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Offline Abdullah Tahmeed

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Declining the truth
« on: March 29, 2015, 01:29:43 AM »
Eternal hell is for declining the truth in Islam. I am fine with that, everyone is, there is no doubt that if anyone declines the truth for real life pleasure, he should be punished.

But my question is: Does everyone understands the truth??

There are at least a few thousands of christian apologists site, thousands of atheists site. If there is an allegation against islam, i come here or search in call-to-monotheism and such sites. In same way, christians and atheists also use their site and indeed in an apparent look, they seem logical and not to forget everyone isn't a scholar on islam.

So, when it comes to declining the truth(truth should be clear since people are going to eternal hell for it), does people understand the truth??


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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 11:01:02 AM »
NON MUSLIM AGREED TRUE ISLAM TIME OF DEATH & HERE AFTER

Devil/shaithan rejects the sinner hereafter:
50: 27. His companion (Satan devil)] will say: "Our Lord! I did not push him to transgress, (in disbelief, oppression, and evil deeds) but he was himself in error far astray."
28. Allâh will say: "Dispute not in front of Me, I had already, in advance, sent you the threat.
Sinner agreed their sin [hereafter]:
40: 48. Those who were arrogant will say: "We are all (together) in this (Fire)! Verily Allâh has judged between (His) slaves!"
49. And those in the Fire will say to the keepers (angels) of Hell: "Call upon your Lord to lighten for us the torment for a day!"
50. They will say: "Did there not come to you, your Messengers with (clear) evidences and signs? They will say: "Yes." They will reply: "Then call (as you like)! And the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but in error!"
51. Verily, We will indeed make victorious Our Messengers and those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) in this world's life and on the Day when the witnesses will stand forth, (i.e. Day of Resurrection),
52. The Day when their excuses will be of no profit to Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh). Theirs will be the curse, and theirs will be the evil abode (i.e. painful torment in Hell-fire).
46: 34. And on the Day when those who disbelieve will be exposed to the Fire (it will be said to them): "Is this not the truth?" They will say: "Yes, By our Lord!" He will say: "Then taste the torment, because you used to disbelieve!"
67: 9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allâh never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.'"
10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"
11. Then they will confess their sin. So, away with the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
74: 42. "What has caused you to enter Hell?"
43. They will say: "We were not of those who used to offer their Salât (prayers)
44. "Nor we used to feed Al-Miskin (the poor);
45. "And we used to talk falsehood (all that which Allâh hated) with vain talkers .
46. "And we used to belie the Day of Recompense
47. "Until there came to us (the death) that is certain."
48. So no intercession of intercessors will be of any use to them.
49. Then what is wrong with them (i.e. the disbelievers) that they turn away from (receiving) admonition?
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 365
Sinner asks help from Muslim:
57: 13. On the Day when the hypocrites’ men and women will say to the believers: "Wait for us! Let us get something from your light!" It will be said: "Go back to your rear! Then seek a light!" So a wall will be put up between them, with a gate therein. Inside it will be mercy, and outside it will be torment."
14. (The hypocrites) will call the believers: "Were we not with you?" The believers will reply: "Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations, you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith); and you were deceived by false desires, till the Command of Allâh came to pass. And the chief deceiver (Satan) deceived you in respect of Allâh."
15. So this Day no ransom shall be taken from you (hypocrites), nor of those who disbelieved, (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism). Your abode is the Fire, that is the proper place for you, and worst indeed is that destination.
Hereafter Sinner will try to escape as much as they can possible [but no use]:
70: 10. And no friend will ask of a friend,
11. Though they shall be made to see one another [(i.e. on the Day of Resurrection), there will be none but see his father, children and relatives, but he will neither speak to them nor will ask them for any help)], - the Mujrim, (criminal, sinner, disbeliever, etc.) would desire to ransom himself from the punishment of that Day by his children.
12. And his wife and his brother,
13. And his kindred who sheltered him,
14. And all that are in the earth, so that it might save him .
Sinner agreed true Islam when they saw the punishment:
40: 84. So when they saw Our punishment, they said: "We believe in Allâh Alone and reject (all) that we used to associate with Him as (His) partners.
85. Then their Faith (in Islâmic Monotheism) could not avail them when they saw Our punishment. (Like) this has been the way of Allâh in dealing with His slaves. And there the disbelievers lost utterly (when Our Torment covered them).
89: 23. And Hell will be brought near that Day. On that Day will man remember, but how will that remembrance (then) avail him?
24. He will say: "Alas! Would that I had sent forth (good deeds) for (this) my life!"
25. So on that Day, none will punish as He will punish.
26. And none will bind as He will bind.

Offline Abdullah Tahmeed

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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 11:30:12 AM »
So what we conclude??

