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Title: Prophet Muhammad predicted Quranists
Post by: muslimforever2012 on September 22, 2017, 07:57:24 AM

Don't see why Quranists should reject this as well.
Title: Re: Prophet Muhammad predicted Quranists
Post by: QuranSearchCom on September 22, 2017, 06:25:18 PM
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

The Hadith says the following:

Narrated Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Beware! I have been given the Qur'an and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say: Keep to the Qur'an; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited. Beware! The domestic ass, beasts of prey with fangs, a find belonging to confederate, unless its owner does not want it, are not permissible to you If anyone comes to some people, they must entertain him, but if they do not, he has a right to mulct them to an amount equivalent to his entertainment.

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَهَّابِ بْنُ نَجْدَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَمْرِو بْنُ كَثِيرِ بْنِ دِينَارٍ، عَنْ حَرِيزِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي عَوْفٍ، عَنِ الْمِقْدَامِ بْنِ مَعْدِيكَرِبَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ أَلاَ إِنِّي أُوتِيتُ الْكِتَابَ وَمِثْلَهُ مَعَهُ أَلاَ يُوشِكُ رَجُلٌ شَبْعَانُ عَلَى أَرِيكَتِهِ يَقُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ بِهَذَا الْقُرْآنِ فَمَا وَجَدْتُمْ فِيهِ مِنْ حَلاَلٍ فَأَحِلُّوهُ وَمَا وَجَدْتُمْ فِيهِ مِنْ حَرَامٍ فَحَرِّمُوهُ أَلاَ لاَ يَحِلُّ لَكُمْ لَحْمُ الْحِمَارِ الأَهْلِيِّ وَلاَ كُلُّ ذِي نَابٍ مِنَ السَّبُعِ وَلاَ لُقَطَةُ مُعَاهِدٍ إِلاَّ أَنْ يَسْتَغْنِيَ عَنْهَا صَاحِبُهَا وَمَنْ نَزَلَ بِقَوْمٍ فَعَلَيْهِمْ أَنْ يَقْرُوهُ فَإِنْ لَمْ يَقْرُوهُ فَلَهُ أَنْ يُعْقِبَهُمْ بِمِثْلِ قِرَاهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Grade   : Sahih (Al-Albani)     صحيح   (الألباني)   حكم     :
Reference    : Sunan Abi Dawud 4604
In-book reference    : Book 42, Hadith 9
English translation    : Book 41, Hadith 4587

Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Halal and Haram Determination:

Of course what is prohibited in the Quran is 100% prohibited in Islam.  The Halal (lawful) and Haram (sinful) determination is certainly built on both the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  We need the Hadiths and the Sunnah to explain to us how to do the Halal and how to avoid the Haram.  The following four points are important to keep in mind:

1-  None of this, however, nullifies that if a Hadith is in direct clash with the Quran, then the hadith is a lie and a fabrication on the mouth of the Prophet:

2-  If the Hadith gives a Law that is not mentioned in the Glorious Quran, then we take the Hadith if it's authentic.  But we reject everything that is directly in contradiction with the Glorious Quran.  The Holy Quran is Islam's Miracle:

Invalid Argument:

3-  The Prophet's warning to his people may not really apply to us today no matter how you look at it.  The simple reason for this is that it is not about rejecting the Prophet's Commands.  It is rather about filtering out the fabrications from the genuine Hadiths.  So, a Muslim simply can't use the above Hadith's argument against other Muslims today if there is a dispute between Muslims about the authenticity of a certain Hadith.  This argument is simply invalid today.

There is also a possibility that the lone Hadith above is itself a fabrication.  It is very thin in its chain's authenticity, it is not among the popular Mutawatir Hadiths of the Prophet, where MANY people narrated them in all different sources.  This Hadith lacks all of this.  It is weak and very isolated.  Hardly anyone narrated it and hardly anyone even knew about it.  Those types of hadiths are easy to fabricate on the mouth of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, especially that Hadiths were officially compiled 300 years after the Prophet (

I say beware of them!

4-  If you have the Glorious Quran's Moral Code, which I have personally extracted 100s of them, and you use the Hadiths to clarify those that are not elaborated on enough in the Holy Quran, then what on GOD Almighty's earth do you need more??  Why are Muslims Hell bent on complicating Islam??

I asked a shia doofus once on Paltalk this question:

What is in my Islam today that is in conflict with the Islam that Ali and the rest of Ahlul Bayt followed?  As always, I received BS for answer.  Not direct reply.  The context was:

Why do shias raise "Labbayka ya Hussein" (We answer thee's call O Hussein) banners against other Muslims?  What is it that we Muslims today are in conflict with Ahlul Bayt's Islam that they followed and practiced, so that a shia should raise such banner against other Muslims?

No answer.  Just BS for answer you get from them.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: Prophet Muhammad predicted Quranists
Post by: muslimforever2012 on September 23, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
Jazakallah Osama for the explanation. I just found this image on Quora and felt like sharing.
Title: Re: Prophet Muhammad predicted Quranists
Post by: Sama on September 25, 2017, 01:25:20 PM
It's better to say "Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)"
Title: Re: Prophet Muhammad predicted Quranists
Post by: QuranSearchCom on September 25, 2017, 09:54:33 PM
As'salamu Alaikum,

I added "Prophet" to the titles above.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for the advise, dear brother Sama. 

And anytime, dear brother Muslimforever2012.  Jazaka Allah as well, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah