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Mother's Day was not a happy day for Meriam
Yahia Ibrahim. While her second child is almost
due, the 27-year-old Sudanese doctor now faces
execution for marrying a Christian.
Ibrahim has been imprisoned, along with her 20-
month-old son, in Khartoum since February. She
is married to a South Sudanese Christian with U.S.
citizenship—Daniel Wani—but because her father
was a Muslim, the state does not recognize her
marriage and charged her with adultery and
apostasy in March. Morning Star News (MSN) has
chronicled her case.
On Sunday [May 11], Ibrahim drew a fresh round
of activist attention after a court convicted her
and sentenced her to death for apostasy and 100
lashes for adultery. MSN has the details. Middle
East Concern reports that "there is no known
precedent for such a verdict and sentence being
issued by a Sudanese court against a follower of
Jesus in recent times."
Ibrahim's case represents the increasing
Islamization of Sudan ever since the 2011
secession of predominantly Christian South
Sudan. President Omar Hassan al-Bashir has
made it clear that Sudan's political stance going
forward is a "100 per cent Islamic constitution,
without communism or secularism or Western
"Mrs Ibrahim's sentence is the latest and most
significant in a series of repressive acts by the
Sudanese government against religious
minorities," said Christian Solidarity Worldwide
(CSW). "If the sentence is carried out Mrs Ibrahim
will become the first person to be executed for
apostasy under the 1991 penal code, prompting
concerns that the charge may increasingly be
used against anyone who converts from Islam."
CSW reports:
The sentence comes months after the chairman of
the Islamic Centre for Preaching and Comparative
Studies, Ammar Saleh, accused the government of
negligence in addressing apostasy and urged it to
"stand against Christianisation and come up with
a long term solution to the problem." Although
President al Bashir has repeatedly stated that
Sudan's new constitution would be "100%
Islamic" and wholly based on Shari'a law, the new
constitution has yet to be finalised, leaving the
interim constitution in place, which references
Shari'a as a source of law and not as the basis of
the constitution. Since the charges against Mrs
Ibrahim are based on Shari'a law, the interim
constitution still provides for her right to freedom
of religion or belief.
The children of a Muslim father are automatically
considered to be Muslims in Sudan, even though
Ibrahim said she never practiced Islam. Her
Muslim father left the family when she was six
years old, and she was raised by her Christian
Ibrahim was convicted by the El Haj Yousif Public
Order Court of both crimes, and could be given
100 lashes for adultery and then put to death for
apostasy soon after her baby is born later this
month, according to human rights workers. The
court implied that her sentence could be reduced
or dismissed if she converts to Islam this week.
"Meriam is very weak and tired as the delivery
day gets closer," a Justice Center Sudan worker
told MSN. "The Sudanese authority keeps pushing
Meriam to announce Islamic faith."
"She is psychologically tired," Wani told MSN.
"My wife was never a Muslim. As an American
citizen, I ask the people and government of the
USA to help me."
The U.S. Embassy in Sudan asked him to provide
a DNA test to prove he is the father of his son,
Wani told MSN. Wani would have to meet U.S.
requirements for his children to receive U.S.
CT regularly reports on Sudan—No. 11 on the
World Watch List for severe Christian
persecution—including the Christian crackdown
moving the nation closer to becoming "100
percent" Muslim, as well as the government's
refusal to issue licenses to new churches.
CT has also reported on other Christians facing
death penalties, including Asia Bibi sentenced for
blasphemy in Pakistan, four missionaries who
faced evangelism charges in Benghazi, and
Christian converts who feared execution orders in

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Are you going to look in the mirror or should I force you to look into it ?

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Are you going to look in the mirror or should I force you to look into it ?
.                                                                                Brother does what you replied related to the post?  anyway I didn't get your point, can you please expanciate on it.

