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Assalam alykam  I thought  Allah spoke to  Musa directly??

also in Jewish tradition  Allah spoke to Musa  directly through a burning bush an angel was also present

Exodus 3 New International Version (NIV)

Moses and the Burning Bush
3 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”

4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.”

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Assalam alykam 

an Islamic critic has asked me

If The angel that visited Muhammad was from the all knowing God

why did he ask Muhammad to read

wouldn't he have known  that Muhammad could not read??

can you please give something to respond

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Assalam alykam  anti Islamic retard has said the following .............

Although I have already proven beyond a reasonable doubt in over 30 assorted chapters that Allah is most definitely NOT the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, nonetheless I believe it is also rewarding to disprove Muhammad's alleged revelations from another point of view.

As usual, I shall use the very Arabic sources to disprove and demolish Muhammad's one sided assertions that the Quran was revealed to him - second hand - by the angel Gabriel over the incredibly long period of 23 years.

Believers and unbelievers please compare this UNGODLY lengthy period with God's revelation of the Ten Commandments and the Torah DIRECTLY to Moses in 40 days and nights. Already, one should be aware that something is wrong.

Let me start with the most momentous event in Muhammad's life, his alleged first encounter with an unidentified creature.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.111        Narrated by Aisha
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship (Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights.

The angel came to him in (Hira) and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read."
(The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore.
He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said,

"Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created; created man from a clot…."              Al Alaq (96.1)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija (his first wife) and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me."

Ladies and gentlemen please be aware that in this Hadith, there is no mention of who the character that so terrified Muhammad is. There is no mention of the angel Gabriel.

Let us together examine this crucial Hadith since this momentous event was presumably the start of Muhammad's mission in life; to bring Islam (submission to Allah) to his pagan Arabs.

The creature who appeared to him terrified him. The creature did not introduce himself. He demanded with physical violence that Muhammad should read without actually specifying what he should be reading.

The creature was not making a mistake since he repeated his demand three times each of which he accompanied it with physical violence.

Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy.

If Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, how is it possible that he did not know that Muhammad was ILLITERATE? After all, according to Muhammadan Muslim belief, Gabriel was only following Allah's instructions to the letter. Is it not blasphemy to imply that the all knowing Allah - if Allah is God - made such a colossal error?

Adding insult to injury, why would Gabriel demand from Muhammad to read without showing him what to read in the first place? How was Muhammad supposed to read something that did not exist?

Some Muhammadans trying to circumvent this inglorious Hadith by insinuating that Gabriel did not ask Muhammad to READ but to RECITE.

Let us take them at their word and ask them the following questions:
But Gabriel did not indicate or reveal a verse to Muhammad to recite in the first place, did he?

Moreover, Muhammad's answer 'I cannot RECITE' would then be an utterly stupid one would it not, especially since he was not deaf or dumb? How is it possible that Muhammad, the most perfect male human being could not recite (repeat after Gabriel)?

Muhammad's logical reply should have been "What should I recite?"  - especially since Gabriel had not told Muhammad what to repeat after him - and hence his answer should most assuredly not have been " I cannot recite"!

Hence the corollary from all the above is that the word READ is what is meant and most definitely not RECITE.

Now let us look at the encounters by Gabriel with others as mentioned in the New Testament.

Luke 1: 11 " Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 18 Zechariah asked the angel, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years." 19 The angel said to him, "I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news…."

Luke 1: 26 "In the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus… "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" 35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you…. 38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May your word to me be fulfilled." Then the angel left her."

Mathew 1: 20 " But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"

In every single case above, Gabriel introduced himself and did not cause Zechariah or Miriam undue fear unlike his terrifying encounter with Muhammad.

Even the Quran does not connect Gabriel to the first revelation in Al Alaq 96.1 above.

