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Assalamun Alaikum
I was recently doing some research on the Gospel of Barnabas. Most of the sources online say that it is a 16th century fraud done by some random Muslim. Is this true or can somebody in this forum refute this?
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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No it isnt,since the Gospel of Barnabas was carbon dated,and text dated back to 1500 years ago,before the Prophet,and the language in it is not arabic therefore,it isnt false but a very very authentic scripture of the ebionites,The christians do anything to protect their faith so yeaah..
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Asalam ul laykum brothers, the discovery was of 16th century or so. However, the work os translated to italian then translated to engliah, arabic and urdu, far as i know. The people qho reject this doscovery try to use many techniques to disprove it's legitmacy, i admit some of the issue to sound as though that do not correspond with quran. However when looked at with "microscopic lens" you can see it very well corresponds with the quran.
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Assalamun Alaikum
Do you have any article that proves it is 1500 years old? If so could you please provide the links.
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Mohamed Saif
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html
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Asalam ul laykum brothers. If anyone wants to read the Gospel of Barnabas, it is available here: http://barnabas.net/
Also refer to my other thread in regards to the answering-islam team's so called "contradictions between quran and gospel of barnabas" argument. I found a webpage where a brother named Adeel, refuted the answering-islam team's claims.
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i have read Gospel of Barnbas twice, i think this is not forgery even though i could see some mistakes, and these mistakes tell me this is not forgery beacuse muslims would not write like that, muhammed is messiah and jesus is not messiah etc
And even if it was forgery still it is more far far more logical text than this bible which christians have today.
what i like is jesus khutbas in this gospel, about death, paradise, judgment day hell, very intresting stuff.
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I think it is somewhat hagiographical....
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i Think i have best explanation when it comes to gospel of barnbas.
First, gospel of barnbas is not a book of God, it is barnabas memories written down in a book. So if a person write stuff from the memory, of course he will make mistakes, so those mistakes in barnabas gospel is proof that it is not forgery but actually proof that it is not forgery, beacuse if someone claim it was muslims who wrote it, then muslims cant lie, that is terrible sin, second if they wanted to match with islam they would not do such obvious errors.
So errors could arrive when person try to remember what he experienced long ago, and then start to write, and it is in human nature to make errors.
221: Jesus Chargeth Barnabas to Write
Jesus turned himself to him who writes, and said: "Barnabas, see that by all means you write my gospel concerning all that has happened through my dwelling in the world. And write in a similar manner that which has befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived, and every one may believe the truth." Then answered he who writes: "I will do so, if God wills, O Master; but I do not know what happened to Judas, for I did not see it."
Jesus answered: "Here are John and Peter who saw everything, and they will tell you all that has passed." And then Jesus commanded us to call his faithful disciples [so] that they might see him. So James and John called together the seven disciples with Nicodemus and Joseph, and many others of the seventy-two, and they ate with Jesus.
The third day Jesus said: "Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there I will ascend again to heaven, and you will see who shall bear me up." So they all went there except twenty-five of the seventy-two disciples, who for fear had fled to Damascus. And as they all stood in prayer, at midday Jesus came with a great multitude of angels who were praising God: and the splendour of his face made them greatly afraid and they fell with their faces to the ground. But Jesus lifted them up, comforting them, and saying: "Do not be afraid, I am your master."
And he reproved many who believed that he had died and risen again, saying: "Do you hold me and God for liars? I said to you that God has granted to me to live almost to the end of the world. Truly I say to you, I did not die; it was Judas the traitor. Beware, for Satan will make every effort to deceive you. Be my witnesses in Israel, and throughout the world, of all things that you have heard and seen."
And having said this, he prayed God for the salvation of the faithful, and the conversion of sinners and [then], his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: "Peace be to you, my mother. Rest in God who created you and me." And having said this, he turned to his disciples, saying: "May God's grace and mercy be with you." Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven.
so barnbas wrote this book according to his memories and what other discples told him and remember to have happened.
and we all know, people can't remember Everything, that is why errors could have emergaed in this bible.
For me, at first errors proves this is not forgery, beacuse no muslim would ever say muhammed is messiah and jesus not messiah, or other stuff which contradict qur'an.
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Asalam ul laykum brothers. Brother dawud as u mentioned some contridictions, i mentioned in a different theead with answers to the supposed contridictions in bible of barnabas.
Brother Dawud i used to think these were contridictions to, but the article i posted at thread which link i posted below, shows that bible of barnabas doesn't have contridictions in regards to think that it mentions that compare with quran.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2521.msg11572.html#msg11572
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Asalam ul laykum brothers. Brother dawud as u mentioned some contridictions, i mentioned in a different theead with answers to the supposed contridictions in bible of barnabas.
Brother Dawud i used to think these were contridictions to, but the article i posted at thread which link i posted below, shows that bible of barnabas doesn't have contridictions in regards to think that it mentions that compare with quran.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2521.msg11572.html#msg11572
for me these errors in gosepl of barnabas are proof that it is not forgery but real gosepl of barnabas, beacuse no muslim would lie and claim something against Qur'an.
