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Title: Trading stocks halal or haram?
Post by: dr.mister on March 11, 2020, 11:58:14 PM
as salamu alaykum my dear brothers and sisters,

I am a trader and thats how I earn my money. But sometimes I've doubts if is even permitted or not. I know its a thing between me and Allah, meaning its me who is held accountable.

So there are two things:

1. It‘s definitely not gambling in my eyes. There is a clear logic behind it and requires analysing, strategy and disciplin. It‘s a business, hence the name. Obviously you can just click on things randomly, but this way you will lose money.


2. You can decide the markets/businesses you trade. There are some that are haram (Porn, cigarettes etc). There are some that are allowed.


I guess its kinda a grey area, because my research showed me that.

How is your view on this?
Title: Re: Trading stocks halal or haram?
Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 12, 2020, 09:52:32 AM
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Welcome to the board.  May Allah Almighty continue to lead you to Islam.  Ameen.

As to your question, companies that directly sell sinful things should be avoided regardless of how rewarding they may be.  As to the other regular companies, such as Technology ones, pharmaceuticals and others, Muslims are divided regarding their stock market.  Some consider it a form of game of chance, usury and unlawful money.  Others consider it pure trading and investing.  If you do invest in the stock market, then I advise you to buy in a variety of companies and not just one company.

Dealing with banks can be costly to you.  Even the "Islamic banks" are not different from the others.  If you take a loan to buy a house, for example, you'll still end up paying it back 3 fold.  Dealing with banks in general is not usury to me, because you're dealing with a company, not an individual.  For example, if I lend you $1,000, then I am forbidden to require you to pay me back more than $1,000.  And if I forgive your debt altogether, especially if you're financially challenged, then it would be best for me:

‏2:280 وان كان ذو عسرة فنظرة الى ميسرة وان تصدقوا خير لكم ان كنتم تعلمون

[002:280]  If the debtor is in a difficulty, grant him time Till it is easy for him to repay. But if ye remit it by way of charity, that is best for you if ye only knew.


And if or when you give charity, do not scandalize people with it:

‏2:263 قول معروف ومغفرة خير من صدقة يتبعها اذى والله غني حليم
‏2:264 ياايها الذين امنوا لاتبطلوا صدقاتكم بالمن والاذى كالذي ينفق ماله رئاء الناس ولايؤمن بالله واليوم الاخر فمثله كمثل صفوان عليه تراب فاصابه وابل فتركه صلدا لايقدرون على شئ مما كسبوا والله لايهدي القوم الكافرين
‏2:265 ومثل الذين ينفقون اموالهم ابتغاء مرضاة الله وتثبيتا من انفسهم كمثل جنة بربوة اصابها وابل فاتت اكلها ضعفين فان لم يصبها وابل فطل والله بما تعملون بصير

[002:263]  Kind words and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. God is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing.

[002:264]  O ye who believe! cancel not your charity by reminders of your generosity or by injury,- like those who spend their substance to be seen of men, but believe neither in God nor in the Last Day. They are in parable like a hard, barren rock, on which is a little soil: on it falls heavy rain, which leaves it (Just) a bare stone. They will be able to do nothing with aught they have earned. And God guideth not those who reject faith.

[002:265]  And the likeness of those who spend their substance, seeking to please God and to strengthen their souls, is as a garden, high and fertile: heavy rain falls on it but makes it yield a double increase of harvest, and if it receives not Heavy rain, light moisture sufficeth it. God seeth well whatever ye do.

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm


However, if I have a company that makes money and pays for a variety of expenses (salaries, bills, losses, etc...), and you borrow from that company $1,000, then Islamically I am allowed to require you to pay back more than $1,000.  This is because you're dealing with a business, not an individual.

Islam prohibits us from being greedy animals.  Unfortunately today, however, we're living under the capitalist system of satan.  This is not to say communism and socialism are not satanic also (ex: your workers eventually become part-owners of your wealth).  So in my opinion, take it as it comes.  If you have to buy a house to grow a family, then do borrow money from the greedy banks.  If you have to borrow money to open a business, then do so.  Take it as it comes.  It is not your fault.  Just be wise and don't end up trapping yourself with too much debt:

"He has only forbidden you carrion, blood, and swine, and that which has been consecrated to any other than Allah. But who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. For Allah is Forgiving, Compassionate.  (The Glorious Quran, 2:173)"


I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Title: Re: Trading stocks halal or haram?
Post by: dr.mister on March 12, 2020, 10:31:57 AM
Thank you for the answer. May Allah reward you for the time you put into this site. Amin.


As to your question, companies that directly sell sinful things should be avoided regardless of how rewarding they may be.  As to the other regular companies, such as Technology ones, pharmaceuticals and others, Muslims are divided regarding their stock market.  Some consider it a form of game of chance, usury and unlawful money.  Others consider it pure trading and investing.
I'm definitely not trading sinnful things. I could, but thats definitely against the rules. I dont see it as a game of chance, I see it as a game of strategy. Sometimes I've luck to, but I dont rely on it. I rely on technical knowledge, analysing the market and logic. You cant predict the market. Thats why you use your knowledge to adapt to its circumstances. You wont have a 100% quote, but you dont need that to be successful. With a good managment of your potential risks you can make a good income with a quote of 40%. Its possible. I kinda like to compare it to the weather report, which also has no quote of 100% but most of the time its true. 


If you do invest in the stock market, then I advise you to buy in a variety of companies and not just one company.
Thats true, but to be honest it shouldnt be 10 or 20 different companies/markets. A small handful will do. You should know what you invest in.


This is not to say communism and socialism are not satanic also (ex: your workers eventually become part-owners of your wealth).  So in my opinion, take it as it comes.  If you have to buy a house to grow a family, then do borrow money from the greedy banks.  If you have to borrow money to open a business, then do so.  Take it as it comes.  It is not your fault.  Just be wise and don't end up trapping yourself with too much debt.
I'm not boworring money from banks though. I know its possible, some have options to trade the forex exchange for example, but I'm a privat investor. It's my own money I trade with. I'm not dependending on banks or need to borrow money.


Islam prohibits us from being greedy animals.
That's one of the things I'm always praying for. I see many in my age that would throw their money at the most useless things or drugs, alcohol etc. and I dont even want to know what they would do if the would have more money. I also know more money can lead to more haram things, so I hope Allah will protect me and will make me strong. I'm not saying I dont invest money for useless things once in a while, I definitely do, but I will say this: I save most of it and also spend some for charity.