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Title: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on June 03, 2015, 07:17:05 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: nivera79 on June 06, 2015, 06:33:55 AM
As salam 3likum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
Here you do have lots of information about people of Thamud, Petra, nabateans.. http://www.harunyahya.com/en/books/904/Perished-Nations/chapter/3295/Thamud--
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 05, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
As salam 3likum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
Here you do have lots of information about people of Thamud, Petra, nabateans.. http://www.harunyahya.com/en/books/904/Perished-Nations/chapter/3295/Thamud--

That's why i will never read Harun Yahya again.

Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 05, 2015, 11:25:48 AM
According to UNESCO vestiges in Mada'in Saleh and Petra date from the Nabatean kingdom ( 312 BCE-1st century AD), while according to Hadiths the site of Al-Hijr had already been inhabited by the 3rd millennium BC by Thamud.

Why did Prophet Muhammad say that do not enter but weepingly (the habitations) of these people, when all the vestiges were built by Nabateans? The question was raised by a missionary and I certainly don't have any answer.
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 05, 2015, 11:26:18 AM
I would request brother Osama to shed some light on this one please!
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: submit on July 06, 2015, 01:22:08 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 02:04:48 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 09:49:34 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: submit on July 06, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
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The question remains, where are Thamud's vestiges?

It might be at the exact same place or different. For ancient civilization in desert, they shall revolve around source of water. And if the source of water still exist, the location may still attract inhabitants even millenias later.

This is the 2000 b.c civilization rock carving in egypt.
(http://www.diggingsonline.com/pages/rese/books/comment/benihasan01.jpg)

For Thamud's carving on mountains being 1000 years older than egypt one, the carvings may have withered much
 
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 11:19:22 AM
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The question remains, where are Thamud's vestiges?

It might be at the exact same place or different. For ancient civilization in desert, they shall revolve around source of water. And if the source of water still exist, the location may still attract inhabitants even millenias later.

This is the 2000 b.c civilization rock carving in egypt.
(http://www.diggingsonline.com/pages/rese/books/comment/benihasan01.jpg)

For Thamud's carving on mountains being 1000 years older than egypt one, the carvings may have withered much


But Al-Hijr is not in Egypt and water was still there in Al-Hijr.

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar (ra):
I bartered my property in Khaibar to 'Uthman (chief of the faithful believers) for his property in Al-Wadi(Qura). When we finished the deal, I left immediately and got out of his house lest he should cancel the deal, for the tradition was that they buyer and the seller had the option of canceling the bargain unless they separated. When out deal was completed, I came to know that I have been unfair to 'Uthman, for by selling him my land I caused him to be in a land of Thamud, at a distance of three days journey from Al-Madina, while he made me neared to Al-Madina, at a distance of three days journey from my former land.

 Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "When the Messenger of Allah went to the area of Al-Hijr in Tabuk with the people, he camped near the homes of Thamud, in Al-Hijr and the people brought water from the wells that Thamud used before.
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 11:25:58 AM
Notwithstanding, Nabatean were nomads, were just like the gypsy traders roaming the rest of the world. So how did they manage to build such a magnificent city cut out of solid rock? Moreover, how could they have become such excellent town planners and carving niches and doorways into solid rock faces? Jordanian government says these mysterious people have left no written records of their times.

That's the biggest load of bull i have ever heard since the evolution story. What if the Nabateans didn't build Petra?
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
They attribute these baalbeks in Lebanon to Romans, even though Romans didn't build it, neither they had the men power.

(http://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/baalbek-temple-lebanon-destructions-stones-.jpg)
(http://www.habeeb.com/images/lebanon.baalbeck.007.jupiter.columns.jpg)


These are the megalith structures in Peru that archaeologists falsely attribute to Inca civilization. Look at the size of the rocks. Anybody in their right mind can see that average human beings just don't have the strength to build this kind of fortress.
(https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/103267/380914/f/3557613-The-megaliths-of-Saqsayhuaman-0.jpg)


Everybody looks like ants. They are telling us that nomads of 5 to 6 foot in height carve niches and doorways into solid rock faces using chisels.
(http://www.harunyahya.com/image/truth_life_world/petra.jpg)
(http://www.escapeartistes.com//wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Petra-Monastery-Door.jpg)


There's something really fishy here, i think they are deliberately attributing it to Nabateans .
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 06, 2015, 11:55:43 AM
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The question remains, where are Thamud's vestiges?

It might be at the exact same place or different. For ancient civilization in desert, they shall revolve around source of water. And if the source of water still exist, the location may still attract inhabitants even millenias later.

For Thamud's carving on mountains being 1000 years older than egypt one, the carvings may have withered much

This might be of interest to you:
Archaeologists are still trying to unravel the history of the Nabataeans, which in large remains unknown. Just how they managed to make the rapid conversion from a Nomadic tribe to the builders of great cities is mind-blowing, and has led some to doubt whether they were in fact the original creators of these great cities and monuments. 


http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/oldest-arabic-inscription-provides-missing-link-between-nabatean-and-arabic-writing
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: nivera79 on July 07, 2015, 08:56:31 PM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 08, 2015, 06:08:18 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 08, 2015, 06:09:57 AM
Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 08, 2015, 06:16:08 AM
What Harun Yahya says:
http://www.harunyahya.com/tr/works/3442/Prophets-names-appear-in-the-ebla-tablets-1500-years-older-than-the-torah

What Ebla Tablets actually say:
The supposed Eblaite connections with the Bible is now widely deplored as unsubstantiated,[1][2] The studies on Ebla focus on the civilization of the city.[1] The controversy cooled after much scholarly conflict as well as what some described as interference by the Syrian authorities on political grounds.[29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebla-Biblical_controversy


No mention of Prophet Ibrahim and Ismael or Sodom and Gomorrah in Ebla Tablets. The guy is a serial bull*******.




Title: Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
Post by: Sam663 on July 08, 2015, 06:27:47 AM