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Not all, just the American government. They've enslaved, tortured, abused, and drove out of the government produced history text books anyone who was not a fat white Catholic man.
They're now after the Abrahamic religions..
Christianity - Hitler used the iron cross and said he was carrying out God's work
Judaism - Israel driving Palestinians out of their homes and literally 'redrawing the map'
Islam - Al-Qaeda

Now here's something that will really screw up your mind: America funded Hitler throughout the entire WWII, they funded Al-Qaeda (operation Cyclone), and they're funding Israel. It's not about religion, it's about $$$$$$
Took everything from the Native Americans, who work at casinos today. I bet Columbus was also paid.

"Isn't most of the American Government christian?"
That's what they WANT you to believe. They were Deists and Atheists..

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Don't say "No Bin Laden" because America gave Bin Laden 6 bill from 1989 to 1992. Religion was used as an excuse.
Don't say "No Holocaust" because America sponsored the 3rd Reich and was spoonfeeding Hitler throughout the entire WWII. Hitler used religion as an excuse to recruit Nazis. Hindu swastika, Iron cross, etc.
Don't say "No homeless Palestinians" because America is breastfeeding Israel, this will really keep the war going for a while. They just misinterpreted the bible and made the Jews think their messiah will return them Israel. They STILL believe they will get Israel back. Again, ruled by a higher power (the Zionists).
The CIA trained terrorists look it up on BBC.
Whenever the US stops funding someone, they mysteriously die (Hitler's suicide leaving only a blown skull, Bin Laden's death and body thrown in the ocean, etc.)

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Yup. They funded Hitler throughout the entire WWII, they funded Al-Qaeda (Operation Cyclone), and are currently funding Israel. But there's one thing to note though. People always say: "That was in the past!".

America hasn't changed. When America stopped funding Hitler, he commit suicide. When America stopped funding Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden died. It seems that whenever America stops breastfeeding someone with their billions, they automatically die.

ONE MORE THING:

PROPAGANDA. When they were paying Hitler, they never told any American about the Holocaust. When they were funding Al-Qaeda, they never revealed it to the public until when Bin Laden was almost dead and they could dub a tape of him and say it was proof he did 9/11. Right now, they admit to funding Israel, but they say that Palestinians are the terrorists!. Wake up before it's too late!

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" I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives"
(Felipe Andres Coronel)

In fact, BBC, Fox News, etc, you know, the big guys, they reported the collapse of the towers 20 minutes before it happened. The underdogs of the media, the unpopular channels, all reported that "the third explosion caused the collapse"

More here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQfL-KYpoyI

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Rebuttals & Polemics / Reponse to creation.com
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:05:12 PM »
This website is clearly a joke!

I would start by quoting this:

     (Quran 6.133) Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if He wishes, can discard you and succeed you with whatever He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan.

Other translations:

And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.

That's right, Allah creates how he wills!

The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).
This verse says that if God wishes He can make our descendents nonhuman just like our ancestors.

In conclusion, Adam & Eve were indeed created in Paradise from nothing however their coming down to Earth is a totally different story.

Genesis is mythology!

According to Genesis, the Earth was made in 6 Earth rotation days.  Man was created on Earth, in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). Look what they wrote!
"No clear details of each creation day. Some vague clustering of the days in 41:9–12"
Excuse me, plants before the sun is not clear details. Btw, the chronological order of the Qur'an is not official, it was compiled by humans after all. However, every word of it has been the same.

The age of the Earth and the universe in the bible is literally 6,000 years old.
- Jesus Christ was born 77 generations after Adam, which is a period of approximately 4,000 years (Luke 3:23-38).

- Jesus Christ was born approximately 2,000 years ago.

- Therefore Adam was born approximately 6,000 years ago.

- Adam was born at the beginning of the Creation, according to Jesus Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4.

- The whole Universe was therefore also created approximately 6,000 years ago.

However, in the Qur'an, time is relative. That's right, the Earth was created in two youms, and the universe in six. Youms is not a literal 24 hour day, but a relative period of time. Is the age of the Earth one third of the age of the universe? Yes. The age of the Earth and the universe in the bible is messed up!

Let this scientific bullshittery speak for itself:
 Man and the animals were created vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30). No death and suffering in the original creation. Since plants were made way later, everything would've died.

 Carnivory (and thus death and suffering) apparently integral to life on the created Earth from the first. The Koran (6:142, 16:5, 40:79) says that cattle were created for man to eat.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / All terrorists are Muslim!
« on: February 07, 2013, 10:46:35 AM »
...except for the 96% that aren't.

How many U.S civilians have been killed by Muslims since 9/11?
ZERO.

If Br. Osama Abdullah and the many eye witnesses who said the "WTC came down like it was a pack of explosives" are correct, and denying the 1% possibility that Muslims did 9/11, Muslims have killed ZERO U.S civilians for the last thirty years. Without 9/11, Bush had no excuse to declare the war of terror. How many people died in the wars justified by 9/11? 2,500,000!
Source: The FBI website http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05



What about the rest of the world? Muslims account for 0.4% of global terrorism according to a Europol report.
For 2007:



2006:



For 2008:



(According to the report, there was 1 “Islamist attack” in the UK in 2008, which was omitted in the table above.  It has been included in the bar graph below.)