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The vision of the Qur'an as regards the matters such as
individual, society and the like is totally different from that of the
materialistic ideologies. This is evident also in its penal laws. Islam is
never in consonance with the Freudian school of thought which sees
in man nothing but a mere puppet that could never break free of the
strangulating influences of the circumstances of his birth and
environment. The Marxian view that it is economic change alone which
determines all feelings of self and values is also alien to Islam. The
outlook of capitalism, too, which holds that the full light of personality
can shine forth only if those born free are also allowed to live their
lives in complete freedom,is also rejected by Islam. However, Islam
recognizes the fact that wealth, circumstances and environment all
have their effect on the personality of men. But the person, as such, is
never created by them. The individual feeling of self and the capacity
to decide his stand in differing circumstances are the prerogative of
the soul. Indeed, this has been the divine grace endowed upon man,
and man alone. For it is this very soul that enables him to distinguish
between good and evil and to decide his own choice between the two.
It is the individuals who constitute a society. It is, moreover, the
divine laws which seek to purify the individual. It is certain, then, that
the society which is made up of individuals who imbibe, within
themselves, the moral laws will be one in which peace and goodness
reigns. The individual is obliged to obey these laws. For it is only through
this that a self-purification becomes possible. Even so, there will be, in
every society, at least some who try to deviate from the moral code. If
such people are not stopped, it might spread and spread in evil becoming
rampant in the society ,thereby,leading to a state of anarchy and chaos.
The laws of the Shariah are meant to prevent such a perpetuation of
the evil.
The very objective of the penal laws in the Qur'an is to maintain
the individual and society in a state of constant purity. Islam does not
envisage a view whereby the individual may be sacrificed for the society
or the society for the individual. Nevertheless, the capitalistic outlook
which does not tolerate even the slightest encroachment of the individual
and the communist view which holds that even the most basic urges
of the individual ought to be sacrificed for the society are both alien to
Islam. The vision of Islam, on the other hand, holds that it is never a
mutually clashing relationship which must exist between the individual
and society. It is values that necessarily binds them together
harmoniously. The penal laws of the Qur'an serve to purify the individual
and the society by way of protecting these values. Thus, they are
centered neither on the individual nor on the society.

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Sex is a divine gift. Its foremost function amongst living creature
is reproduction. It is also true that in the case of man, besides
reproduction, his mental health, shappiness of family life , peacefull
social life : all are linked to sexuality. In availing of a sexual behaviour
that is not in keeping with the divine guidelines, the mental health of
the individual, solidarity of the family and social structure will be
adversely affected. Moreover, such extra-marital relations will lead
to the affliction by sexually transmitted diseases which will eventually
end in the degeneration of society. Indeed, those who have learned of
this through experience have been the very people who claim for
themselves the status of being the spokespersons of modern civilisation.
Islam teaches that if two individuals are to have sexual relations
with each other they are to do so only through the contract of marriage.
Apart from that all other relations are bound to create problems and
damage. It will also destroy the very fabric of all values in society. It
will cast the seeds of suspicion within one’s marital life. Such suspicion
will then create cracks within the rapport between hearts. It disrupts
family relations - it will even gravely affect the mental health of future
As for the state of western societies, it is even
worse. The greatest social problem there continues to be the girls who
become pregnant at a very tender age. Another important issue with
which the government continues to grapple is the problem of illegitimate
children. However the situation there is such that these issues are not
considered as problematic at all. Social scientists, however, warn that
such violations of behavioural norms lead to the collapse of the institution
of the family and consequently create social problems of a grave nature
which will, in the long run, end in the total chaos and destruction of the
western world.
Islam has never envisioned such a society. Islam has striven for
the creation of a society wherein a peaceful family environment and
marital relationship prevails.
To that end, Islam considers that all sexual relations outside of
wedlock are to be prohibited. For that reason the Qur'an recommends
strict penal laws which serve to eliminate such sexual relations.
Conceding the fact that the sexual impulse is, indeed, one of the most
powerful of instincts, it is necessary, nevertheless, to check man, in
the exercise of that impulse, with equally compelling measures. Indeed,
herein lies the great relevance of the punishments in the Qur'an.

Yahia Ibrahim ARISE FROM THERE  ........

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Apostate ordered killing when they are fighting against Islam: committed murder and theft
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
"By Allah, Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 134
…………… "I do not know that killing a person is lawful in Islam except in three cases: a married person committing illegal sexual intercourse, one who has murdered somebody unlawfully, or one who wages war against Allah and His Apostle." …………..
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 261
Apostate not killed:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 814
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 107,108
Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6087 [not blindly kill innocent  people] 
Prophet allow Apostate to live
Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4593 

It has been narrated by Salama b. al-Akwa' that he visited al-Hajjaj who said to him: O son of al-Akwa', you have turned apostate and have come to live again in the desert with the Bedouins (after your migration). He said: No, but the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has permitted me to live in the desert.
Apostate killed wrong meaning: [actually it for adultery & killer, prophet used the word [li'l-jama'ah or al-jama'ah]
Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith
Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4152,4154
Allah will punish apostate:
3:86. How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
3:87. they are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allâh, of the angels, and of all mankind.
3:88. they will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while).
3: 90. Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief (i.e. disbelief in the Qur'ân and in Prophet Muhammad SAW) - never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray.
3: 177. Verily, those who purchase disbelief at the price of Faith, not the least harm will they do to Allâh. For them, there is a painful torment.
4: 137. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allâh will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.
9: 74. They swear by Allâh that they said nothing (bad), but really they said the word of disbelief, and they disbelieved after accepting Islâm, and they resolved that (plot to murder Prophet Muhammad SAW) which they were unable to carry out, and they could not find any cause to do so except that Allâh and His Messenger had enriched them of His Bounty. If then they repent, it will be better for them, but if they turn away, Allâh will punish them with a painful torment in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. And there is none for them on earth as a Walî (supporter, protector) or a helper.
16: 106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.
9: 101. And among the Bedouins round about you, some are hypocrites, and so are some among the people of Al-Madinah, they exaggerate and persist in hypocrisy, you (O Muhammad SAW) know them not, We know them. We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment.
Apostate Double face/lie:
3: 72. And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back.
47: 25. Verily, those who have turned back (have apostate) as disbelievers after the guidance has been manifested to them, Shaitân (Satan) has beautified for them (their false hopes), and (Allâh) prolonged their term (age).
26. This is because they said to those who hate what Allâh has sent down: "We will obey you in part of the matter," but Allâh knows their secrets.
Apostate heart sealed:
63: 3. That is because they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts are sealed, so they understand not.
4: 137. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allâh will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.
Apostate talking kind manner [with lie]
63: 4. And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allâh curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path.
Apostate with pride:
63: 5. And when it is said to them: "Come, so that the Messenger of Allâh may ask forgiveness from Allâh for you", they turn aside their heads, and you would see them turning away their faces in pride.
Apostate going on the way of evil:
47: 25. Verily, those who have turned back (have apostated) as disbelievers after the guidance has been manifested to them, Shaitân (Satan) has beautified for them (their false hopes), and (Allâh) prolonged their term (age).
No use for the advice of truth:
63: 6. It is equal to them whether you (Muhammad SAW) ask forgiveness or ask not forgiveness for them. Verily, Allâh guides not the people who are the Fâsiqîn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh) .
Immoral behavior of apostate:
63: 7. They are the ones who say: "Spend not on those who are with Allâh's Messenger, until they desert him." And to Allâh belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth, but the hypocrites comprehend not.
8.  They (hypocrites) say: "If we return to Al-Madinah, indeed the more honorable ('Abdûllah bin Ubai bin Salul, the chief of hyprocrites at Al¬Madinah) will expel there from the meaner (i.e. Allah’s Messenger SAW)." But honor, power and glory belong to Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not.

General Character of apostate:

3: 167. And that He might test the hypocrites, it was said to them: "Come, fight in the Way of Allâh or (at least) defend yourselves." They said: "Had we known that fighting will take place, we would certainly have followed you." They were that day, nearer to disbelief than to Faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allâh has full knowledge of what they conceal.
9: 107. And as for those who put up a mosque by way of harming and disbelief, and to disunite the believers, and as an outpost for those who warned against Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) aforetime, they will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good. Allâh bears witness that they are certainly liars.
33: 14. And if the enemy had entered from all sides (of the city), and they had been exhorted to Al¬Fitnah (i.e. to renegade from Islâm to polytheism) they would surely have committed it and would have hesitated thereupon but little.
9: 75. And of them are some who made a covenant with Allâh (saying): "If He bestowed on us of His Bounty, we will verily, give Sadaqâh (Zakât and voluntary charity in Allâh's Cause) and will be certainly among those who are righteous."
76. Then when He gave them of His Bounty, they became niggardly [refused to pay the Sadaqâh (Zakât or voluntary charity)], and turned away, averse.
77. So He punished them by putting hypocrisy into their hearts till the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they broke that (covenant with Allâh) which they had promised Him and because they used to tell lies.
79. Those who defame such of the believers who give charity (in Allâh's Cause) voluntarily, and those who could not find to give charity (in Allâh's Cause) except what is available to them, so they mock at them (believers), Allâh will throw back their mockery on them, and they shall have a painful torment.
People have right to hide their belief in public, no punishment when they published it:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 5

Thouba[forgiveness] for apostate:

3: 89. Except for those who repent after that and do righteous deeds. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
5: 34. Except for those who (having fled away and then) came back (as Muslims) with repentance before they fall into your power; in that case, know that Allâh is Oft¬Forgiving, Most Merciful.
9: 11. But if they repent, perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give Zakât, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.
49: 14.  The Bedouins say: "We believe." Say: "You believe not but you only say, 'We have surrendered (in Islâm),' for Faith has not yet entered your hearts. But if you obey Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), He will not decrease anything in reward for your deeds. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.18.16
Prophet pray for apostate
9: 80. Whether you (O Muhammad SAW) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them … (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness … Allâh will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW). And Allâh guides not those people who are Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.18.15

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in the Qur'an.
Yahia Ibrahim ARISE FROM THERE ........
                                                                                              So are you saying who so ever know the truth should not let the truth set him/her free? She Have known the truth , that was why He got herself out of the bondage (by marrying a christian). 
I don't understand why most muslims  will
tell you that islam is a tolerant religion that holds the view that there should be no compulsion they force people to become a muslim while at the same time threatens anyone who might leave with death.
Even if this woman is eventually freed with the
help of international pressure on the government,
this sad affair along with numerous other such
cases continues to show us the other side of  islam that is brutal, evil and intolerant.
The fact that no one, especially somebody in her
condition should be subjected to this kind of
duress from religion in this modern age is an
indication that the muslim God Allah as revealed
by Muhammad and practiced today by its
adherents does not belong to this era. It should
either reform or be relegated to the dark pages of

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I am no brother of yours . The religion is the red line that seperates us . I'm not sure about the judgement in the case of this woman and I leave it to someone who knows better . What I know is that hewr act is forbidden . But believe me , if you ever try to make comparisons between Islam and any other religion or ideology - Yes , that includes secularsim - then I swear you'll see that what ever you accuse Islam of exists double and more in the others be it Judaism and Christianity or anything else .

As for denying the clear narrations of apostasy and it's punishement , I'm really tired , tired of arguing about basic knowledge of Islam . And if most people here choose personal preferences and western preferences as standard to judge Islam which should be judging them , I'll refrain .

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@So are you saying who so ever know the truth should not let the truth set him/her free................


@why most muslims  will
tell you that islam is a tolerant religion that holds the view that there should be no compulsion .


@they force people to become a muslim while at the same time threatens anyone who might leave with death.


2:256  Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.
2: 272. Not upon you (Muhammad SAW) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.
4:28 “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).
5: 92. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or AlAnsâb, or AlAzlâm, etc.) and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger's duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.
6: 48. And We send not the Messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believes and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.
6: 66. But your people (O Muhammad SAW) have denied it (the Qur'ân) though it is the truth. Say: "I am not responsible for your affairs."
67. For every news there is a fact, i.e. for everything there is an appointed term (and it is also said that for every deed there is a recompense) and you will come to know.
68. And when you (Muhammad SAW) see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses (of the Qur'ân) by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic. And if Shaitân (Satan) causes you to forget, then after the remembrance sit not you in the company of those people who are the Zâlimûn
69. Those who fear Allah, keep their duty to Him and avoid evil are not responsible for them (the disbelievers) in any case, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may avoid that (mockery at the Qur'ân). 
70. And leave alone those who take their religion as play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But remind (them) with it (the Qur'ân) lest a person be given up to destruction for that which he has earned, when he will find for himself no protector or intercessor besides Allah, and even if he offers every ransom, it will not be accepted from him. Such are they who are given up to destruction because of that which they have earned. For them will be a drink of boiling water and a painful torment because they used to disbelieve.
7: 51. "Who took their religion as an amusement and play, and the life of the world deceived them." So this Day We shall forget them as they forgot their meeting of this Day, and as they used to reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
7: 188. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe."
9: 129. . But if they turn away, say (O Muhammad SAW): "Allah is sufficient for me. Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."
10: 41. And if they belie you, say: "For me are my deeds and for you are your deeds! You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do!"
10: 99. And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers.
10: 108. . Say: "O you mankind! Now truth (i.e. the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad SAW), has come to you from your Lord. So whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self, and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss, and I am not (set) over you as a Wakîl (disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidance)."
11:12…But you are only a Warner……

Does "Islam" really mean to force someone to Islam or else kill him?

Some anti-Islamic Arabic speaking people say that the word "Islam" means particularly to "surrender".  This is a clear lie, because "Islam" in Arabic means "submission".

Islam is derived from the word Salam which means peace.  When someone says "as'SALAMu alaikum", he is saying may peace be upon you, or peace be upon you.  Islam is not istislam.  "istislam" means surrender, like in wars when your enemy surrenders.  Islam means submission, and it is only used for submitting yourself to GOD Almighty and not to man.   You can't submit yourself to me for instance.  That is prohibited in Islam.   

There are words that are related to the word "Islam", such as "Aslam" which means to convert to Islam.  If I tell you you are better off to aslam to Islam, it means that you are better off to convert to Islam or submit yourself to Islam to be saved by Allah Almighty at the Day of Judgment. 

"Tasleem" means to give or turn in, but it is not derived from the word Salam.  "Islam" is only used when referring to Allah Almighty and the religion of Islam.  It has nothing to do with compulsion.  Plus compulsion is not allowed in Islam anyway:

Chapter 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:  2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'


Numbers 31: 7-18 :
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)

1 Samuel 15:3,8

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)


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Total crimes (most recent) by country

#1       United States:   11,877,218    
# 2       United Kingdom:   6,523,706    
# 3       Germany:   6,507,394    
#4       France:      3,771,850    
#5       Russia:      2,952,370    
#6       Japan:      2,853,739    
#7       South Africa:   2,683,849    
#8       Canada:      2,516,918    
#9       Italy:      2,231,550    
#10       India:      1,764,630



Rank     Countries      Amount      

#1       Lesotho:       0.844 per 1,000 people       
#2       New Zealand:    0.315    
#3       Belgium:   0.299       
#4       Iceland:       0.286    
#5       Norway:       0.203
#6       Israel:      0.166
#7       Finland:       0.141
#8       Chile:       0.12
#9       Mongolia:   0.118    
#10       Ireland:       0.102

UN Rape Statistics:

1 United States of America   93883
2 Australia                   18237
3 United Kingdom        13272
4 France                                   10408
5 Germany      8766
6 Russian Federation      8185

Divorce rate (most recent) by country

Rank     Countries      Amount   

#1       United States:   4.95 per 1,000 people    
#2       Puerto Rico:   4.47     
#3       Russia:      3.36     
#4       United Kingdom:   3.08     
#5       Denmark:   2.81    
#6       New Zealand:   2.63     
#7       Australia:   2.52    
# 8       Canada:      2.46     
#9       Finland:      1.85     
#10       Barbados:   1.21

