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They claim that Allah SWT is a devil who deceived us and that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a falso prophet and claI'm that the Bible has a prophecy which predicts Islam. HELP! ANYONE PLEASE!!
https://carlosmdiaz.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/the-most-awful-name-in-allahs-sight-sahih-al-bukhari-bk-73-num-224/
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From what I understand, the "King of kings" as mentioned in 1 Timothy 6:13-15 is God "the father" but the same term is apparently used for Jesus (in Revelations 19:13-16)
As-Salam Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,
Dear brother AhmadFarooq, the passage of Revelations 19:11-16 does not refers to Jesus (pbuh), but rather to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Yes, he is described in a specific way indeed, but according to my research this is the same figure mentioned in Isaiah 49:2 identified as the Servant of God. The fact of using these untypical phrases alone indicates that it is about the same person. In my detailed work concerning the prophecies about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Bible, I'am proving that this Servant of God [Isaiah 42; Isaiah 53 etc.] is none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
I will insha'Allah respond on this article, when I get a free time.
Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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W/slam,
Okay, thanks for the correction.
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Jesus never declare himself to be King of Kings; one of the title/attribute belonging to Yhwh.
But rather the Hellenistic authors that believe in God appearing as human on earth wrote such description about Jesus in their Greek stories.
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Thanks brothers. :)
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As'salamu Alaikum everyone,
The link in the first post quotes the Hadith as follows:
"Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings)"
That is a wrong translation. The correct one is: King of all possessions. AMLAK means possessions. And yes, no one owns anything. Allah Almighty ALONE owns All.
As to Prophet Muhammad's Prophethood, he was thoroughly prophesied in the old Scriptures. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
Also, visit the following link to see the overwhelming and STUNNING Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Brother can you refute this also?
http://www.endtime.com/islam/
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What's to refute? It's rubbish that is full of desperate interpretations. The Bible THOROUGHLY speaks about the Glory of GOD Almighty coming from Arabia (the East). And GOD Almighty's new Covenant and new Servant will also come from there:
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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How does it prove that the Bible is corrupt? Also, what I want a refutation of is the claim that "Allah hates the King of the Kings and the King of the kings is Jesus. And in the Bible it says that the King of the Kings is going to put the false prophet (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) and the devil (Allah SWT) in hell."
Also, regarding the second link that I have you, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arab_colors
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it's really simple , devil will tell you that the good is evil , i give just a 4 opposite differences to tell us who is the devil .
1- the naked person on the beach or the respectable person everywhere? Adam and Eve PBUH were putting heaven leaves to cover their things not the opposite , this is the real human nature the respectable one , Islam came to have them under control and to prevent chaos of happening, now the bad is having the good under control and preventing the order of god of happening, theirs are the real crooked opposite nature of humanity and primitive status. all of that bad and evil to the world caused by Romans polytheism Catholicism . but their puppeteers are really good in balancing it on evil scales and brainwash all that it is the good scale are the heavier one , imposters worx.
70% of atheist are ex-Christians.
howgoodisthat.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/majority-of-atheists-are-ex-christians-with-a-university-education/
2- do you prefer who makes mistakes and solve their mistakes with more mistakes ? or who prevent mistakes of happening? , they made gays by their Christianity academic life that delayed marriage for who couldn't find a girl friend, and adopted them by liberty state and married them in churches. they are the causes of illegitimate child and broken families , they dealt with it by mothers day(not enough) , they made orphans places for illegitimate and made all pays for it, they causes you cancers and makes you pay for it medicines , they feed you cancer food and selling you drugs and alcohol and makes you pay for it and for it medicines , they pollute air , they nuked test, they nuked japan , they made the woman and man unnatural, they left uranium radiations in Iraq and afghan, they are real imposters and know when to back a step and back-stab .
3- they made their religious men not getting married and produced more gays and they did little boys in the churches and loving dates in there. or the people that pray in mosque and having peace with each others and leave in peace. ?
4- their wars are genocides , Islam wars are battles .
