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Title: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 07, 2020, 09:26:04 PM
I would like to say that this website said in one place that isma'eel a.s. is not the father of the Arabs but then in another place it said the Arabs descended from Kedar and Tema, who are the sons of isma'eel. Why is there this contradiction? I personally believe that Ishmael was the father of the Arabs but why does this website say that Ishmael was and was not the father of the Arabs? 🤔
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 08, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Give the links.  Arabs are not biological descendants of Ishmael.  They existed before him.  But he may be a metaphoric or symbolic one.
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 08, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
Alright it's fine I agree with you.
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 13, 2020, 11:47:00 PM
Wait :o. I’m pretty sure Muhammad PBUH descended from Ishmael, but Ishmael is not the father of all Arabs because Arabs existed before him. Didn’t Ishmael marry an Arab wife? This means that some Arabs did descend from him because of his wife. What do you think of this? 🤔
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 15, 2020, 03:32:39 PM
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Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 15, 2020, 03:45:54 PM
https//www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.answering-christianity.com/ishmael_not_arabs_father.htm&ved=2ahUKEwjyicyrjtDqAhVhmuAKHTjdDC8QFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw31g8nbPBHkgmbIansFkC8R&cshid=1594845487797 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.answering-christianity.com/ishmael_not_arabs_father.htm&ved=2ahUKEwjyicyrjtDqAhVhmuAKHTjdDC8QFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw31g8nbPBHkgmbIansFkC8R&cshid=1594845487797)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.answering-christianity.com/&ved=2ahUKEwjOiNj3jtDqAhWhhOAKHZEfBmsQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0ImAYlDZhfOdc6B4bBLI6K&cshid=1594845759391 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.answering-christianity.com/&ved=2ahUKEwjOiNj3jtDqAhWhhOAKHZEfBmsQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0ImAYlDZhfOdc6B4bBLI6K&cshid=1594845759391)


In the second link you have to scroll down and you'll see that you said Muhammad came from the tribe of Tema who is Abraham's son which contradicts the first link so....
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 16, 2020, 02:27:11 AM
Your second link takes me to the website's main page.  Why are you giving the URL to my website in this way?  Don't you have a direct link to a specific article?  You can post the text of where it says that.

I never made that claim.
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 16, 2020, 02:33:23 AM
Are you talking about this quote that I quoted:

"Moses was a lawgiver, and promulgated a new code; so did Mahomed.  Jesus, on the contrary, declared he was not come to abrogate but to "fulfill the law;" and declared that "not a jot or little of the law should pass away until all these things were fulfilled."  The Christian heresies have, by their laxity and corruption, subverted the decent observances of the law, and introduced a heathen license; but Islam confirms and fulfills this prophecy and ordinance completely.... But the still greater light to be brought by Mahomed is now to be foretold.  At Isi. c. 21, v. 13-15 the Hegira is predicted.  "In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge ye travelling companies of Dedanim"  The whole of the tribe of Dedan, to which Obeidollah and many other distinguished Mussulman fathers belonged, emigrated to Medina, leaving their houses in Mecca locked up.  "The inhabitants of the land of Tema (the name of a son of Ishmael, and the name of the tribe to which the Prophet's father-in-law Abueka belonged) brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled."  The part of the Hijaz in which Medina is situated is called Tema to-day, doubtless from the tribe of Tema.  The whole of the twenty-eighth of Isaiah is a prophecy of the mission of Mahomed and of Islam as the 'mighty and strong one,' and 'the overflowing scourge.' * * * And here also the peculiar mode in which the Koran was revealed, and the personal characteristics of the Prophet, are quite literally depicted. * * *"
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 16, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
Sorry here is the link where you said the prophet is coming from iahmael: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://answering-christianity.com/ishmael_great_nation.htm&ved=2ahUKEwivvoiOxdLqAhXtguAKHeHCCGUQFjAAegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw1Q-qgwiraWyU4Lvsj2AI7z&cshid=1594928912009 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://answering-christianity.com/ishmael_great_nation.htm&ved=2ahUKEwivvoiOxdLqAhXtguAKHeHCCGUQFjAAegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw1Q-qgwiraWyU4Lvsj2AI7z&cshid=1594928912009)
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 18, 2020, 03:40:14 PM
I'm waiting...
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 19, 2020, 03:08:07 PM
All fixed.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for bringing up the articles.
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 19, 2020, 04:19:32 PM
Sorry for bothering you but I still see that the article supports that the Arabs are descendants of ishmael. I just saw that you just removed the claim of Arabs being the descendants on the beginning points of the article but deeper into the article it says that the Arabs are descendants of ishmael. Perhaps you should say in your article, "Arabs are the great nation prophesized in the bible and they are symbolic descendants of ishmael (not literal). Once again, sorry I'm keep on bothering you for this.
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 19, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
All fixed.  Jazaka Allah Khayr, for bringing it to my attention, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: Ishmael
Post by: رُوْحُ الْقُدُسُ Holy Spi on July 19, 2020, 11:02:13 PM
Thanks!