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fadi:
Peace be upon you,


--- Quote from: Emre_1974tr on July 10, 2022, 09:01:06 AM ---The fabricated hadith, which contains a great trap, says the following:

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "If you had not committed any sin, Allah would have destroyed you and created in your place those who would have committed sin (but whom He would have forgiven because of their repentance)." Muslim, Tawbah, 9, (2748); Tirmidhi, Da'awat 105, (3533)

So according to this rumor/rumor, if a society never sins, it will be destroyed. But of course this lie was invented to mislead people and lead them to sin.

--- End quote ---

The translation of the hadith you provided is incorrect. For those who can't read Arabic, please copy the hadith and go to google translate and paste it to translate it to English or any language you speak https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=translate
This is the hadith in Arabic قال الرسول ﷺ: والذي نفسي بيده لو لم تذنبوا؛ لذهب الله بكم، ولجاء بقوم غيركم يذنبون، فيستغفرون الله؛ فيغفر لهم

The correct translation is "if you had not sinned; God will take you away," but you said, "God will destroy you". I already explained twice and gave you verses from Quran to prove the authenticity of this hadith but you are still disputing it and providing me with irrelevant verses from Quran. It's true that God said in Quran that He will destroy those who sin, but the destruction is for those who don't repent and ask for forgiveness. One of the names of God is (Saboor = Patient) which means He is patient with our sins and gives us time to correct ourselves.


* Quran (35:45) And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for what they have earned, He would not leave upon the earth any creature. But He defers them for a specified term. And when their time comes, then indeed Allah has ever been, of His servants, Seeing.
*
However, the Hadith clearly says you MUST ask for forgiveness. The reason Prophet Mohamed said this hadith is to tell people that you will never be able to do complete righteousness because God alone is perfect and you will sin from one time to another, but he gave us the solution which is to ask for forgiveness and repent. He also said this hadith to give us hope that God will forgive us if we ask for forgiveness and repent and not despair from the mercy of God.

I know that Quran is the only book that is preserved and protected by God, but for Hadith, we refer to Quran, if hadith agrees with Quran, we would accept it otherwise we don't. And this hadith agrees with Quran and I provided you with the verses from Quran. Please read the previous post.

My dear friend and brother, thank you so much for your attempt to explain to me Quran, may God forgives your sins and our sins and grant all of us paradise. However, I will not respond to your posts regarding this subject anymore because I already answered your allegations a few times.

With sincere respect,[/size]

Emre_1974tr:

--- Quote from: fadi on July 10, 2022, 01:13:46 PM ---Peace be upon you,


--- Quote from: Emre_1974tr on July 10, 2022, 09:01:06 AM ---The fabricated hadith, which contains a great trap, says the following:

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "If you had not committed any sin, Allah would have destroyed you and created in your place those who would have committed sin (but whom He would have forgiven because of their repentance)." Muslim, Tawbah, 9, (2748); Tirmidhi, Da'awat 105, (3533)

So according to this rumor/rumor, if a society never sins, it will be destroyed. But of course this lie was invented to mislead people and lead them to sin.

--- End quote ---

The translation of the hadith you provided is incorrect. For those who can't read Arabic, please copy the hadith and go to google translate and paste it to translate it to English or any language you speak https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=translate
This is the hadith in Arabic قال الرسول ﷺ: والذي نفسي بيده لو لم تذنبوا؛ لذهب الله بكم، ولجاء بقوم غيركم يذنبون، فيستغفرون الله؛ فيغفر لهم

The correct translation is "if you had not sinned; God will take you away," but you said, "God will destroy you". I already explained twice and gave you verses from Quran to prove the authenticity of this hadith but you are still disputing it and providing me with irrelevant verses from Quran. It's true that God said in Quran that He will destroy those who sin, but the destruction is for those who don't repent and ask for forgiveness. One of the names of God is (Saboor = Patient) which means He is patient with our sins and gives us time to correct ourselves.


* Quran (35:45) And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for what they have earned, He would not leave upon the earth any creature. But He defers them for a specified term. And when their time comes, then indeed Allah has ever been, of His servants, Seeing.
*
However, the Hadith clearly says you MUST ask for forgiveness. The reason Prophet Mohamed said this hadith is to tell people that you will never be able to do complete righteousness because God alone is perfect and you will sin from one time to another, but he gave us the solution which is to ask for forgiveness and repent. He also said this hadith to give us hope that God will forgive us if we ask for forgiveness and repent and not despair from the mercy of God.

I know that Quran is the only book that is preserved and protected by God, but for Hadith, we refer to Quran, if hadith agrees with Quran, we would accept it otherwise we don't. And this hadith agrees with Quran and I provided you with the verses from Quran. Please read the previous post.

My dear friend and brother, thank you so much for your attempt to explain to me Quran, may God forgives your sins and our sins and grant all of us paradise. However, I will not respond to your posts regarding this subject anymore because I already answered your allegations a few times.

With sincere respect,[/size]

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Hi, my frined;

No, on the contrary. I have shown you with proofs that this fabricated hadith is a horrible trap, and you are still frantically defending it, which is totally contrary to the Quran and totally slanderous.

I have explained it in pages and pages, do you want me to quote it here again? Because I see you have not read it.

You have no excuse. I have shown you the truth with verses. Allah says that if we do not commit any sin in this world, we will start living a life like paradise.

But your horrible slanderous statement says the opposite. And I have explained at length why the devils invent these lies. Satan wants to trap you.

God Almighty does not need your repentance, your supplication.

I hope you will break free from the teachings of hadith/sufism/paganism and turn to the teachings of the Quran, Islam.

Please move away from the tyranny of taking religious sources other than the Quran. hadiths, false gospels and false Torah, all contain terrible traps. only and only the holy Quran offers us the truth.

And the verses you have given also talk about the evil of sinning. You can never show a verse that talks about the disadvantage of not sinning. Please stop distorting verses, stop the tyranny of making it look like opposite of what the verses are saying.

Allah Almighty says that if you sin, you will perish. If you do not sin, you will enjoy abundant blessings even in this world. Health, long life and wealth will surround you even in this world.

Peace

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