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assalamu alaikum,
assalamu alaikum,
i had a question on 2 verses from the quran and their meaning.
verse 1: quran 21:17, sahih international: Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so. "
pickthall: If We had wished to find a pastime, We could have found it in Our presence - if We ever did.
???? ????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ???????????????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ??????????
Law aradna an nattakhitha lahwan laittakhathnahu min ladunna in kunna faAAileena
i wanted to ask what does this verse mean, and specificaly what does the word: ??????? or lahwan mean, i see many translations translating it as a pastime. Next i see a video from a christian arab on this verse claiming allah here is saying that if he intended to have a wife he could have taken one from the angels or from the hur, and with the evidences he brought:
muhsin khan: Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).
jalalayn: Had We desired to find some diversion that which provides diversion in the way of a partner or a child We would have found it with Ourselves from among the beautiful-eyed houris or angels were We to do so. But We did not do so thus We never desired it. source: http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=21&tAyahNo=17&tDisplay=yes&Languageid=2
ibn kathir: ???? ????? ? ?????? ? ??????? : ( ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ) ????? : ?????? ????? ??? ????? (this means that allah would have taken the women from the people of yemen) source: http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/katheer/sura21-aya17.html#katheer
qurtubi: ???? ????? : ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? : ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ???? ????? (this means that allah would have taken women from yemen) source: tafsir al qurtubi, http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/qortobi/sura21-aya17.html
al qurtubi also says that the meaning of ??????? or lahwan is a entertainment wife, he said: ???? - ???? : ????? ?????? ? ????? source tafsir al qurtubi: http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/qortobi/sura21-aya17.html
since my arabic is very bad and limited i didnt understand the following so if you could translate for me that would be great, qurtubi goes on and says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
what does this translate to?
so to conclude my question on this verse, is allah really saying that if he would take a wife for entertainment he would have done so from the angels, or the hur, or the people of yemen, why are so many great scholars like ibn katheer, jalalayn, qurtubi, muhsin khan all taking this opinion. And why would allah swt include this in his book, what is the purpose of revelation.
next verse.
verse 2:
quran 69:32, Then into a chain whose length is seventy cubits insert him."
????? ??? ?????????? ????????? ????????? ???????? ????????????
Thumma fee silsilatin tharAAuha sabAAoona thiraAAan faoslukoohu
the context of the verse starts around quran 69:25 and is speaking on disbelievers and this is one of the punishments given in 69:32, it says into a chain. What does this mean, so i went and looked at tafasir.
ibn kathir: (Then fasten him) "It will be entered into his buttocks and pulled out of his mouth. Then they will be arranged on this (chain) just like locusts are arranged on a stick that is being roasted.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "It will be ran into his behind until it is brought out of his two nostrils so he will not be able to stand on his two feet.'
tanwir al miqbas: (And then insert him in a chain) insert the chain in his anus and extract it from his mouth, and what remains of it turn it round his neck (whereof the length) and width (is seventy cubits) cubits of the angel; it is also said this means: 70 fathoms.
the qurtubi tafsir can be found here and since my arabic is bad i request someone to translate it for me, http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/qortobi/sura69-aya32.html
but i know it says the same thing about the anus, it says: ??????? ??? ????? : ????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? . ????? ????? . ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? . ???? : ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? . ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?????? . ??? ??? ??? : ???? ?? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?????? ?????? : ?? ??????? ? ??????? : ?? ? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????? : ??? ???? ?? ???? ? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? and still from my limited arabic and dictionaries i could find out he said the same thing about it entering through the anus
i also have another question with the ibn kathir tafsir, it says: (Then fasten him on a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits!) Ka`b Al-Ahbar said, "Every ring of it will be equal to the entire amount of iron found in this world.
how could this even fit in a human body?
but why would the creator of the universe allah swt, say something like this? a chain through the anus isnt this a little weird
jazakallah khair for the answers
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