PM »
But Allah says that He raised Jesus to Himself. Not that Jesus is in Heaven or in the state of barzakh right? This makes it sound like Jesus is in the same place as God and not Heaven. But that is complete blaspheme because no one can be as high as God? So what is this verse really saying? Also how about when Pharoah told Haman to build a tower to see God? Perhaps Moses told Firaun that Allah is High and Firaun misinterpreted that as Allah is in Heaven? I dont know.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2021, 10:24:37 PM »
‏4:158 بل رفعه الله اليه وكان الله عزيزا حكيما

[004:158]  God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise.


There is no SELF (nafs) here.  Allah raised him to Him (the Almighty) اليه.  That remains unknown to us as to where.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2021, 11:25:51 AM »
Sorry but what do you mean by there is no nafs?

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2021, 06:45:48 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2021, 06:56:18 PM »
NAFS means self.  Allah Almighty did not use this word in the NOble Verse.  He only used Elayh (to Him).

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2021, 11:46:10 PM »
I get that Jesus’ self or nafs was not mentioned in the verse. But what’s your point? How does that answer my question that this verse sounds strange given that Allh’s not in a place?

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2021, 06:42:00 AM »
I was referring to Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty raised Jesus to Him.  Not Himself.  The translation is wrong because the word nafs (self) is not there in "to Himself".

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2021, 07:42:01 AM »
Ok i got that now. But how do you deal with the Pharoah verses?

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2021, 04:55:21 AM »
What are the Pharaoh verses?

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2021, 08:02:29 AM »
It is 40:37 as i said in the beginning of the post. Where Pharoah wants to see Moses' God so he commands Haman to build a tower up to the heaven. But Allah does not stay in Heaven?

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2021, 11:03:35 AM »
[040:037]  "The ways and means of (reaching) the heavens, and that I may mount up to the God of Moses: But as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" Thus was made alluring, in Pharaoh's eyes, the evil of his deeds, and he was hindered from the Path; and the plot of Pharaoh led to nothing but perdition (for him).

Allah Almighty is quoting Pharaoh here.  No one can reach Allah Almighty.  Also, Allah Almighty said that we won't be able to pass through space except when we have Sultan (mighty authority and power).  The space travel Prophecy is detailed in the Glorious Quran at:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.mp4 (By Sheikh Yusuf Estes)
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_and_lack_of_oxygen.mp3
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links



It is in the corrupt Bible that GOD became concerned that the Babylonians were going to reach Him with their mighty tower:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_scientific_absurdities.htm

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2021, 11:05:35 AM »
Yeah but like where did pharoah get this idea from in the first place that Allah is up in the sky?

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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2021, 09:00:51 PM »
So now how about this question.

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2021, 04:50:14 AM »
Pharaoh existed thousands of years before Islam.  What does Islam have to do with this?  Ancient corrupt writings, which the Bible is marred with, contain ample lies.  The Quran is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty.  Visit the following links to see the ample Noble Verses that speak about the Glorious Quran's Scientific Miracles in geology and astronomy:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#geology
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#astronomy
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2021, 07:56:19 AM »
May Allah reward you. Yes, like the tower reaching GOD in the Bible, Pharaoh thought the same because they both were blaspheming. And man probably looks up at GOD is in the sky because He is high in power, not that he is actually in the sky.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2021, 01:42:54 PM »
Sorry but now I have another question. So how about the miraaj? The prophet went up to the Heavens and finally saw GOD? He talked with Him and stuff? So this also sounds like Allah's in the Heavens?

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2021, 11:37:19 AM »
Allah Almighty is everywhere.  Heaven is one of His creations.  He can talk to any Prophet or Angel in Heaven.  In Heaven, He will speak to any and all of the inhabitants of Heaven as He spoke with Moses, peace be upon him.  No one will ever see GOD Almighty, but we can still speak with Him.

There is a scientific miracle in Prophet Muhammad's journey to Heaven:

https://answering-christianity.com/earth.htm#ozone_layer_green_carpet


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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2021, 07:05:09 PM »
Ok, I have 2 questions. I believe that this Verse (6:103) on not seeing Allah is clear:

No vision can encompass Him, but He encompasses all vision. For He is the Most Subtle, All-Aware.

(Question 1)However, Surah Qiyamah Verse 23 says that the good people in the day of Judgement will be"looking at their Lord. " What does this mean? Does it mean that their pure hearts will create an image of the Lord and that the eyes can't see the Lord? This is because the Surah doesn't mention the bad people looking at their Lord.