The Quran mentions the name Gabriel in only the three following verses~

Al Baqara 2: 97 "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for he brings down the(revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. 98 Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles to Gabriel and Michael Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject faith…"

Al Tahrim 66: 4 "If ye two turn in repentance to Him your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him truly Allah is his Protector and Gabriel and (every) righteous one among those who believe and furthermore the angels will back (him) up"

There is no direct and unambiguous connection between the first verse of alleged revelation and these verses. There is no mention of the encounter nor the name of the Hira cave anywhere in the Quran.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429        Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief....."

According to this Hadith, the most perfect male that has ever been created, as his followers assert to humanity, was actually so full of sin and lack of belief, that an angel had to operate on him removing sin and unbelief.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.266        Narrated by Aisha
Allah's Apostle said, "O 'Aisha! This is Gabriel sending his greetings to you." I said, "Peace, and Allah's Mercy be on him (Gabriel). You see what we do not see." (She was addressing Allah's Apostle).

Dear readers please be aware that what humanity has regarding Muhammad's alleged encounters with Gabriel are the sole product and assertions of one man Muhammad, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated and un witnessed by any of his closest companions or most intimate wives. 1500 million followers of Muhammad are brainwashed into believing the unverified words of a Pathological liar called Muhammad.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.579        Narrated by Abu Dharr
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), "Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?" He said, "Yes, even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Believers and Unbelieving Kuffar, how can anything so vile be considered Godly?

It is then not surprising at all that Muslim clerics convert inmates of prisons so easily, since these criminals are allowed free reign in criminality as long as they believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is his messenger.

Based entirely on the very Arabic scriptures of Muhammadan Islam showing how Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist and Vile are Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna and Sharia, it is more than obvious that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad by SATAN pretending to be Gabriel. After all, Muhammad did fall for the alleged Satanic Verses that we know about.

In conclusion, based on 780 chapters, 295 audio videos and over 100 talk shows, either Satan revealed the Quran to Muhammad or that the secretions of Muhammad's mind created the text - with Muhammad's torrent of Made to Order revelations - of the Quran but cleverly projected it into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah - the NAME of the supreme god of 360 stone deities of Pagan Arabia - to give it the aura of sanctity and divinity.

Either way demonstrates the Quran's ungodliness.

Ladies and gentlemen, Believers and Unbelievers let me tell you a secret that has escaped the intellect of the followers of Muhammad for the last 1400 years as well as the intellect of the so called experts on Islam from both East and West:

That it is as if by divine Justice/ Haq Ilahi and or divine Will/ Qidra Ilahiyyah, that the very Hadiths that explain to the followers of Muhammad his Quran and Sunna are the very same that utterly discredit Muhammad as a prophet and his Quran's alleged divine origin!

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Assalam alykam  christians claim that Muhammad never spoke to angel gabriel


they say the angel never introduced him self to Muhammad

is there any hadith where   Gabriel says I am gabriel ??? ive looked but cant find

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Assalam alykam

When Muhammad first began receiving revelation he thought to be from Allah, it was the angel Gabriel who brought Allah's message to him. Or so at least that's what Muhamamd thought. But was it actually Gabriel?

Let's see what Muhammad's initial encounter with Gabriel was like, and discover what emotional state this encounter left Muhammad. Two traditions (hadith) provide essentially the same story with slight variances.

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301

There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself.

Bukhari, Book 1, Volume 1, Hadith 3

The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.
 
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me."
Two questions arise from Muhammad's encounter with Gabriel. Why did a visitation with a messenger from God leave Muhammad in a state of panic and complete fear? Why would a messenger from God physically assault Muhammad?

Let's contrast Muhammad's encounter with Gabriel to biblical encounters with Gabriel to see if there are any similarities or differences.

Daniel had an encounter with Gabriel, who was showing him a vision of end times. In Daniel 8:15-17 we read:

When I, Daniel, had seen the vision, I sought to understand it. And behold, there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, and it called, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” So he came near where I stood. And when he came, I was frightened and fell on my face. But he said to me, “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.

Notice Daniel was initially frightened and fell on his face. But immediately Gabriel spoke words of comfort to ease Daniel's fears and to help him understand what he was seeing. And Gabriel did not attack Daniel physically in order to make him understand.

