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Hello, It's been a long time since the last time i have visited this site, anyway i am having a problem and i needed some help, every time someone asks a religious question, many atheists answer immediately. So i can't find any good refutation to what they say. To be honest i still didn't study evolution. But until that i won't just keep looking at their brainwashing answers, someone needs to stand! So if anyone has studied evolution and biology, please provide me a refutation to this claim "According to evolution, and natural selection. We do not need Designer, plus that Intelligent design contradicts evolution and natural selection" I'm looking forward to seeing your answers. Oh another thing, i have been learning English since the last month, and i'm still learning. So could anyone tell me if there're any errors in what i wrote. and thanks
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It is also important to note that the golden mean ratio exists in everything. This is a perfect design it cannot happen from a coincidence for it on its own would equal to billions of coincid nces because there are numerous examples of golden mean on a human body alone. This requires an intellect not coincidence.
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For basics:
http://amazingreligion.tumblr.com/post/74597355314/topics-related-to-evolution-neo-darwinism
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I wish i could get an answer for these questions, they always annoy me. I wonder if i am supposed to wait so long to get an answer.
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Where's brother Osama? He used to reply immediately to any question...
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Where's brother Osama? He used to reply immediately to any question...
Brother Osama is heading to the White House to throw a rotten tomato at Donald Trump.
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"Theistic evolution" is the concept that belief in theism and evolution do not necessarily have to contradict each other. It involves the arguments that religious scripture does not deny the theory of evolution (or at least some interpretations of it).
Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
Regarding evolution in case you haven't come across these explanations (which incidentally are arguments related to a limited extent to theistic evolution):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPuoGVlCjZ0
http://www.academia.edu/9806605/The_Appearance_of_Adam_from_the_Quranic_Perspective_-_Creation_or_Evolution
http://19.org/books/islamic-theory-of-evolution-shanavas/
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Sorry, but all these answers do not answer my question, my question is:
Since that Evolution and Natural selection both are based on coincidence, then how come there's a something called "Theistic Evolution" Does that mean Theistic Evolution rejects a part of Evolution and accepts a part? Also we are in the 21st century, and Scientists have found many evidence supporting Evolution, even theists Scientists accepted Evolution. I'm pretty confused, please help me. Oh also another thing, please do not post links, post only arguments. I'm looking forward to seeing your answers.
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Sorry, but all these answers do not answer my question, my question is:
Since that Evolution and Natural selection both are based on coincidence, then how come there's a something called "Theistic Evolution" Does that mean Theistic Evolution rejects a part of Evolution and accepts a part? Also we are in the 21st century, and Scientists have found many evidence supporting Evolution, even theists Scientists accepted Evolution. I'm pretty confused, please help me. Oh also another thing, please do not post links, post only arguments. I'm looking forward to seeing your answers.
The scientific evolution:
'change over time', 'descent with modification', or 'the change of allele frequencies of a population over time'.
This is well established, testable, falsifiable and provable.
Neo-Darwinism ( commonly called 'Evolution theory')
In order to find a solution to the failed darwin theory, the "Modern Synthetic Theory," or , Neo-Darwinism, was suggested at the end of the 1930s. Neo-Darwinism added mutations, which are distortions formed in the genes of living beings due to such external factors as radiation or replication errors, as the "cause of favorable variations" in addition to natural selection.
Today, the model that Darwinists espouse, despite their own awareness of its scientific invalidity, is neo-Darwinism. The theory maintains that millions of living beings formed as a result of a process whereby numerous complex organs of these organisms (e.g., ears, eyes, lungs, and wings) underwent "mutations," that is, genetic disorders. Yet, there is an outright scientific fact that totally undermines this theory: Mutations do not cause living beings to develop; on the contrary, they are mostly harmful.
"Evolution" according to neo-darwinian scenario:
'the idea that all life has descended from a single common ancestor over millions of years via a net gain in new genetic information'.
This is laughable Speculation; completely half baked, not testable, not falsifiable and not provable.
Fallacy of equivocation:
Atheists & Darwinists use undeniable examples of 'change over time' (variation) to prove 'the idea that all life has descended from a single common ancestor over millions of years via a net gain in new genetic information' (microbe-like-to-man evolution).