(Question 2)Also, in Surah A'araf Verse 143 it says that Allah appeared on Mount Sinai:

When Moses came at the appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he asked, “My Lord! Reveal Yourself to me so I may see You.” Allah answered, “You cannot see Me! But look at the mountain. If it remains firm in its place, only then will you see Me.” When his Lord appeared to the mountain, He levelled it to dust and Moses collapsed unconscious. When he recovered, he cried, “Glory be to You! I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers.”
 


Though I definitely believe that it is not for Man to see Allah, what happened with this Verse? How did Allah appear on the mountain? Even though Moses didn't see Him because he fainted, he would have seen Him if he was still conscious. No? Also I thought Allah is not physical. But doesn't this Verse seem to suggest otherwise?

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2021, 07:26:32 PM »
I hope I'm not being obnoxious but also the hafiths say that the greatest blessing of the people in Heaven will be to see Allah. Does this mean (as I said before), the heart will create an image of Allah or are these hadiths fabricated?

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2021, 07:58:10 AM »
I read the Hadiths about this topic.  There is not a single Hadith that says anyone will see Allah Almighty.  We will only see Allah Almighty's Light.

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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2021, 08:24:30 AM »
Does Allah literally have light? But is not light a creation? So how can it be applied to the Creator? Also that means that Allah is physical?

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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2021, 09:10:27 AM »
Tafsir ibn Kathir of 7:143 says, "...(And when his Lord appeared to the mountain,) Only the extent of the little finger appeared from Him...(He made it collapse) as dust;" Ibn Kathir says that the Prophet said that Allah showed His Finger?
How can Allah have fingers?

Now I have 2 questions:

So question 1 is how can Allah have fingers (saying that Tafsir ibn Kathir is right)? That means Allah resembles His creation according to Ibn Kathir? (Anthropomorphism?)

Question 2 is that does Allah literally have light? But light is a creation? This makes it sound like Allah is physical, no?

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2021, 12:33:46 PM »
No one can describe Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty Face, Hands, Finger, Leg, Feet are all earthly descriptions to bring the point to us.  But Allah Almighty is without Divine Description and there is none like unto Him:

[112:004]  And there is none like unto Him.


The Light of Allah Almighty in Heaven and the Universe can not be described either.  Nothing about Allah Almighty can be described.

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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2021, 12:36:02 PM »
So tafsir ibn Kathir was wrong right? He said that Allah showed His pinky when the pinky is just an earthly description and not literal?

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2021, 12:51:48 PM »
My last question. Before the Universe was created, nothing existed except Allah. Since light is a creation, it didnt exist. So how would Allah have light then?

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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2021, 12:51:57 PM »
Allah Almighty can show any form to any creation.  If He decided to show the mountain a finger-like object that caused it to immediately collapse, then so be it.  No one can describe Allah Almigthy.

I don't know where Ibn Kathir got the "finger" part from, but be as it may, the tafsir would not be wrong if that indeed happened.  But Allah Almighty is LIMITLESS and INFINITE.  We have no clue what His Divine Realm is like.  No one can describe Him.


So how do you know the Quran is from Him?

Look at the Glorious Quran's Numerical and Scientific Miracles which the Almighty promised to reveal to all of mankind to thoroughly prove to them that the Glorious Quran is from Him:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Do not derail yourself into too many questions that attempt to describe Allah Almighty.  You can't with your human logic even answer things like;

-  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
-  How could you when you were a microscopic being grow to thousands of times bigger in size today?


Logically these things don't make sense.  Yet, they're materialized here on earth.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2021, 12:57:16 PM »
Sorry im not sure if you saw my last question but it was: My last question. Before the Universe was created, nothing existed except Allah. Since light is a creation, it didnt exist. So how would Allah have light then?

After this i will stop asking questions about Him.

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2021, 01:00:34 PM »
The Light of Allah Almighty is limitless and infinite.  No human can describe Allah Almighty's Light.  It is one of His Divine Attributes (Al-Nur).  Allah Almighty talked to us in the Glorious Quran with our earthly vocabularies to make things understandable for us.

So how do we know then that Allah Almighty is real and not a fictional being?  Again, visit the link above about the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Divine Prophecies, and Numerical and Scientific Miracles.

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2021, 01:14:57 PM »
Ok. No more questions about Allah.

 

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