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Peace be upon you,

I want to prove to you that Jesus is not the person who was on the cross and from the Bible.

•   John (20:13) They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.”

In next verse, the woman who was searching for Jesus was in fact standing beside him and speaking to him, yet she was unable to recognize that he is Jesus.

•   John (20:14) Having said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing, but she did not know that it was Jesus.

In next verse, the woman could not recognize Jesus and thought he is the gardener. The question here is how it could be possible that a woman who knew Jesus for many years and was standing face to face with him could not recognize him and thought he is the gardener. The answer is that Jesus was disguised. He was dressing like the gardener and was covering his face with a scarf like the scarf of the gardener. Why Jesus was disguised? Because he was afraid that they want to kill him.

However, Christians disagree that Jesus was disguised as a gardener because the Bible does not say that. Christians believe that the reason that this lady was unable to recognize Jesus was that this was a miracle from God. Although the Bible does not say that Jesus was “disguised”, but it's easy to conclude this because the lady thought he is the gardener, therefore, he was dressed like a gardener.

She also told him “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him”. Please pay attention to “have carried him”, why she said “carried him” because she heard that they crucified Jesus and he is dead, that why she said, “carried him”. We only carry dead people because people who are alive can walk.

•   John (20:15) Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.”

In next verse, the man she could not recognize that he is Jesus called her by her name, he ONLY said to her “Mary”. The minute Jesus spoke, she immediately recognized him that he is Jesus. She was astonished to discover that he is Jesus and alive. Please pay attention that she called him “TEACHER”, she did not call him “LORD”.

•   John (20:16) Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to him in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means Teacher).

In next verse, Jesus instructed the woman not to touch him. This is because in Islam a man is not allowed to touch a foreign woman other than his wife, mother, sister, daughter, niece, aunt, or grandmother.

Jesus told her that he did not ascend unto God yet. This is to prove that the person who was on the cross was not Jesus because the lady was looking for a dead Jesus because she heard that they crucified him while she discovered that he was alive. Also, pay attention that Jesus said “my God and your God” which means that Jesus is not God.

•   John (20:17) Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.

Quran says that Jesus was not the person who was placed on the cross but his enemy. God puts the look of Jesus unto this man and everyone assumed that this man is Jesus and they crucified him.

•   Quran (4:157) and for their saying: We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God. And they killed him not, nor they crucified him. Rather, a likeness to him of another was shown to them. And, truly, those who were at variance in it are in uncertainty about it. There is no knowledge with them about it but they are pursuing an opinion. And they for certain killed him not.

There is another proof in the Bible that the person who was on the cross was NOT Jesus. God said in Isaiah that His servant will cry or raise his voice in the street
 
•   Isaiah (42:1-2) Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets.

Bu the person who was on the cross cried and raised his voice in the street. This is ample proof that he was not Jesus.

•   Matthew (27:46) About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

I invite you to read Quran to discover the truth.

Regards,

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I made a typing error. I said "God said in Isaiah that His servant will cry or raise his voice". It should be "God said in Isaiah that His servant will NOT cry or raise his voice"

There is another proof in the Bible that the person who was on the cross was NOT Jesus. God said in Isaiah that His servant will cry or raise his voice in the street
 
•   Isaiah (42:1-2) Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets.

Bu the person who was on the cross cried and raised his voice in the street. This is ample proof that he was not Jesus.

•   Matthew (27:46) About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

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As'salamu Alaikum.  Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother.

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according to Christians, Jesus is always aware that he is one of the three Gods where all three had the appearances of old bearded men and none of them being superior to each other.

Its just that Logos the God decided that he shall incarnate his self as a human on earth and also as the son of the other God namely Father the God to provide opportunity of salvation to mankind.

In the passage that you quoted, Logos had to act as if he's in despair and shout to God the Father while being God his self. and Logos will return to earth to punish those  who rejected his offer of salvation.

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Peace be upon you,

But the books that Christians follow say God is not a man. How then Christians believe that God came to earth in the shape of a man “Jesus”.

•   Hosea (11:9) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

•   Numbers (23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Also, the books that Christians believe in say that Adam and Ephraim are sons of God. Why then do Christians believe that Jesus alone is the son of God???

•   Jeremiah (31:20) Is not Ephraim my dear son, the child in whom I delight...

•   Luke (3:38) Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God.

It's obvious that Christians do not follow their books but they follow their own desires.


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The understanding of Christians are that human look like all three Gods as the outer appearance is direct copy them.

however the behaviour of God are not like man.

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God said in Quran that Christians and Jews know that Mohamed is the Prophet of God and Quran is the Holy Book of God as they know their own children, but they refuse to believe because they are arrogant.

God said in Isaiah that His servant will GROW UP in a DRY LAND. Jesus grew up in Nazareth which is a VERY fertile land (with many gardens). While Mohamed grew up in Makkah (Saudi Arabia) which is a desert e.g. dry land.

•   Isaiah (53-2) He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

Also, God said that His servant will sing a song of praise to God from the EASTERN border of Egypt which is Saudi Arabia where Mohamed came from. But Jesus came from Nazareth which is the NORTH of Egypt.

Kedar is the son of Ishmael. Kedar lived near the eastern border of Egypt which is Saudi Arabia. God said that His servant will sing a song of praise to God in the city where Kedar lived, which is Saudi Arabia.

•   Genesis (25:13) These are the names of the sons of Ishmael…then Kedar…

•   Genesis (25:18) [Ishmael] His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt, as you go toward Ashur…

•   Isaiah (42:10-12) Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth…let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice

Do Christians need a magnifier to see these SUPER CRYSTAL CLEAR verses to understand that God was talking about another man other than Jesus? Christians and Jews know all of these facts but they don’t want to believe because they don’t want to follow Mohamed who is an Arab man because they are arrogant and think that they are superior to Arabs.

 

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