We see two encounters with Gabriel in the New Testament. The first is found in Luke 1:13 where Gabriel announces to Zacharias and Elizabeth the coming birth of John the Baptist.

But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.

Another very similar encounter is documented a few verses later in Luke 1:26-30 when Gabriel announces the coming birth of Jesus to Joseph and Mary.

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!” But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.

In both of these encounters recorded in Luke we see something markedly different than the encounter Muhammad experienced. Rather then leaving Elizabeth and Mary in a state of fear, Gabriel assured and comforted them by telling them "Do not be afraid." And again Gabriel did not physically assault either Elizabeth or Mary in order to make his point.

Are we seeing an entirely different Gabriel than the one who visited Muhammad? Or asked another way, did Muhammad actually encounter Gabriel, or was it an imposter posing as Gabriel? What sort of being would instill in Muhammad a feeling of dread and utter fear? What sort of being would assault Muhammad physically?

The answer can be found in the earliest biography of Muhammad, written a mere 130 years after his death.

Ibn Ishaq records Muhammad was concerned he might be demonically possessed. He was so disturbed by this possibility that three times he threatened to commit suicide by jumping off the mountain side, and three times he was stopped by someone claiming to be Gabriel.

So I read it, and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was as though these words were written on my heart. Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed—Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying, "O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel." I raised my head towards heaven to see (who was speaking), and lo, Gabriel in the form of a man with feet astride the horizon, saying, "O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel." I stood gazing at him, and that turned me from my purpose moving neither forward nor backward; then I began to turn my face away from him, but towards whatever region of the sky I looked, I saw him as before. And I continued standing there, neither advancing nor turning back, until Khadlja sent her messengers in search of me and they gained the high ground above Mecca and returned to her while I was standing in the same place; then he parted from me and I from him, returning to my family. And I came to Khadija and sat by her thigh and drew close to her. She said, "O Abii'l-Qasim,2 where hast thou been ? By God, I sent my messen­gers in search of thee, and they reached the high ground above Mecca and returned to me." I said to her, "Woe is me poet or possessed."

Was Muhammad inspired by a demon rather than God?

The Qur'an stands in opposition to nearly every Biblical doctrine. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not crucified, did not rise from the dead to conquer death, man is saved on the basis of doing more good than bad, Jesus was not God but merely a prophet and not even the most significant prophet, God does not love everyone unconditionally, and the list goes on. Who would have authored a book that stands against everything God said in the Bible?

According to the Bible, it is Satan who stands in opposition to everything God said. In the Garden of Eden, he cause Eve to become confused and succumb to temptation by questioning God: "Has God really said ...". At the start of Jesus' ministry, Satan tempted Jesus in the same way. Satan was cast out of heaven for an issue of pride, wanting to be like God himself. For that rebellion against God, he and a third of the angelic host were cast down to earth, where Satan now tries to mislead as many as possible from following God.

The Qur'an stands in opposition to God. Satan operates in opposition to God. Muhammad thought he might have encountered a demonic spirit. Does anyone notice a connection here?

Yes, I believe Muhammad likely was influenced by demonic forces. I believe the Qur'an is inspired by Satan himself. I do not believe Muhammad was visited by the angel Gabriel of the Bible but by Satan masquerading as Gabriel. The puzzle pieces all fit together. This is the only logical conclusion, given the evidence.

Which brings us to the final question. Muslims friend, what are you going to do? Who are you going to follow? Where will you spend eternity? Are you willing to risk an eternity in hell? You now have the evidence you need to make a wise choice. God will hold you accountable for what you know. You cannot claim ignorance.

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another spastic christian said the following

What a joke....the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic - that's not about languages, but about hiding the truth. If people understood the Qur'an, they'd reject Islam in a heartbeat. And certainly, most Muslims in this group cannot answer questions about verses in the Qur'an...which makes me wonder what they are here to debate! You don't know...we can't know because we "can't understand it"...meanwhile, you want everyone to convert to Islam. People are even forced to do so, so what are they converting to? No one really knows, except maybe the scholars who usually have their own agenda....it's like the early days of Catholicism, when Catholics were not permitted to read the Bible. God wants everyone to know His Word. He keeps no secrets. Obviously, this Allah has lots of secrets.

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Assalam alykam

I said

"when the Quran is translated it is so profound there must have been good reason why god chose to use the Arabic language with it's richness and diversity of meaning based upon the context to reveal his last book to give this profound meanings and express them"

he said
So the ancient Arabic fertility god, Allah, chose to reveal Himself in a language that less than 5% of the world speaks? Makes sense to me.

In other words, it's a repeat of the 1st question, worded a little differently.

ALSO, this nonsense about richness of language can apply to MANY different languages. Greek and Hebrew can also fit the bill very nicely.

When did Jesus come? In the fullness of time.

Galatians 4

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

GOD/YHWH chose the right time in History to reveal the Incarnation of Yashua Messiah.

1. The Pax Romana
2. The crossroads of the world, the middle east, and the center of the middle east, ISRAEL.
3. Common language, Greek. A much richer and deeper language than the crude arabic.

Roman had conquered politically and militarily, throughout most of the civilized world Roman law and peace were enforced.

Greece had conquered culturally, the common or KOINE Greek was spoken by MANY people, regardless of their ethnic origins. Greek was the trade language.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Two Pharaohs who crucified?
« on: May 15, 2015, 10:59:37 AM »
THE BELOW IS FROM SOME ANTI ISLAMIC SPASTIC CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME REFUTE HIS STUPID CLAIMS

Various passages tell the story that Pharaoh's sorcerers believe in the signs and message of Moses, and then Pharaoh tries to threaten them with these words (Shakir's translation):

I will certainly cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then will I crucify you all together. [Surah 7:124]
Said he: You believe in him before I give you permission; most surely he is the chief of you who taught you the magic, so you shall know: certainly I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and certainly I will crucify you all. [Surah 26:49]

In the story of Joseph, about 400 years earlier we also read of another crucifixion in this passage:

O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified, so that the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which you inquired. [Surah 12:41]
We have, however, no record that Egyptians used crucifixion as punishment in the time of Moses (1450 BC, conservative date; 1200 BC at the latest) or even Joseph (1880 BC, conservative date). Crucifixion only becomes a punishment much later in history and then first in another culture before it has been taken over by the Egyptians. Such threats by a Pharaoh at these times are historically inaccurate.

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Assalam alykam I need a full rebuttal to this  and need to show  the person the verses in their true context


A CHRISTIAN SAID THE FOLLOWING
The teachings of Paul vs the teachings of Yashua Messiah/Jesus
Alive in Christ
Jesus
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes," (John 5:21).
 
Paul
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive," (1 Cor. 15:22).
 
Anxiety
Jesus
"For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?" (Matt. 6:25).
 
Paul
"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God," (Phil. 4:6).
 
Atonement
Jesus
"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep," (John 10:11)
 
Paul
"and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma," (Eph. 5:2).
 
Deity of Jesus
Jesus
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am," (John 8:58). Compare with Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "I AM has sent me to you."
 
Paul
"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). See also, Phil. 2:5-8.
 
Forgiveness
Jesus
"For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you," (Matt. 6:14).
 
Paul
"And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you," (Eph. 4:32).
 
Jesus is the only way
Jesus
"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6).
 
Paul
"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).
 
Justification by faith
Jesus
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life," (John 5:24). See also John 3:16-18; Luke 18:9-13.
 
Paul
"Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
 
Law, the
Jesus
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).
 
Paul
"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law," (Rom. 3:31).
"What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise," (Gal. 3:17).
 
Law, living the
Jesus
"You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself," (Matt. 19:18-19).
 
Paul
"Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law," (Rom. 13:8-10)
 
Predestination
Jesus
"Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given," (Matt. 19:11).
"All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).
"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day," (John 6:44).
"For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father," (John 6:65).
 
