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I've heard that Quran 2:79 is not really referring to the Jews, but the "ummi", the gentiles who write books, because the verse right before 2:78 is talking about people who don't know the book, writing the book.

Also the others say that the Quranic mensions of "distort the scripture" is "by their tongue". So they are not describing the written text being distorted, but the way they speak, they distort it.

If someone can show me that the context of this verse is referring to the Jews corrupting the scripture, that would be very helpful!  :)

If there is any new thing you could add, it would be helpful to me for native Arabic speakers like Osama to help prove that the Quran conclusively says the older scriptures were corrupted.

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Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2020, 06:27:21 AM »
"Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?"

Is there anything legitimate called "Bible" to begin with?  There is no Divine book called "Bible".  It's a man-made lie.  The Bible is no more than a book that contains collections of writings of people that were not the original Prophets and Disciples.  Even the Christian theologians declare this:

www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htm



Ironically, the very Bible itself also declares this:

www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htm


I've heard that Quran 2:79 is not really referring to the Jews, but the "ummi", the gentiles who write books, because the verse right before 2:78 is talking about people who don't know the book, writing the book.

Also the others say that the Quranic mensions of "distort the scripture" is "by their tongue". So they are not describing the written text being distorted, but the way they speak, they distort it.

If someone can show me that the context of this verse is referring to the Jews corrupting the scripture, that would be very helpful!  :)

If there is any new thing you could add, it would be helpful to me for native Arabic speakers like Osama to help prove that the Quran conclusively says the older scriptures were corrupted.


[002:078] And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

[002:079] Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.


Again, these Noble Verses confirm that there is nothing called "Bible".  It is a book of conjecture, false desires and lies.  Indeed, woe to them for what their hands do write.



Which Book is their book?

Notice Allah Almighty mentions His Book and their corrupt book that they fabricate.  Their Divine Book is the Laws that call for the Oneness of GOD Almighty, and the Laws that Allah Almighty called "burdens and shackles" (7:157) upon the Jews that Islam came to free them from:

www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm#no_abrogation



Like all previous Divine Books that Allah Almighty willed for them to be lost forever (ex: books of Ishmael, Noah and others), the people of the Book's "book" is no different.  It's original text too got lost forever.  However, the Divine Commandments still live.  Again, those are the BURDENS AND SHACKLES that Islam came to free them from.  What the Jews and Christians have is crookedness of false desires and conjecture.  This is why Allah Almighty said this about the Glorious Quran:


[018:001] Praise be to God, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:

[039:028] (It is) a Quran in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil.



So the Ultimate Book of the people of the Book is the Glorious Quran.  Not the pile of dung of praising boyfriend-girlfriend fornication in an incestuous-like description that is called "the Bible":

www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htm



Hope that helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2020, 05:06:13 PM »
Thank you very much Osama!

I've done my own analysis of this, and I've found a verse that conclusively and unambiguously confirms the bible has been corrupted:

[Quran 4:157] And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

In this verse, Allah is telling us that Jesus was actually never crucified, however, the bible states he was crucified. So we decisively deduce that therefore the bible has been corrupted as the original bible given to Jesus by God would not have included such lies. This is unequivocal evidence that the Quran teaches there was textual corruption of the bible.

The Quran teaches that it is the word of Allah, and Allah is thus speaking to us in this verse which leads us to necessarily deduce that the modern bible we have has been subject to textual corruption.

Now, the nonbeliever may claim that this verse was only written because the prophet Muhammad did not know what is in the bible and the prophet Muhammad made this mistake. First, this is circular reasoning on their behalf because they start out with the assumption that the Quran is written by the prophet Muhammad, and not Allah, but more importantly, Muhammad being the author of the Quran is a false statement and it is not what the Quran teaches. We are interested in what the Quran is teaching about the corruption of the bible. The Quran claims that it is the word of Allah, and thus when Allah speaks to us in verse 4:157, he is confirming to us conclusively and unequivocally that the bible has been corrupted.

Done. End. Resolved.

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Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2020, 04:41:47 PM »
Jazakum Allahu khaira brother,

Quran however, correct the errors of the bible in many Ayat:
http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/

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Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 11:48:46 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Here are two new articles that thoroughly go through the Noble Quran's Verses that prove the Bible is corrupt:

www.answering-christianity.com/which_book_recited.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/600_jewish_commandments_in_bible.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah