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Offline Isa27James

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Assalam alykam

christians try to disprove Muhammad's prophet saying there was no witness to him seeing jibraeel

how can i answer them

here are the verses they bring up

Matthew 18:16
But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

Matthew 26:60
But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward

John 7:51
"Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing?"

John 8:17
In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.

2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."

1 Timothy 5:19
Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:28
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Muhammad yusuf Ibn Brase

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Re: Christians always say this to disprove Muhammad pbuh prophet hood
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 08:50:55 PM »
try to read this hadith brother...

Also from 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, there is that he said, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, one day a man came up to us whose clothes were extremely white, whose hair was extremely black, upon whom traces of travelling could not be seen, and whom none of us knew, until he sat down close to the Prophet, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, so that he rested his knees upon his knees and placed his two hands upon his thighs and said, 'Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said, 'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and [then] telling him that he told the truth. He said, 'Tell me about iman.' He said, 'That you affirm Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and that you affirm the Decree, the good of it and the bad of it.' He said, 'You have told the truth.' He said, 'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' He said, 'Tell me about the Hour.' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more than the one asking.' He said, 'Then tell me about its tokens.' He said, 'That the female slave should give birth to her mistress, and you see poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing in making tall buildings.' He went away, and I remained some time. Then he asked, 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?' I said, 'Allah and His Messenger know best.' He said, 'He was Jibril who came to you to teach you your deen'." Muslim (8) narrated it.
Muslim alone narrated this hadith apart from al-Bukhari. He narrated it by way of Kahmas from 'Abdullah ibn Buraydah from Yahya ibn Ya'mar who said, "The first to speak about the Decree in Basrah was Ma'bad al-Juhani. I and Humayd ibn 'Abd ar-Rahman al-Humayri went on hajj or 'umrah saying [to ourselves], 'If we meet anyone of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, we will ask him about what these people say about the Decree.' We were fortunate to meet 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with both of them, as he entered the mosque. We went in shoulder to shoulder with him, I and my companion, one on his right and the other on his left. I thought my companion would delegate the talking to me and so I said, 'Abu 'Abd ar-Rahman, people have appeared among us who recite the Qur'an and seek out and follow knowledge...'" and he told some of their story and that they claimed that there is no Decree and that the matter is happening for the first time without any prior decree. "He [Ibn 'Umar] said, 'When you meet those people tell them that I have nothing to do with them and that they are free of me. By the One whom 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar swears by, if one of them has the like of Uhud in gold and spends it, Allah will not accept it until he has iman in the Decree!' Then he said, 'My father, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, told me, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace..."'" and he mentioned the rest of the hadith completely. Then he [Muslim] narrated it by other paths some of which return to 'Abdullah ibn Buraydah and some to Yahya ibn Ya'mar, and mentioned that in some of their narrations there were things added in and things left out.
Ibn Hibban narrated it in his Sahih from Sulayman at-Taymi from Yahya ibn Ya'mar, and Muslim had already narrated [that he had] it from this same path but he didn't mention their wording of it. In it there is some extra about Islam. He said, "That you perform the hajj and the 'umrah, and that you do ghusl for purification from sexual intercourse, and that you perfect wudu [and fast Ramadan]." He asked, "Then if I do that, am I a Muslim?" He said, "Yes." He said about iman, "and that you have iman in the Garden and the Fire and the Scales." He asked about it, "Then if I do that, am I a mumin?" He said, "Yes." He said at the end of it, "This was Jibril who came to you to teach you your deen. Take it from him. By the One in Whose hand is my self, he was disguised to me since he [first] came to me before this occasion, and [so] I did not recognise him until he turned away."
The two of them narrated in the two sahih books the hadith of Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that he said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, came out to people and a man came to him and asked, 'What is iman?' He said, 'Iman is that you believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, the meeting with Him, His Messengers and that you believe in the last rising [from the grave].' He asked, 'Messenger of Allah, what is Islam?' He said, 'Islam is that you worship Allah without associating anything with Him as a partner, establish the obligatory prayer, pay the obligatory zakat and fast Ramadan.' He asked, 'Messenger of Allah, what is ihsan?' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you do not see Him then He sees you.' He asked, 'Messenger of Allah, when is the Hour?' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more than the questioner, but I will tell you about its signs: when the female slave gives birth to her lord that is one of its signs. When you see naked barefoot ones becoming the leaders of men, that is one of its signs. When the shepherds of lambs compete in constructing tall buildings that is one of its signs [and it, the Hour, is] among five [things] which none know but Allah,' and then the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, recited, 'Truly Allah has knowledge of the Hour and sends down abundant rain and knows what is in the womb. And no self knows what it will earn tomorrow and no self knows in what land it will die. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.' (Surah Luqman: 33). Then the man went away and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, 'Bring the man back to me,' and so they went to try and bring him back but saw nothing. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'This was Jibril who came to teach people their deen.'"