Just glancing at those tables is enough to know how absurd it is to claim that “all terrorists are Muslims.”  That statement is nowhere near the truth.  If we compile the data, it comes out to this:



Source: http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2009.pdf

On p.7, the 2009 Europol report concludes:

    Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, despite the fact that the EU only faced one Islamist terrorist attack in 2008.  This bomb attack took place in the UK…Separatist terrorism remains the terrorism area which affects the EU most. This includes Basque separatist terrorism in Spain and France, and Corsican terrorism in France…Past contacts between ETA and the FARC illustrate the fact that also separatist terrorist organizations seek cooperation partners outside the EU on the basis of common interests.  In the UK, dissident Irish republican groups, principally the RIRA and the CIRA, and other paramilitary groups may continue to engage in crime and violence.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / A question for Quransearchcom
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:44:41 PM »
Have you found the Qur'an yet? It's bugging me seeing you are searching for the Quran everywhere. Even your youtube page is named "Quransearchcom" as in Quran Search Company. Even here we see you are looking for the lost Quran.

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Professed Muslim, meaning even if one says he is a Muslim, but he is not, you can still not call him a kaafir as an instruction here:

Quran 4:94 - ...Do not accuse anyone who claims himself to be a Muslim of disbelief just for worldly gains.

But let's say they ARE in fact, polytheists. Can we call them names?

Do not say crude words to those who call upon other than Allah, lest they use crude words about Allah in revenge without knowledge. As such we have made the actions of each nation seem pleasing. To their Lord they shall return, and He will inform them of that they were doing. ‌[6:108]

 Volume 8, Book 73, Number 125d:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "If a man says to his brother, O Kafir (disbeliever)!' Then surely one of them is such. "

Calling another Muslim a kaafir has been listed by scholars as The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

"Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.'' (Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); see Arabic-Urdu edition cited earlier, vol. ii, p. 213. See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that by which he entered into it [i.e. the Kalima].'' (Majma` az-Zawa'id, vol. i, p. 43)

In the hadith Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna, edition published by Quran Mahal, Karachi, vol. iii, p. 484)

 Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.'' (Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.'' (Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)

"And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.'' (Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)

 "He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.'' (Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)

 He said: "Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)

"It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)

"A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)

"As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.'' (Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)

Allama Sayyid Jalal-ud-Din wrote: "The takfir of people of the Qibla is itself an act of unbelief.'' (Dala'il al-Masa'il)

Ibn Abu Hamra, a saint, wrote: "It has already been stated that the rule of the Ahl Sunna is that they do not call kafir, or consider as going to hell eternally, anyone who is of the people of the Qibla.''

"The Imams have made it clear that if there is any ground for not issuing takfir, a ruling of takfir should not be made, even if that ground is weak.'' (Raf al-ishtiba `an `ibarat al-ishtiba, p. 4, published in Egypt)

"Some prejudiced persons from the Asharis call the Hanbalis as kafir, and some Hanbalis call the Asharis as kafir. But their calling each other kafir is not right because the belief of the trustworthy Imams of the Hanafis, Shafi`is, Hanbalis, and the Asharis, is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Miftah Dar as-Sa`ada wa Misbak as-Sayyida, vol i, p. 46)

"The generality of the theologians and the jurists are agreed that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Al-Mawaqif, printed in Cairo, p. 600)

The famous eighteenth century saint of Delhi, Khawaja Mir Dard (d. 1785 C.E.), wrote: "We do not call kafir anyone of the people of the Qibla, even though he may be following falsehood or novel beliefs in most matters, because the acceptance of the oneness of God, and the affirmation of the prophethood of Muhammad, and the turning to the Qibla, do not expel them from faith as such. So he would be of those who follow later inventions and falsehood from among the Muslims. The Holy Prophet said: `Withhold in the matter of the people of the Qibla, that you do not call them kafir'.'' (Ilm al-Kitab, p. 75)...

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One note: The Qur'an doesn't say we descended from Adam.
Highlighted in blue are big bang theory verses, in red are evolutionary (abiogenesis) verses
 How?
Qur'an 32:7- And began the creation of man from [montmorillonite] clay
Qur'an 24:45 - Allah has created every [living] creature from water.
Qur'an 71:14 - He has created you in diverse and successive stages.
[Quran 41.11] Then He directed himself to the Heaven when it was [condensed in] smoke, and then said to it and to Earth: "Come willingly or by force" they said "We do come willingly"
[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
[Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
21:104 "The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat [universe going back to a singularity] it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it."
Note: This is based on the second law of thermodynamics.
The Qur'an: "Say: “Can any of your idols initiate creation, then revert it?” say “It is God who initiates the creation, and then reverts it. Then, how could you deviate?” (10:34)"
When a man becomes old he becomes just like a child, with age comes reversion and death.