Paul
"He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will . . . 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:5, 11).
 
Resurrection
Jesus
"The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; 23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day," (Matt. 17:22-23).
 
Paul
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Cor. 15:3-4).
 
Rewards and Punishment
Jesus
"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds," (Matt. 16:27).
 
Paul
"who will render to every man according to his deeds," (Rom. 2:6).
 
Sinfulness of man
Jesus
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man," (Matt. 15:19-20).
 
Paul
"There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one," (Rom. 3:11-12).
 
Tradition
Jesus
"And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3).
 
Paul
"See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).
 
Works Righteousness denied
Jesus
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness," (Matt. 7:22-23).
 
Paul
"Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith," (Gal. 3:11).
Modify message

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Assalam alykam 

A christian i am debating brought this to the debate


proving Jesus is God

Psalm 31:5
Into your hands I commit my spirit; deliver me, LORD, my faithful God.

AND....
Acts 7-59
While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."



how do I explain why stephen called on Jesus ????

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Assalam alykam I need a full rebuttal to this  and need to show  the person the verses in their true context


A CHRISTIAN SAID THE FOLLOWING
The teachings of Paul vs the teachings of Yashua Messiah/Jesus
Alive in Christ
Jesus
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes," (John 5:21).
 
Paul
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive," (1 Cor. 15:22).
 
Anxiety
Jesus
"For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?" (Matt. 6:25).
 
Paul
"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God," (Phil. 4:6).
 
Atonement
Jesus
"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep," (John 10:11)
 
Paul
"and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma," (Eph. 5:2).
 
Deity of Jesus
Jesus
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am," (John 8:58). Compare with Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "I AM has sent me to you."
 
Paul
"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). See also, Phil. 2:5-8.
 
Forgiveness
Jesus
"For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you," (Matt. 6:14).
 
Paul
"And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you," (Eph. 4:32).
 
Jesus is the only way
Jesus
"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6).
 
Paul
"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).
 
Justification by faith
Jesus
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life," (John 5:24). See also John 3:16-18; Luke 18:9-13.
 
Paul
"Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
 
Law, the
Jesus
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).
 
Paul
"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law," (Rom. 3:31).
"What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise," (Gal. 3:17).
 
Law, living the
Jesus
"You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself," (Matt. 19:18-19).
 
Paul
"Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law," (Rom. 13:8-10)
 
Predestination
Jesus
"Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given," (Matt. 19:11).
"All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).
"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day," (John 6:44).
"For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father," (John 6:65).
 
Paul
"He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will . . . 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:5, 11).
 
Resurrection
Jesus
"The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; 23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day," (Matt. 17:22-23).
 
Paul
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Cor. 15:3-4).
 
Rewards and Punishment
Jesus
"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds," (Matt. 16:27).
 
Paul
"who will render to every man according to his deeds," (Rom. 2:6).
 
Sinfulness of man
Jesus
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man," (Matt. 15:19-20).
 
Paul
"There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one," (Rom. 3:11-12).
 
Tradition
Jesus
"And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3).
 
Paul
"See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).
 
Works Righteousness denied
Jesus
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness," (Matt. 7:22-23).
 
Paul
"Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith," (Gal. 3:11).

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Assalam alykam

Da'ees  you are needed to debate the hardest christians  I have ever come across

here is the page  https://www.facebook.com/groups/1420502991517980/?ref=ts&fref=ts


May Allah help us all and guide us all ameen 

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how is  all   your  debating going

have you  come  across   dona O'Neil
 Marcia buza..    Christos Terzis,  Enzo cambell?


May Allah guied us all Ameen

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Assaalam alykam

this debate group are very hard they know their deen and wont budge

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1420502991517980/

may Allah guide us to give the best of Dawah and turn their hearts to Islam

ameen

may Allah guide us all Ameen

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Assalam alykam bro Tahmeed  do you have a facebook account
 I am on  a christian debate page and i.really need your help


ill add you to it when    i add you on my FB      i get ganged up on there with no muslims supporting

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