But beacuse barnabas started to write gospel when jesus should depart the earth, these errors are product of human mistakes, and people cant remember everything, and gospel of barnabas is not book of God that there should not be errors in it, it is human book about event which occured during those days.
And not only that barnabad could write everyhing he even said he dont know everything, so jesus said to him other discples should help him in writing some parts.
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Asalam ul laykum brother dawud. Absolutely true. The work was not done by me, it was done some brother named Adeel. I do agree, that no muslim would lie about such a serious claim. When i read his work it did make alot of sense and did look like that he refutted what answering islam claimed.
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Assalamun alaikum
Jesus Christ says that "I'm not that Messiah which you expect" which indicates that there is another anointed one to come. According to the dead sea scrolls the jews expected not one but two Messiah's. One Messiah will be priestly and the other one will be a warrior. You can check it from the below link.
http://www.livius.org/articles/religion/messiah/messiah-9-two-messiahs/?
The Priestly Messiah was fulfilled by Jesus(PBUH) and the warrior Messiah was fulfilled by our beloved Prophet Muhammad.
According to Luke 9:21 Jesus(PBUH) strictly says not to tell anyone that he is the Messiah.
Mark 12, Matthew 22 and Luke 20 say that Messiah is not from David. According to chapter 12 of the book "Unveiling the Messiah in the dead sea scrolls " the Messiah is from Ismael.
Finally coming to the title "Son of Man" is none other than Prophet Muhammad and not Jesus. You can read more detail from the below link.
http://www.discoveringislam.org/kildani_chapter_16.htm
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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Assalamun alaikum
Jesus Christ says that "I'm not that Messiah which you expect" which indicates that there is another anointed one to come. According to the dead sea scrolls the jews expected not one but two Messiah's. One Messiah will be priestly and the other one will be a warrior. You can check it from the below link.
http://www.livius.org/articles/religion/messiah/messiah-9-two-messiahs/?
The Priestly Messiah was fulfilled by Jesus(PBUH) and the warrior Messiah was fulfilled by our beloved Prophet Muhammad.
According to Luke 9:21 Jesus(PBUH) strictly says not to tell anyone that he is the Messiah.
Mark 12, Matthew 22 and Luke 20 say that Messiah is not from David. According to chapter 12 of the book "Unveiling the Messiah in the dead sea scrolls " the Messiah is from Ismael.
Finally coming to the title "Son of Man" is none other than Prophet Muhammad and not Jesus. You can read more detail from the below link.
http://www.discoveringislam.org/kildani_chapter_16.htm
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
that was good , i did not know they waited for two Messiahs
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Assalamun Alaikum Dawud
They actually did wait for two Messiahs. If you read the prophecy of Daniel 9 it predicts our beloved Prophet Muhammad. He is called the Son of Man.
Even in the New Testament according to Bishop Keldani Jesus Christ used this title as referring to a third person. Christ says that the Son of Man will be coming from the East. In the Bible east is referred to the Arabs. Prophet Muhammad came from the Arab nation. Christ never claimed that title for himself. Christ maybe the son of man but not the "Son of Man" of Daniel 9 which the jews expected. Christ says that the Son of Man will come with the league of angels. It is very similar to the prophecy of Daniel 9. So from this we can see that Christ did not use the title for himself since Christ knew very well who the Son of Man is and Christ didn't fulfill the prophecy of Daniel 9.
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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Assalamun Alaikum Dawud
They actually did wait for two Messiahs. If you read the prophecy of Daniel 9 it predicts our beloved Prophet Muhammad. He is called the Son of Man.
Even in the New Testament according to Bishop Keldani Jesus Christ used this title as referring to a third person. Christ says that the Son of Man will be coming from the East. In the Bible east is referred to the Arabs. Prophet Muhammad came from the Arab nation. Christ never claimed that title for himself. Christ maybe the son of man but not the "Son of Man" of Daniel 9 which the jews expected. Christ says that the Son of Man will come with the league of angels. It is very similar to the prophecy of Daniel 9. So from this we can see that Christ did not use the title for himself since Christ knew very well who the Son of Man is and Christ didn't fulfill the prophecy of Daniel 9.
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
i have not seen convincing evidence that son of man efers to muhammad
lok this:
Luke 9:22 And he(jesus) said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
i dont think son of man refers to muhammad, according t obible it refers to jesus, but this is catastrophic error
why beacuse Jesus is not son of any man, he had no father, while title son of Man is linguistical contradiction if it refers to jesus since he had no father.
that is a problem which christians need to solve.
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Assalamun Alaikum dear brother Dawud
You asked a very good question. All your doubts will be answered here in the below site. Take your time and read it carefully. And your question regarding that the "Son of Man will suffer many things" is also answered in this site.
http://www.discoveringislam.org/kildani_chapter_16.htm
There are some places where Jesus Christ used that title to show his human nature. Then we all are Son of Man since we all have parents. But he was not the Son of Man which will come with the league of angels and destroy the Roman Empire.
Thank you
Mohamed Saif
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