Bonus, age of the universe and Earth:
 It told us the age of the Earth was one third the age of the universe. 4.53333333333 * 3 = 13.6. 13.6/13.75 = 98.91% accuracy.
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We see the Earth was created in two periods (youms):
Quran 41:9 "Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals?..."

...and the universe in six:
Your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then settled Himself firmly on the Throne... (Qur'an, 7:54)

How do we know that it's not talking about literally 6 days? Well because, we see throughout the entire Qur'an that time is relative.
God did not change the day's length, humans DEFINED it as 24 hours. But in the Qur'an, it's defined as a relative time period.
On that Day He will call you, and you will answer (His Call) with (words of) His Praise and Obedience, and you will think that you have stayed (in this world) but a little while! (Surat al-Isra, 52)

And on the Day when He shall gather them together, (it will seem to them) as if they had not tarried (on earth) longer than an hour of a day: they will recognise each other. (Surah Yunus, 45)

He will say: "What number of years did you stay on earth?" They will say: "We stayed a day or part of a day: but ask those who keep account." He will say: "You, stayed for only a little while – if you had only known!" (Surat al-Mumenoon, 112-114)

Yet they ask you to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Truly, a day in the sight of your Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. (Surat al-Hajj, 47)

The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day the measure of which is like fifty thousand years. (Surat al-Maarij, 4)

Then We drew (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the Cave, (so that they could not hear). Then We wakened them up so that We might know which of the two parties would best calculate the time that they had tarried. (Surat al-Kahf, 11-12)

Such (being their state), we roused them (from sleep), so that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have you stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed (perhaps) a day, or part of a day." (At length) they (all) said, "Allah (alone) knows best how long you have stayed here.... (Surat al-Kahf, 19)

Or (take) the instance of one who passing by a hamlet, all in ruins and quite desolate, said: "Oh! how shall Allah (ever) bring it to life, now that it is dead?" Therefore, Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then brought him back to life. Allah asked: "How long did you tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "No, you have tarried thus a hundred years; but look at your food and your drink; they show no signs of age; and look at your donkey: And so that We may make you a sign to the people, look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah has power over all things." (Surat al-Baqara, 259)


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Are Muslims terrorists
« on: February 04, 2013, 07:25:18 AM »
I was looking at the top 10 genocides:
1) Mao - Atheist
2) Stalin - Atheist
3) Hitler - Said he was a believer to the public, but in secret meetings confessed to hating all religions
4) Pol Pot - Atheist
...
Where are the Muslims/Christians???

Define terrorism: The systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.

Define Coercion: the act of compelling by force of authority.

Qur'an 2:256 - There is no compulsion in the religion

Matthew 5:44 - Love thy enemies

So it is illogical to link terrorism with religion. Religion does not compel by force or authority. It is the governments that do so.

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 NOW they tell us! The ambassador killing had nothing to do with the innocence of Muslims movie!

"Forty-year-old leftist militant who killed himself and a security guard in Ankara spent five years in prison but was released after being diagnosed with brain disorder."

He used a fake ID with the Muslim name Irfan A., his real name is Ecevit Sanli. DNA testing confirmed he was responsible for the embassy bombing. Why did he use a Muslim name? Well, the innocence of Muslims movie trailer was out for a while, he was just waiting for the right moment to attack, to make it look like it was driven be religion. Of course, after the guy died they admitted everything. The Turkish chief Mehmet Gormez, two days after the attack, said it wasn't a religion based attack, meaning he knew.
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/81174--a

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=102728

This embassy bomber recently killed himself after another attack.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/turkey-u-s-embassy-bomber-was-convicted-of-terrorism-in-1997-1.500954

It was Ecevit Sanli who did it, famous terrorist. He preplanned the attack, so we know the movie had nothing to do with it. They already caught him once, but let him go!! On February 1, 2013, he killed himself in an attack.


The Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front is a Turkey-based radical Marxist-Leninist group, that claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Ankara on Feb. 1.



The Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front, or DHKP-C, is a far-left group designated a terrorist organization by the United States, Turkey and the European Union. Leftist groups such as the DHKP-C strongly oppose the United States' influence over Turkey.

Also on Saturday, Turkish state media said officials detained three people in Istanbul and Ankara in connection with the attack, Reuters reported.

A suicide bomber blew himself up at an entrance to the U.S. Embassy compound in Ankara on Friday. The bomber and a Turkish guard were killed in the attack, which the U.S. described as "an act of terror."

The bomber, who was wearing a suicide vest, made it to the first X-ray machine in a screening area leading to the visa section, police sources said, and then detonated the device.

The Turkish security guard standing nearby was killed, but two guards on the other side of the checkpoint, behind bulletproof glass, survived. A Turkish journalist on her way to visit the ambassador was critically wounded.

On Sept. 11 last year, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, prompting concern about security for diplomats.


Source: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/02/16818679-turkish-far-left-group-claims-responsibility-for-us-embassy-attack?lite

Oh and I DID mention that Muslim terrorist incidents decreased by 66% this year right? This means the people got nothing to worry about!

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/american-muslim-terrorism/

Wake up Americans!! WAKE THE PHUCK UP!

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