This inexcusable logic is called equivocation or the bait-and-switch fallacy, and occurs when someone changes the definition of a word halfway through an argument.
The supposed Evidence for Evolution is full of examples of 'change over time' as evidence for microbes-to-man evolution.
Evolution theory says that a single cell evolved, by 4 mechanisms, to all other creations. They didn't tell us how this supposed single cell created itself in the first place ;)
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Lacking of information does not disprove Evolution, evolution don't tell us about how life began on earth, From what i understood from your post is that you don't accept evolution, well you should be saying these to the 99% scientists (including theists scientists) who accept evolution. Plus that if you were able to disprove evolution, then noble prize is waiting for you, i am sure that if you go to any science forum, people will answer your question immediately.
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Assalam alaikum
Of course, we accept "scientific evolution" Did you ever read my post :D
Neo-darwinism is rejected because there is no evidence for it. Actually, they use examples of "scientific" evolution to prove "Neo-darwinism", revise my previous post.
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Assalam alaikum
Of course, we accept "scientific evolution" Did you ever read my post :D
Neo-darwinism is rejected because there is no evidence for it. Actually, they use examples of "scientific" evolution to prove "Neo-darwinism", revise my previous post.
Ahhh, my bad, sorry, at the moment i'm trying to speak English fluently, so forgive me if i did not understand what you mean, Would you mind telling how do they use examples of "scientific" evolution to prove "Neo-darwinism" in simple English? Also can you refute the claim "Evolution and natural selection disprove Intelligent design, and suggests that we do not need a Creator" and again sorry for being annoying, i am just trying to learn, also what do you think of my English? How good is it? Please be honest, and thanks.
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How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.
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How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.
Well, you should say this to Atheists, what you say isn't actually a real evidence, give me some examples about how evolution and natural selection proves that we needs a Creator, otherwise i'll wait for other members to answer. I do believe in God, but the problem is that Atheists always claim that Evolution contradicts Intelligent design and suggests that we do not need a Creator. I'm looking forward to your answer.
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How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.
Well, you should say this to Atheists, what you say isn't actually a real evidence, give me some examples about how evolution and natural selection proves that we needs a Creator, otherwise i'll wait for other members to answer. I do believe in God, but the problem is that Atheists always claim that Evolution contradicts Intelligent design and suggests that we do not need a Creator. I'm looking forward to your answer.
Assalam alaikum
Atheists claim:
1- A miracle happened (cell created itself..abiogenesis)...they don't believe in miracles ;)
2- This cell divided it self (we will bypass this too).
3- That divisions keep creating all creation over millions of years.
4- The "scientific" experiment should be "observable".
5 - No one observed their claim.
6- The claim is merely speculation based on similar DNA and anatomy.
7- This similarity is easily explained to us because our maker/Creator is the same ONE mighty God.
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Assalam alaikum
Atheists claim:
1- A miracle happened (cell created itself..abiogenesis)...they don't believe in miracles ;)
2- This cell divided it self (we will bypass this too).
3- That divisions keep creating all creation over millions of years.
4- The "scientific" experiment should be "observable".
5 - No one observed their claim.
6- The claim is merely speculation based on similar DNA and anatomy.
7- This similarity is easily explained to us because our maker/Creator is the same ONE mighty God.
Well,
1-Abiogenesis isn't proven, it's just a hypothesis, this hypothesis says that living things came from non-living things, which is ridiculous to believe, also i agree that many atheists believe in that thing
2-Umm....Can you give me an example? Did the first cell divide itself by accident? or how did it?
3-Well, what's wrong with that? Could you please make it more clear?
4-Well?
5-Not clear, i want an example
6-Not clear, i want an example
7-Not clear too, please give me an examples like how this living organism wouldn't be able to by accident, something like these examples
8-May i ask you a question? How much did you study evolution? How good are you in understanding it?
9-After responding to my questions, Could you please show how scientific evolution proves God
Sorry again for being annoying, i am just trying to learn, another thing, my dream is to become a prominent Muslim scholar and a famous scientist :), that's why i keep asking these consecutive questions.
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