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Re: Christians always say this to disprove Muhammad pbuh prophet hood
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 09:03:00 PM »
let us say that there is no witness that Muhammad (saws) saw Jibreel (as), but if we re a true muslim we will accept that when the Nabi said that he saw jibraeel is a hundred % true without any doubt...because our nbi is the Al ameen and the truthful one.

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Re: Christians always say this to disprove Muhammad pbuh prophet hood
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 09:10:47 PM »
5:8
Sahih International: O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Pickthall: O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.

Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

Shakir: O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do.

Muhammad Sarwar: Believers, be steadfast for the cause of God and just in bearing witness. Let not a group's hostility to you cause you to deviate from justice. Be just, for it is closer to piety. Have fear of God; God is Well Aware of what you do.

Mohsin Khan: O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Well

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Re: Christians always say this to disprove Muhammad pbuh prophet hood
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 12:03:30 PM »
Assalam alykam

christians try to disprove Muhammad's prophet saying there was no witness to him seeing jibraeel

how can i answer them

here are the verses they bring up

Matthew 18:16
But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

Matthew 26:60
But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward

John 7:51
"Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing?"

John 8:17
In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.

2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."

1 Timothy 5:19
Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:28
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Of course no one witnessed the prophet seeing Gabriel. What exactly is their logical point?

That if no one witnessed it, it didn't happen? NO!

What people witnessed is that the prophet went to cave and then walked out speaking the miraculous Quran. That was a large witness and a big reason why many became Muslim. The miraculous nature of the Quran has been witnessed by many and is still being witnessed today. Now, Jesus' alleged crucifixion. Who was it witnessed by? 2-3 people 40-70 years after the event?? Is anyone witnessing it now?

Remember Allah does NOT give proof of his existence to people. He gives signs to people. Allah gives proof to the prophets because the prophets have a duty to share the message. People are here to get tested, prophets are here to give the message. ( I will explain later once I complete this blog: http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/wiki-islam-debunked.html).

No one witnessed God talking to Moses on Sinai and giving him the law.
No one witnessed Gabriel's talk to Mary before Jesus' birth.

Further, in the bible a few people are said to witness the crucifixion. So anyone could just have easily went and lied...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtD6XQ25g9o

Watch more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twX5HlBDZEI
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So how are we to know that the prophet Muhammad and Gabriel met? By observing and reflecting upon the Quran. We did not directly witness such an event. So we observe through the Quran. That is how science works. How do we know that macro-evolution occurred if we didn't directly witness it? We observe the signs and the evidence in nature and we make that derivation. How do we know the big-bang happened if we didn't directly witness it? We observe the signs in the universe and the evidence points to that. So how do we know the prophet and Gabriel met if we never directly witnessed it? We observe the signs in the Quran and how it cannot have been written by the prophet and we therefore say that it is miraculous and the prophet is a messenger and he met Gabriel. Further did you see the intense numerical accuracies in the Quran, please look that up.

Next: How do Christians know that Jesus got crucified? By observing and reflecting upon a historically corrupted bible that has many inconsistencies and has a huge major flaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkRhB2qleSs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUiVusFnWKEZ1kHyTy_9jXcw

Are they saying that there is no such thing as false witnesses? We have seen direct evidence of manuscript corruption in the bible.
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