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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2015, 08:32:38 AM »
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What is the truth?
(And remember) when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) to make it (the news of the coming of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and the religious knowledge) known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it, but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And indeed worst is that which they bought. (3:187)

And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." (3:82)

Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."(3:84)
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.(3:85)
How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and had witnessed that the Messenger is true and clear signs had come to them? And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.(3:86)

And they divided not till after knowledge had come to them, through (selfish) transgression between themselves. And had it not been for a Word that went forth before from your Lord for an appointed term, the matter would have been settled between them. And verily, those who were made to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurah (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] after them (i.e. Jews and Christians) are in grave doubt concerning it (i.e. Allah's true religion - Islam or the Qur'an). (42:14)

This (the Qur'an) is a plain statement for mankind, a guidance and instruction to those who are Al-Muttaqun (3:138).

And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and follows every rebellious devil.(22:3)

O mankind, indeed the promise of Allah is truth, so let not the worldly life delude you and be not deceived about Allah by the Deceiver (35:5)

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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2015, 09:14:39 AM »
As for those living in areas that Islam never reaches them, or perhaps Islam have reaches their places. But due to how Islam is portrayed as communism or evil belief nowadays.
They will simply decline truth or they will avoid study about Islam that is clearly bad in their eyes, they can just say Muslims's religion and their book are the work of Satan.

This is a matter of Allah to judge them in the Day of Judgement.

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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2015, 12:52:56 AM »
As for those living in areas that Islam never reaches them, or perhaps Islam have reaches their places. But due to how Islam is portrayed as communism or evil belief nowadays.
They will simply decline truth or they will avoid study about Islam that is clearly bad in their eyes, they can just say Muslims's religion and their book are the work of Satan.

This is a matter of Allah to judge them in the Day of Judgement.


EXACTLY! well, i am wondering if there are any verses about these issues.

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Re: Declining the truth
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2015, 03:42:28 AM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brother Abdullah Tahmeed,

As for those living in areas that ISLAM NEVER REACHES them, or perhaps Islam have reaches their places. But due to how Islam is portrayed as communism or evil belief nowadays.
They will simply decline truth or they will avoid study about Islam that is clearly bad in their eyes, they can just say Muslims's religion and their book are the work of Satan.

This is a matter of Allah to judge them in the Day of Judgement.


EXACTLY! well, i am wondering if there are any verses about these issues.

Could this be the verse u want?

[17:15] And we never punish until We have sent a messenger (to warn)

This verse may refer to the native people living in remote areas of the world, some of whom don't even know what is pant, let alone Islam !!

(I read about such a race who say the earth will be destroyed if they wear pants !!!)

But u will have to keep these verses in mind too;

[10:47] To every people (was sent) a messenger...

[13:7] ...And to every people there is a guide.

[16:36] Verily We sent a messenger for every people..

[35:24] and there was never a people, without having a warner  living among them...

[40:5] and every people plotted against their prophet...

So every nation had prophets or guides.

But still therer are some uncivilzed ethnic people who have no knowledge about the truth. Perhaps their prophets are long forgotten. It's completely Allah's will what He will do with them.

But I think we muslims will have to take a part of their burden in the Judgement Day. Because we are appointed to call others to Islam. What people like Zakir Naik and brother Osama are doing is great work mashAllah and perfect for general people. But the problem is people who don't wear pants :P don't watch TV or browse on internet !!

Look at the christian missionaries, they are all over the world. The sahabas (R) did the same thing too; came out of homes and spread the message.

The Prophet (SAW) said, "The fire of Hell won't touch the servant whose legs touched dirt in the way of Allah." (bukhari)

But still, Allah gave us a head to think about Allah's signs. Many philosophers became monotheists in this way. I guess u know that in mecca before the prophet pbuh there were four people seeking the true religion? They were Oraka ibn Nawfel, Ubaidullah ibn Zahsh, Usman ibn Huairis and Zaid ibn Amr. The first three became christians. But Zaid became a Abrahamic monotheist, neither Jew-Christian nor pagan. He even forbade to bury daughters! (That's how Allah grants them hikmah who seek Him!) [souce: Sirat e Ibn Hisham]

(NOTE: Ibn Hisham is not always authentic, but here I used it just to show how people can realize the truth)

But he died before Islam came. And Prophet pbuh permitted his relatives to pray for him and said that he will be a unique ummah on the judgement Day.


As for those living in areas that Islam never reaches them, or perhaps Islam have reaches their places. But due to how Islam is portrayed as communism or evil belief nowadays.
They will simply decline truth or they will avoid study about Islam that is clearly bad in their eyes, they can just say Muslims's religion and their book are the work of Satan.

Well, that's their burden. Who told them to avoid studying Islam? We are studying christianity. And if anyone decline the truth even after studying Islam (people like uncle Sam Shamoun :P), for them Allah revealed this verse,

[27:84] Until when they come (Allah) will say, "Did ye reject My sign/verses though ye comprehended them not in knowledge, or what was it ye did?"

May Allah be with us all
Sadat Tahmeed
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