.....etc and lots of opposite differences try to figure it out by yourself.
they are just using issa PBUH name and unmarried status of his , as they praised Elijah for not doing so , using this for making gays , this really work of imposters, as Persians are using ALI name and makes him and his family gods to kill monotheists. Islam is being fought from all directions.
7-17"then I shall come on them from before them and from behind them, from their right hands and their left hands; Thou wilt not find most of them thankful.'"
they wanna makes Sodom and amoura to the whole world so god will close the page of all humanity together.
this is not bible is what they got . no comparable . they are a people who wanna makes their genitals happy for a period of time and spending their life on lusts and earth fascinations, where Jesus said in their bible that my kingdom is not from this world, but you can see that their heaven is by doing crooked habits in this world .
15-39"Iblis said, "Lord, because you have caused me to go astray, I shall make earthly things attractive to (people) and mislead all of them"
so they made every bad things possible, and encourages you to do it by their crooked life style that they imported it and marketed it to the all nations, covering their mistakes , blaming it on anothers , solve their mistakes with more mistakes and makes you pays for it. this came by roman Christianity which is the way to atheism and human portrait(devil) nature. they are only troubles makers . they are the real Zionists.
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I don't think there is any way that the "false prophet" title from the Bible can be inserted for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). As I mentioned before, the Bible claims, in Revelations 19:19-21, that this false prophet will be fought by Jesus. As Prophet Muhammad has left this Earth and, unlike Jesus, is not coming back therefore, there is no way that Jesus is going to be doing any fighting with Prophet Muhammad.
Regarding the other "arguments", why are you giving so much importance to the Book which is known to have been corrupted? If the Bible claims that Jesus is the "king of kings", it does not make him the king of kings. Similar is the case for the horse colours.
Additionally, one of the earliest interpretations of the white horse rider, by Irenaeus, an influential Christian theologian of the 2nd century, holds that this rider is Jesus himself. Others hold that this rider is the Holy Ghost.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse)
Moreover, Revelation 6:1-8 talk about how these four horses were let loose by Jesus himself. Does it make sense to you that the four horses that Jesus let out presumably at the very beginning of the first century CE, were going to wait 700 years and in the case of the Fatmid Caliphate (the green "horse") 900 years. Because of this reason most of the interpretations for these verses take them to indicate things which happened in the beginning of the Christian calender. Either these are related to something obvious like the Roman empire of those times and its trials and tribulations; or something symbolic like injustice and such things continuing in the world from that time.
The interpretation you cite is a minority opinion.
"American Protestant Evangelical interpreters regularly see ways in which the horsemen, and Revelation in general, speak to contemporary events. Some who believe Revelation applies to modern times can interpret the horses based on various ways their colors are used. Red, for example, often represents Communism, the white horse and rider with a crown representing Catholicism, Black has been used as a symbol of Capitalism, while Green represents the rise of Islam. Pastor Irvin Baxter Jr. of Endtime Ministries espouses such a belief."
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse)
This is an extremely fallacious methodology. Let's look briefly at what the Bible says about these horses.
The white horse (according to Revelation 6:1-2), when the seal was broken by Jesus in first century CE, "went out conquering and to conquer." Muslims came 600 years later, so how could this possibly be talking about Islam? Similarly, the other three horses also came out along with him, 600 years before the introduction of Islam. According to the text, these horses were to start their work soon after they came out, why the 600 year wait?
The pale horse (according to Revelation 6:7-8) was to kill "with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth". Again, where is the relationship with Islam? As far as I know, the only empire known for killing with "wild beasts" as a national past-time was the roman empire. Additionally, sexual promiscuity, something Muslims are famous for staying away from, has been known to be a cause of some forms of "pestilence".
Additionally, it can also be argued, that the four horses came out in the order of White, Red, Black and then finally Green; while the order of the introduction of Pan-Arab colours can be construed as Black, White, Green and Red somewhere in-between which is another point that appears to go against the Biblical "prophecy", if you can even call these text as prophecies in the first place.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arab_colors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arab_colors)
The fact is, unless these four horsemen are interpreted to be exactly what they appear to be in the Biblical text, in which case they can have nothing to do with Islam as they predate the religion by 600 years, several extremely different interpretations can be made and by providing very little, if any, authentic supporting evidence, these insincere people can bend the verses to reach their desired conclusions.
Regards,
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As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,
In Revelation 19:15 there is a very specific detail which can describes only one person! I mean the fragment "A sharp sword comes out of his mouth to strike down the nations." The same detail - in a little bit different language - was ascribed to the Servant of God in Isaiah 49:2 which says in the beginnig: "He made my mouth like a sharp sword" Now, my question to those who are saying that the one who ride the white horse from Revelation 19:11-16 is Jesus:
"Why this particular detail can be found only in the Book of Isaiah as a reference to the Servant of God, and in Revelation as a reference to the figure riding white horse ?"
Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,
Please visit the following link to see the ample Biblical passages about the Glory of GOD Almighty will come from the East:
www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
In there, you will also find a link that gives ample references about Islam in the book of Revelation.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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And dear brother Idris, according to Islam, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did ride the WHITE HORSE, BURAQ (Muslims with other dialects call it Barac, which is where the name Barack Obama comes from), to travel from Mecca to Jerusalem. The Hadiths also say that the Prophet ascended up to Heaven on the White Horse and came down.
For more information, visit:
www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=prophet+muhammad%27s+white+horse+buraq
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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How does it prove that the Bible is corrupt? Also, what I want a refutation of is the claim that "Allah hates the King of the Kings and the King of the kings is Jesus.
in the link http://www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htm
you can see even the bible made clear revelations that Jewish scribes made up false stories in their own scrolls. And hence the reason many prophets were sent to the tribes of israel to guide them to true path.
King of Kings is a title for Babylon king in jewish books.
In Hellenistic greek books, the greek authors made the title belonging to Jesus.
In Islam title of king of kings cant be applied to His creations.
And the teachings of Islam has influenced the Jews as well where the title king of kings belonging only to Yhwh.
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As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,
some of you might say: "then who is the lamb from Revelation if not Jesus (pbuh)" ? Again, this lamb is connected with the Servant of God (see Isaiah 60:19-20). Man, what a surprise heh ? 8)
If someone will find similar details, post it here and motivate our Muslim brothers and sister to do their own research.
Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,
some of you might say: "then who is the lamb from Revelation if not Jesus (pbuh)" ? Again, this lamb is connected with the Servant of God (see Isaiah 60:19-20). Man, what a surprise heh ? 8)
If someone will find similar details, post it here and motivate our Muslim brothers and sister to do their own research.
Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
Sorry I didn't mention which verses: compare Revelation 21:23 with Isaiah 60:19-20. and many others detail explicitely shows that the lamb and the rider on the white horse is the Servant of God which is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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King of Kings is a title for Babylon king in jewish books.
And the teachings of Islam has influenced the Jews as well where the title king of kings belonging only to Yhwh.
From where did you taken this information ? Brother submit, do you have some reference note to this claim ? I would require it in my study.
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Dear brother Idris
You said that you research on prophecies of Prophet Muhammad in the bible. Do you actually write articles on your work and publish them online. If so can you provide the links.
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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Assalamun Alaikum dear brother Idris
Isaiah 49:3 says "thou art my servant, Israel". It doesn't speak of Prophet Muhammad. From what I've heard Isaiah 29 and 42 only speak of Prophet Muhammad. Where am I going wrong? Please help
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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Assalamun Alaikum brother Idris
Does the same thing apply for Isaiah 60 and 62?
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Assalamun alaikum dear brother Idris
I checked about the Four Servant Songs. It is also called the songs of the suffering servant. According to some sites it says that it refers to the Messiah and some say that it refers to Jesus Christ. But how does it refer to Prophet Muhammad? And what does suffering servant mean?
