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Assalam alykam this is a challenge by a christian
Challenge to all muslims on planet earth including, apologists, scholars, and allah himself!
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed. (Sahin Muslim ,Book #043, Hadith #7182)
1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? It is like saying that evil spirits repent and become godly especially when jinns are devils(Sahih Muslim Book #039, Hadith #6757), of course this is nonsense and cannot happen. Did they recite the Shahada? If yes then prove your point with reference. If there is no reference then allah is a liar because NO ONE can become a muslim unless he recites the Shahada.
2- What about the muslim jinns? Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies? Prove your claims with reference. If not then allah is lying again because everything that is worshiped besides allah will be in hell, Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come. If these had been gods they would not have come thither, but all will abide therein. 21:98-99
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Conclusion: Since Quran says that anyone who becomes a muslim will go to paradise and have sex with houris and since Quran also says that those whom worshiped(21:98-99) will be in hell.
If we use Quranic standard then we find a clear contradiction because Jinns "became muslims" and they were "still worshiped ". In another sense Jinns cannot have sex with houris and burn in hell "AT THE SAME TIME".
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I need a really good response for this because the person is gloating big time
like he is the man and
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Assalam alykam this is a challenge by a christian
Challenge to all muslims on planet earth including, apologists, scholars, and allah himself!
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed. (Sahin Muslim ,Book #043, Hadith #7182)
1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? It is like saying that evil spirits repent and become godly especially when jinns are devils(Sahih Muslim Book #039, Hadith #6757), of course this is nonsense and cannot happen. Did they recite the Shahada? If yes then prove your point with reference. If there is no reference then allah is a liar because NO ONE can become a muslim unless he recites the Shahada.
2- What about the muslim jinns? Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies? Prove your claims with reference. If not then allah is lying again because everything that is worshiped besides allah will be in hell, Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come. If these had been gods they would not have come thither, but all will abide therein. 21:98-99
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Conclusion: Since Quran says that anyone who becomes a muslim will go to paradise and have sex with houris and since Quran also says that those whom worshiped(21:98-99) will be in hell.
If we use Quranic standard then we find a clear contradiction because Jinns "became muslims" and they were "still worshiped ". In another sense Jinns cannot have sex with houris and burn in hell "AT THE SAME TIME".
Reply exactly like this :PPP
Oh no! U have exposed Islam!! U are the great genius!! Ow Em Giii :D
Anyway...
Go read chapter 72 in the quran named Surat Al-Jinn if you're so interested in "learning" anyway. :)
('There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).) So, are they all "devils"? :)
Who says Jinns are just "spirits"? What is your claim that they can't have physical bodies? The only thing, I know, is that Jinss can disguise themselves and are unseen to us. I don't think they can be seen, or if they can be seen, I don't think they show their "true" body.
Anyway, I bet u're the one that claims a man is God, right? Or better yet, he is his own son? Or no, a better saying; "He created everything including himself, just to "die" for YOUR sin." And he is also "The Living God" "Lord" Son of God" "Son of Man" "Mediator, a man, for humankind" "Servent of God" "Lamb of God"...
Who entitles a Man so much contradictory titles anyway? Yeah, naive christians :P
And for the sex part, what is so hard to understand? Maybe they will have "physical" bodies, maybe they will be spirits? Maybe spirits can have sexual intercourse too, but not like men? They are created out of fire, we out of mud. This doesn't mean they are a walking flame, and we are a walking mud? How does mud have sex? :)
Let us ask you a question.
IS jesus god? Is jesus the son of god? Or is jesus the messiah?
Is jesus equal to God in the Godhead Bodily? Is he equal to the holy ghost/spirit? Are they all equal? Or is one more equal?
(Nor I am apologist or scholar, just a simple man, having limited knowledge of quran. I'm pretty sure better answers are on their way so wait for them.)
Aleykum Es selaam.
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1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? I
2- Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies?
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Talking about the unseen activities, the Holy Spirit did not appear in physical form but the spirit simply fruit divine seed inside the womb of Mary to create a flesh for the Word whom later will be known as Jesus.
So in actual fact Jesus is Son of the Holy Spirit. But since Holy Spirit is equal to Father the Creator whom has equal status under Godhead to all 3 entitties and equal to Word who is Jesus himself. Jesus is actually Son of Himself.
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1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? I
2- Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies?
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Talking about the unseen activities, the Holy Spirit did not appear in physical form but the spirit simply fruit divine seed inside the womb of Mary to create a flesh for the Word whom later will be known as Jesus.
So in actual fact Jesus is Son of the Holy Spirit. But since Holy Spirit is equal to Father the Creator whom has equal status under Godhead to all 3 entitties and equal to Word who is Jesus himself. Jesus is actually Son of Himself.
Are you serious that Jesus, God (Father the creator) and Holy spirit are equal??
(KJV)
Matthew 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven according to the bible. But not to the Holy Ghost.
This makes the Holy Ghost "above" the Son of Man... according to bible...
Authors of the NT most of time claim such as: jews said: xxx.
They are writing what jews are saying, if jesus said these, why is there NO such speech in the bible where jesus is directly quoted?
Bring me a verse from the bible where jesus says:
I'm equal to god and the spirit. a direct quote of him.
(I think I understood you wrong :D I thought u were a christian claiming something about the holy ghost etc)