List of countries by alcohol consumption:

 Moldova      18.22   
 Czech Republic   16.45   
 Hungary      16.27   
 Russia      15.76   
 Ukraine      15.60   
 Estonia      15.57   
 Andorra      15.4
11.30      15.30   
 Slovenia      15.19

LIKE THAT................
Assault victims (most recent) by country
Car thefts (most recent) by country
 Murders with firearms (most recent) by country
Suicide rates in ages 25-34 (most recent) by country
 Gun violence : Homicides &homicides with firearms
Suicide rates in ages 15-24 (most recent) by country

'World's Largest' Online Pedophile Ring Smashed In Europe


Romania: 2,000 minors victim to prostitution.

The Netherlands: 1,000 children walk the streets.

Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.

Belgium: All sorts of young Albanian, Bulgarian, or Ukrainian girls ages 13- 16 years old were discovered in Brussels in 2000.

France:  The number would hit 8,000 according to estimations from 2003.

Cambodia: One-third of 50,000 to 70,000 of prostitutes are children.

Popular China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.

India: According to UNICEF, India is one of the countries with the most child prostitutes. According to a study from the magazine India Today, between 400,000 and 500,000 children are prostitutes in India.

Japan: In this country, child prostitution is frequent. Research has shown that most of the young girl prostitutes do not suffer from economic problems but are "victims" of a culture of consumerism. Minor girls decide to sell their bodies or participate in a pornographic film in order to buy luxury products: cell phones, shoes, clothes. This often comprises very young girls who have either problems in their family or in school.

Nepal: It is estimated that 12,000 Nepali children, the majority girls, are victims each year of commercial sexual exploitation, whether in Nepal or in brothels in India or other countries.

Philippines: Between 80,000 and 100,000 children, the large majority girls, are victims of prostitution in the Philippines.

Sri Lanka: 30,000 children, mostly boys.

Taiwan: 100,000 minors subjected to sexual exploitation

Thailand: A study of the black market by the International Labor Organization in Thailand in 1998 estimates that prostitution represents 10-14% of the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the country in 1998. It is believed that one-third of Thai prostitutes, 24,000-40,000, are minors, sometimes abducted and sold. More than one-quarter are infected with HIV.

Vietnam: 12,000 minor prostitutes according to UNICEF. According to other NGOs, the figures would much heavier. More than 450 Vietnamese children less than 15 years old have been sent to Cambodia to be prostitutes in 2001 (UNICEF).

Brazil: One of the countries most affected by child prostitution (Fortaleza Airport has seen a constant increase from foreign visitors). There are no statistics for prostitution, but 100,000 children on the streets are "exposed" to sexual exploitation. Certain NGOs estimate much higher numbers.

Colombia: 5,000 to 7,000 children in Bogota

Venezuela: 40,000 minors victim to prostitution

Costa Rica: According to NGOs, there are at least 250 child prostitution locations.

United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes

Canada: The country is becoming alarmed by the rise in child prostitution, notably amongst children of native peoples, victim to the sex industry. This child prostitution is caused by racism, lack of education, and poverty.

Child sex tourism :

Thailand : 40% of prostitutes are child in Thailand
Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
Cambodia: 1/3 of prostitutes are child
 India : 1.2 million child prostitutes
 Brazil:  1.2 million child prostitutes
United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes.
China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.
 Mexico:16,000 children in Mexico were involved in prostitution
 Sri Lanka, there are nearly 40,000 child prostitutes
In the Philippines, there are 60,000 to 100,000 prostituted children
In Nepal approximately 30% of them were found to be children.
in Vietnam, and 20,000 of these are children.
in Ukraine, research has shown that between 30 and 40 percent of prostitutes are between 11 and 18 years
in Russia approximately 20 to 25 percent of Moscow's sex workers are minors.