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A new scientific error in the bible!
« on: August 06, 2017, 06:42:03 PM »



After doing some research, I have found a new scientific error in the bible! It's regarding the creation of the universe. Here's it:

Creation according to the bible

The Creation of the World
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.


Source:https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=ESV

As you all can see that the according to the bible, earth was created before light and was formless. This is a serious error here.

The first light appeared approximately 240,000 to 300,000 years after the big bang. While earth began to form after 9.1 billion years after the big bang..

But how can we know that? Very simple.

The big bang is thought to have happened 13.7 billion years ago and the Earth is 4.6 billion years old so the earth formed 13.7 - 4.6 = 9.1 billion years after the big bang.

For example, if your father is 55 years and you're 12, this means that you were born after 43 years after he was born.

I hope brother Osama add this error to his collection.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 06:50:07 PM »
And to clear confusion. If your father is 55 now, and you're 13 now, this means that he was 42 years old when had intercourse, which also means that you were born 42 years later after he (your father) was born.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 06:44:16 AM »
Why doesn't anyone respond?

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 08:55:45 AM »
I guess you're right...as far as i remember, i was taught in physics class(correct me if I'm wrong because i studied physics till ordinary level lol)  that light is formed when electrons loses energy and enters the "ground stage"...so basically it would not be possible during the early stages of the universe because everything was kinda hot or maybe too hot for atoms of hydrogen or helium to kinda attract electrons...well basically when they attract they become "neutral/impartial atoms" i guess(we should remember that visible light is created by electrons within atoms)....so yeah i guess you're right that the universe had to wait for 240,000-300,000 years to see some light...

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 09:41:16 AM »
Another thing, if some people claim that it's referring to day and not light because God called light day, then they are obviously making another irrefutable error here.

According the bible, God created sun on day 4, and he created light on day 1. So we have 2 possibilities here, either light in the bible is referring to the actual day, or it's referring to the actual light, and in the end, both of them are wrong because:

1.If it's (the light that's mentioned in the bible) is referring to the actual day, then this is entirely falsehood because there can be no day without sun, and sun was created on day 4 while light was created on day 1

2.If it's (the light that's mentioned in the bible) is referring to the actual light, then this is incorrect because according to the bible the light was created after earth was created and was formless.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 10:14:28 AM »
I guess you nailed it ;)

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 02:15:50 PM »
I hope people give me their opinions about this error. Is it wrong? I look forward to your answers.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 05:32:02 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

"Light" can be interpreted in different ways.  The Light of GOD Almighty is different from the light of our stars and sun.  We don't know before the Big Bang if other stars and universes existed.  And light really begins when there is a light source.  So I am not really sure.

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 05:51:18 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

"Light" can be interpreted in different ways.  The Light of GOD Almighty is different from the light of our stars and sun.  We don't know before the Big Bang if other stars and universes existed.  And light really begins when there is a light source.  So I am not really sure.

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But brother Osama, this is like saying that the earth that God created isn't our earth. There's nothing as "The Light of GOD Almighty is different from the light of our stars and sun.". This is like saying that the DNA that God created is different from the DNA that we know. The bible is referring to the actual light. It didn't say that that this light is different from the light that we know. In the bible it says that God created heavens and earth, doesn't that mean that it was referring to other heavens and another earth? When we say that God created earth in the Quran, do we mean that it's another earth?

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 06:00:32 PM »
Another thing, it didn't claim that this light is the "light" of God. It only said that God created light.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 06:01:38 PM »
Another thing, it didn't claim that this light is the "light" of God. It only said that God created light.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 06:12:48 AM »
And even if another universes and stars existed before the big bang, then this wouldn't matter because the bible claimed that light was created after earth was created and was formless, so would you add this error to your collection, brother Osama?

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2017, 10:32:58 AM »
Brother Osama, will you add it to your collection, or not?

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2017, 06:36:57 PM »
Let me see to it, akhi. 

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2017, 06:47:45 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

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1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

So earth was a dead planet.  It also was also probably a rogue planet that didn't belong to any solar system.  The Glorious Quran also supports this possibility:

www.answering-christianity.com/was_earth_a_planemo_planet.htm


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3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

This is perhaps after the earth was joined with our solar system and began to form life and atmosphere in the goldilocks zone.  Keep in mind that earth also went through molten hot phases as it was getting smashed and bombarded with mighty asteroids of iron that had comparable sizes to earth.  This is also how our moon was formed; from scattered debris of rocks from earth that initially formed a ring around it.  Both science and the Glorious Quran strongly support this:

www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm


I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2017, 06:52:40 PM »
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This is perhaps after the earth was joined with our solar system and began to form life and atmosphere in the goldilock zone.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

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Osama Abdallah

It doesn't matter whether earth was joined or not. It will still remain a obvious error in the bible. The bible claims that light was created after earth began to form, or was created and formless.

Please read my posts above. They will definitely enlighten you.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2017, 06:57:15 PM »
"3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light...."

Probably light on earth through its cycle around the sun, dear brother.  Not light as in ALL LIGHT in the Universe.  It's open to interpretation.

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 04:26:27 AM »
"3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light...."

Probably light on earth through its cycle around the sun, dear brother.  Not light as in ALL LIGHT in the Universe.  It's open to interpretation.

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Osama Abdallah

Light on earth is the light of the sun.

I'll quote you my post.


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According the bible, God created sun on day 4, and he created light on day 1. So we have 2 possibilities here, either light in the bible is referring to the actual day, or it's referring to the actual light, and in the end, both of them are wrong because:

1.If it's (the light that's mentioned in the bible) is referring to the actual day, then this is entirely falsehood because there can be no day without sun, and sun was created on day 4 while light was created on day 1

2.If it's (the light that's mentioned in the bible) is referring to the actual light, then this is incorrect because according to the bible the light was created after earth was created and was formless.

As you can see, all the other interpretation are false. Even if we assumed that it's referring to the light on earth through its cycle around the sun, it would still be considered wrong because according to the bible light was created on day 1 while sun was created on day 4.


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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2017, 03:58:41 PM »
I think I won  ;D, and I think that you owe me something, brother Osama. That thing is adding this error to your collection in the main site so that everyone could see it.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2017, 03:58:59 PM »
I think I won  ;D, and I think that you owe me something, brother Osama. That thing is adding this error to your collection in the main site so that everyone could see it.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2017, 03:59:41 PM »
Sorry for the duplicate post. I wonder why it happens. Maybe this is some kind of bug.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2017, 04:18:04 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Let us look at the Genesis 1:1-5 verses again:

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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

And there was evening and there was morning.  It seems quite clear that the text is talking about light on planet earth, or on planets in general that orbit stars.  I just don't see your argument as a clear-cut proof, akhi.  I don't think the light that GOD Almighty "let be" is the Light of all the Universes.  I don't see that in the text.  You do not want to turn off Jews and Christians and lose credibility with them.  You don't want to come across as desperate.  The Bible is corrupt.  But I wouldn't use gray areas like this as proof.  I would use numbers and clear-cut statements.



Rogue Earth:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep...."

Like I said in my previous post, akhi, this could be referring to a planemo earth (rogue earth that wasn't orbiting any star).  And the Glorious Quran does support this possibility:

www.answering-christianity.com/was_earth_a_planemo_planet.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links




Without Form:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep...."

This could possibly be referring to the pre-iron age of earth.  Both the Glorious Quran and science confirm that iron was sent down to earth.  And science has proven that iron has massively altered earth almost in its entirety, and was also responsible for creating our moon from earth's rock-debris:

www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2017, 04:44:41 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Let us look at the Genesis 1:1-5 verses again:

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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

And there was evening and there was morning.  It seems quite clear that the text is talking about light on planet earth, or on planets in general that orbit stars.  I just don't see your argument as a clear-cut proof, akhi.  I don't think the light that GOD Almighty "let be" is the Light of all the Universes.  I don't see that in the text.  You do not want to turn off Jews and Christians and lose credibility with them.  You don't want to come across as desperate.  The Bible is corrupt.  But I wouldn't use gray areas like this as proof.  I would use numbers and clear-cut statements.



Rogue Earth:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep...."

Like I said in my previous post, akhi, this could be referring to a planemo earth (rogue earth that wasn't orbiting any star).  And the Glorious Quran does support this possibility:

www.answering-christianity.com/was_earth_a_planemo_planet.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links




Without Form:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep...."

This could possibly be referring to the pre-iron age of earth.  Both the Glorious Quran and science confirm that iron was sent down to earth.  And science has proven that iron has massively altered earth almost in its entirety, and was also responsible for creating our moon from earth's rock-debris:

www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Brother Osama, you seem to not actually read my posts.

I literally said:

"That according to the bible light was created on day 1 and sun was created on day four, so we have two possibilities here either the word "light" is referring to morning on earth, or either it's referring to the actual light that was formed 200,000 : 300,000 years later after the big bang, but in the two cases the bible is wrong. Here's why:


1.If it's referring to morning on earth, then it's wrong because the sun was created on day 4 while light was created on day 1.
2.If it's referring to the actual light was formed after the big bang, then it's also wrong because according to the bible light was created after earth, but we know that earth began to form 9.1 millions later after big bang, which is definitely is millions of years after light was formed.


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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2017, 05:07:47 PM »
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1.If it's referring to morning on earth, then it's wrong because the sun was created on day 4 while light was created on day 1.

Not necessarily, akhi.  This is where you and I are disconnecting.  Light already existed.  The creation of our sun on day 4 doesn't mean that light didn't exist on the days before that.  The verses simply speak about light on earth, or on planets in general.  Again, evening and morning and day and night.  All of these deal with cycles of planets around their suns.

So in other words, earth could've been brought to the sun on Day #4 to have light shine on it after it was a stray planet.  This is where the planemo earth theory comes in.  And it seems that both the Bible and the Glorious Quran support it.

Am I still missing it here?

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2017, 05:32:42 PM »
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1.If it's referring to morning on earth, then it's wrong because the sun was created on day 4 while light was created on day 1.

Not necessarily, akhi.  This is where you and I are disconnecting.  Light already existed.  The creation of our sun on day 4 doesn't mean that light didn't exist on the days before that.  The verses simply speak about light on earth, or on planets in general.  Again, evening and morning and day and night.  All of these deal with cycles of planets around their suns.

So in other words, earth could've been brought to the sun on Day #4 to have light shine on it after it was a stray planet.  This is where the planemo earth theory comes in.  And it seems that both the Bible and the Glorious Quran support it.

Am I still missing it here?

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Brother Osama, I think you're quite confused. Let me enlighten you.

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Not necessarily, akhi.  This is where you and I are disconnecting.  Light already existed.  The creation of our sun on day 4 doesn't mean that light didn't exist on the days before that.

Yes indeed, but if that's the case, then the bible is wrong because it implies that earth was created and was formless before light.

Brother Osama, Look.

1-The bible says that God created earth first and it was formless
2-Then the bible says that God created light

The is falsehood because light was created before earth even began to form.

Or

1-The bible is talking about morning.
2-According to the bible God created earth and it was formless.
3-God created morning on earth (light) on day one.



Then this is also wrong because there can be no day, or morning without sun, and sun was created on day 4.

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So in other words, earth could've been brought to the sun on Day #4 to have light shine on it after it was a stray planet.  This is where the planemo earth theory comes in.  And it seems that both the Bible and the Glorious Quran support it.

Could be, but won't change the fact that there's an obvious error in the bible.

I think it's clear now.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2017, 05:50:14 PM »
Brother Osama, if you are still confused then don't worry. Just add to your main page and people will be incapable of understanding it. It's not hard to understand, but perhaps your mind isn't accepting it.
I'm not trying to say that you're dumb. We all have different minds and thinking.




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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2017, 07:43:00 PM »
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Yes indeed, but if that's the case, then the bible is wrong because it implies that earth was created and was formless before light.

You said it yourself.  It implies.  This is what you think it meant.  Your case remains gray, not black and white.  It will turn off Jews and Christians by looking opinionated, bias and desperate.  I don't like dealing with gray arguments.  Sorry, I can't add it, akhi.  Call me dumb, but I can't add it.

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Re: A new scientific error in the bible!
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2017, 08:57:58 AM »
Okay, as you like, brother Osama.



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