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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Wa aleikum, a-Salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,
I don't know in what manner you are asking ? I did not analyzed passages of Isaiah 60, 62, but I encourage you to do your own research. If you are interested in Old Testament studies, then it is advisable that you should learn Hebrew, since without it you could be easily refuted by any person influent in Hebrew.
As to the Four Servant Songs, only Isaiah 52:13-53:12 has been identified as a "Suffering Servant". Early Jewish tradition from 200-500 A.D. apply this to the Messiah, but obviously they did not meant Jesus pbuh, since they have already rejected him. I personally do not understand this weird Jewish view of many messiahs. If there were indeed many messiahs, Allah would mentioned other than Jesus (pbuh). Even from the hadith, we do not heard of any Messiah beside Jesus (pbuh), so I think that, since Jews had such a powerful Kings like David (pbuh), after Babylonian exile, they started dreaming about a perfect Kingly Messiah, who will be a king, a priest, and a warrior-prophet, and who will be a saviour to them. When Jesus (pbuh) came, they were deeply disappointed, because he was weak, he did not like to fight, nor had some special authority etc. and after his ascension, they still have this weird idea about a Kingly Messiah (ironically even Muslims sometimes are forced to use it when they want to refer to Prophet Muhammad pbuh as a last of many messiahs). Therefore, I think that this whole concept about many messiahs - Royal and Priestly Messiah - is merely a Jewish joke, a wishful thinking, a pious hope... In other words, if it would be true, I 'am sure that Allah or Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) would have spoke at least one phrase about other messiah - or anointed one - than Jesus (pbuh), but we have nothing, thus it is a Jewish invention !
As to the Suffering Servant from Isaiah 52:13-53:12 it does apply in many ways, but I did not finished my work on this, and it is in early stage of research, but there are some striking allusions which proves that the section of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 is - or was - originally a description of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), and Allah knows best!
Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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Assalamun Alaikum dear brother Idris
I actually thought that Isaiah 59:20 where it says that the "redeemer shall come unto Zion" and Isaiah 62:3 where it says that "Thou shalt be a crown of glory" is talking about the same servant. That is what I meant.
I was actually going through your previous posts and found some interesting facts. In one of your previous posts you said that the name Ahmed existed in Isaiah in the Armenian Bible. If you could actually prove that then the whole book of Isaiah is almost dedicated to Prophet Muhammad. If the servant songs referred to the same person and Prophet Muhammad's name existed there then the entire song is about him.
It cannot refer to Christ since Prophet Muhammad suffered far more than him. Christ suffered Three years of persecution while Prophet Muhammad suffered 13 years. So who is the suffering servant? The answer now is almost obvious!
Your works are highly scholarly and professional. Keep up the good work brother Idris
Thank you
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Assalamun alaikum dear brother Idris
I have one more doubt. How do we know that the "Zion" mentioned in Isaiah is not literally the Zion in Jerusalem. How do you know it refers to the Holy city of Mecca?
My other question is that if Prophet Muhammad fulfilled most of the messianic prophecies then why is Jesus Christ called the Messiah in Islam. Did he do anything special to gain the title? We know that he only came to confirm the law and the gospel and give glad tidings of a messenger to come after him. And we also know that he didn't liberate the jews from the Roman Empire. Then why was he given this title?
Thank you
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Dear brother Idris
Do you know what the seven seals is in the book of revelations? Is it related to the sealed scripture in Isaiah? And in the book of revelations it speaks of a New Jerusalem? What exactly is New Jerusalem in Islam?
Thank you
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I think personally New Jerusalem is refering to Jerusalem under muslim rule since we innovated it and bought alot of stuff in it.
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Assalamun alaikum
I actually thought that New Jerusalem was the Holy city of Mecca.
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The New Covenant that is promised in the Torah includes both the Messiah and Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon them. They both compliment and complete each other. It is not one on the expense of the other. The Torah is filled with Prophesies about the two great Prophets:
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
The Bibles all greatly support that the Messiah was never crucified. He was saved:
www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm