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Rebuttal to Quennel Gale

Challenge to Christians

By Abdullah Smith

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HE WROTE:

 

Osama Abdallah has enlisted the help of other Muslims on his website. One such Muslim is Abdullah Smith. In his list he has allegedly composed a series of practices that he believes Christians selectively follow. We will examine these practices and Mr. Smith’s comments while exposing his selective quoting and Islamic propagandists’ selective use of the Bible.

 

He Says:

 

I have compiled a list of verses that Christians neglect. They practice what is called ‘selective morality’ when it comes to the Bible. They choose verses and jam it down ours throats, and the rest they ignore and reject vehemently. Its about time we have exposed this truth about those who claim to be followers of Christ. They really don’t follow him at all. My comments are in red.

 

(1)   Do they fast like Jesus?      

                                                                                                    

When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18)

 

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. (Matthew 4:2)

 

And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. (Mark 9:29)

 

People had complained to Jesus saying, “Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?” (Luke 5:33). But Jesus replied that as long as he is with them his disciples should not fast, but after he is taken away then “they will fast in those days” (Luke 5:35).

 

So after they had fasted and prayed… (Acts 13:3)

 

* Christians do not fast; neither do they put oil on their heads. The disciples fasted like Jesus after his departure, and Muslims fast like them too!

 

Response:

 

First off Mr. Smith begins by poisoning the well and claims that Christians jam certain verses down Muslims’ throats while practicing selective morality.

 

RESPONSE:

 

Christians have been poisoning the well for 2000 years. The true followers of Jesus were not called “Christians” at first, they were collectively known as the Nazarenes and Ebionites, the headquarters was based in Jerusalem, not Rome. The verse Acts 11:26 state how the pagans ridiculed the early disciples of Jesus with insulting remarks such as “Christian”. This title was very offensive to the followers of the Way. (Acts 9:2, 19:23, 24:14, 22)

 

The first ‘Church’ was founded by James the brother of Jesus, prior to the existence of the Pauline Church. I suggest you study the history of Christianity to learn about the Nazarenes and Ebionites, who were the true Christians from Jewish descent, and they no longer exist today.

 

Jesus never said anything about Rome being the centre of his teachings. He never once traveled to Rome, his teaching were only meant for the Jews (Matthew 10:6, 15:24) and he ignored a Gentile women begging for help (Mark 7:25-28).

 

There is absolutely no evidence that Peter went to Rome, the Protestants do not believe Peter set foot in Rome. The 2nd century apocryphal fable called the “Apocalypse of Peter” records that Peter was ‘crucified upside down’, which is totally unhistorical.

 

Clement of Rome (d. 97) who was the first to write about the death of Peter and Paul, never mentioned his alleged crucifixion, the epistle of 1Clement only states that Paul was beheaded under Nero (64 CE) and Peter was “martyred at Rome”. There is no reference to ‘upside down crucifixion’.

 

Once again, I urge you to study how the Pauline Christians overtook the Jerusalem Church by power and control, gradually fixing Paul’s religion of “Christianity” throughout the Roman Empire.

 

By the 4th century, Christianity was firmly established from the roots of Paganism and Mithraism. At least two hundred years earlier, the ‘Jerusalem Church’ was defeated by the Paulians who are now called Christians, the doctrines of Paul replaced the Teachings of Jesus.

 

After the Jewish War (66-70 CE), the Nazarenes turned poor, they became known as the Ebionites which means ‘poor ones’. Jesus is recorded to have said Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3)

 

Furthermore, Jesus did not establish “Christianity” on earth.

 

“…The first difficulty is that the word ‘Christian’ is only encountered three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26, 26:28, Peter 4:16), and all three mentions occurred long after the ministry of Jesus. None of these three verses utilize the label ‘Christian’ in a context which bears the authority of Jesus or of God. In other words, Jesus never identified himself as a Christian and never proclaimed himself to have established Christianity on earth. In fact, while the word ‘Christian’ is encountered only three times in the Bible, the term ‘Christianity’ is nowhere to be found”. (Laurence B. Brown, The First and Final Commandment, p. 28)

 

Given the fact that there has never been in the history of the Torah (Old Testament) the religion of God to be named after a Prophet (i.e. Adaminity, Abrahamity, Mosanity, etc.), I hope to explain that Jesus did not preach the religion of Christianity, but a religion that gives all Praise and Worship to The One God. One of the questions I asked myself as I took an objective (second) look at Christianity was; where did the word Christianity come from and was the word ever mentioned to Jesus? Well, I did not find the word Christianity in the Bible, not even in a Bible dictionary. Specifically, I did not find in the Bible where Jesus called himself a Christian.  The word Christian was first mentioned by a pagan to describe those who followed Jesus. It is mentioned one of three times in the New Testament by a pagan and Jew in Antioch about 43 AD, (Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16) long after Jesus left this earth. To accept the words of pagans as having any value or association with divinity, Jesus or God is contrary to the teachings of all Prophets.  (Abdul Malik LeBlanc, The Bible Led Me to Islam)

 

 

Christians have abandoned the Mosaic Law because the Pauline Church requires them to have “faith only”. The Christians today ONLY follow what the Church tells them, not what the Bible says, therefore they practice selective morality. Anyone who questions the doctrines of the Church, even a small child, is strongly rebuked and told “just to believe”.

 

The Apostle Paul and his opponents in Galatia, who say, "Wait a minute, Paul told you a very simplified gospel, it makes it easy for you to become a member of this new group, but we know, after all, that if you're really going to be a real Christian, first you have to be a real Jew and that means, you have to be circumcised and you have to keep certain regulations out of the Torah. So Paul has not got it right. (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html)

 

I've always had doubts about "christianity", or should I say "CHURCHIANITY", since I was old enough to know how to tie my shoes. I never felt quite right at "church", and now I know why. When I look at "church" in a new light, that is, the light of the fraud (ahem) that it has turned out to be, and that it's all about power, control, and mostly money,   (A reviewer of The Bible Fraud,  Amazon.com)

 

 

Many Christian sects flourished by the 2nd century throughout Palestine and beyond, yet the Pauline Church succeeded with the support from the Roman Empire that overpowered the Jerusalem Church, founded by James the brother of Jesus. The “Christianity” brought by Paul is NOT the Gospel preached by Jesus, but the Gospel of Paul, which is the foundation of Christianity.

 

What is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?

The attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces it." (Albert Schweitzer, The Quest for the Historical Jesus)

 

There were very different views of Jesus in the various types of Christianity.... Perhaps the starkest contrast was among those who considered themselves as gnostic Christians, and those who considered themselves Christians in the old Pauline view of things. On the one hand, Paul, and Pauline Christianity, would have placed all of the emphasis on Jesus' death and resurrection, and the saving power of that death and resurrection. Gnostic Christianity, on the other hand, would have placed its prime emphasis on the message, the wisdom, the knowledge, the gnosis, that's where the word gnostic comes from, the Greek word for knowledge, the knowledge that Jesus transmits, and even the secret knowledge that Jesus transmits. So one would have on the one hand faith in the saving event of Jesus' life and death, and on the other hand knowledge as the great source of adherence to the Jesus movement on the other hand. (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html)

 

The point I am trying to make is that the early Jewish Christians, known as the Nazarenes and Ebionites, were the true Christians, they never practiced ‘selective morality’; they accepted the Torah as the complete embodiment of Jesus’ teachings. For example, Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21) but how many Christians are circumcised?

 

 

Jesus usually prayed in the synagogue. He prayed at appointed times each day, in the morning, at mid-day, and in the evening. The exact form of his prayer is no longer extant, but it is known that it was based on the prayer which Moses was given. Jesus said that he had come to uphold the Law and not to destroy it one jot or one tithe.

 

Jesus was educated in the synagogue in Jerusalem from the age of twelve. He preached in the synagogue. He used to keep the synagogue clean. No Christian today can be found performing these actions. How many Christians have even been circumcised in the manner that Jesus was?

 

The services now held in today’s churches were developed long after Jesus had disappeared. Many of them come directly from the pagan Graeco-Roman mythological rites. The prayers they use are not the prayers which Jesus made… Due to the innovations of Paul and his followers, there is no revealed teaching left as to what to eat and what not to eat.

 

Anyone given a “Christian education” today eats what he feels like. Yet Jesus and his true followers only ate kosher meat and were forbidden to eat pig’s flesh. The last meal Jesus is known to have eaten before his disappearance was the Passover meal. No Christian today celebrates this longstanding Jewish tradition to which Jesus so meticulously held.

(Muhammad, Ata-Rahim, Jesus Prophet of Islam, pp. 199-200)

 

Muslims are circumcised; therefore they are the true followers of Jesus.

 

 

YOU WROTE:

 

In reality, Muslims such as his friend Osama Abdallah are guilty of selectively using the Bible. One example is Muslims claiming that the Bible is corrupted while at the same time using the Bible as an accurate source when it helps prove their case.

 

RESPONSE:

 

Shabir Ally answers this question:

 

It is wrong and dishonest to quote anything or any book out of context, whether it be the Bible or the Qur'an. No Muslim should resort to such an approach. God wants us to spread the truth by honest means only. Having said that, it should also be said that Muslims, Christians and Jews do not believe in every single thing that the Bible says. No reasonable person can do that.

I Samuel chapter 17, verses 23 & 50 says that David killed Goliath. II Samuel 21:19 says that Elhanan killed Goliath. I Chronicles 20:5 says that Elhanan killed not Goliath but the brother of Goliath whose name is given as Lahmi. Obviously, no reasonable person should believe all three reports.

Knowing this, the editors of the King James Bible decided to fix this problem by making a slight correction to the Bible. They inserted three words in II Samuel 21:19 to make it say there also that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath. You will notice that the three words the brother of appear there in italics to distinguish them from the rest of the Bible.

The Interpreter's One Volume Commentary on the Bible calls this a "conflict of tradition about Goliath" (p.179; see also p. 212). It says further that the author of Chronicles changed the story where it said that Elhanan killed Goliath to make it say that Elhanan killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath. The same commentary says further that the statement in I Chronicles is "incorrect" (p. 180). So here we have a Bible commentary written by Christians, published by Christians, and sold in Christian bookstores - yet it openly disagrees with a statement in the Bible. This was done not because Christians wanted to disbelieve in the Bible, but because they had to choose, among different statements in the Bible, which statement is more believable.

Now, this approach to the Bible does not mean that Christians cannot refer to the Bible or quote from it or write commentaries on it. Likewise for Muslims. Although Muslims, like their Christian and Jewish neighbors, do not believe in every single thing the Bible says, students of comparative religion should be allowed to study both the Qur'an and the Bible. Every honest student, however, will pay close attention to the context of what he or she reads, and apply scrupulous exactitude when quoting from either book.

May God help us and guide us all to understand His true message regardless in which book that truth is contained. (Common Questions People Ask About Islam, p 24-25)

 

 

You have missed the point. I was conveying the absolute truth about the behavior of Christians; the ‘selective morality’ they practice is confirmed by how they live today. Christians only follow what the Church says; but their Scriptures contain many Laws that are neglected, especially in the Old Testament, just because their Jewish.

 

With the teaching by some, notably Paul, that the laws of the Jews need not to be followed by a Christian, contradictions began to arise between the body of newly-written Scriptures, which later became known as the “New Testament”, and the Old Testament. However, the Old Testament was retained by the established Church in spite of these contradictions, since an outright rejection of the Old Testament would have been regarded by many of the people as a rejection of Jesus himself. Confusion was the inevitable result. In the attempt to accept and reject the Old Testament simultaneously, contradictions arose within the New Testament itself, since it had to be “new” without openly rejecting the old. But, in the early days of the Church, there was no real attempt to formally arrange the books and ensure that all the accounts and doctrines tallied with each other. The leaders of the first Christian communities were free to use their discretion and to refer to those Scriptures which they thought best contained the teachings of Jesus. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam, 1992 edition, pp. 46)

 

 

READ THIS:

 

Christians reject the prohibition of wine (Proverbs 4:17, 20:1, Isaiah 28:7, Joel 1:5, Hosea 4:11) and the consumption of swine
(Leviticus 11:7-8, Deuteronomy 14:8-9), getting tattoos (Leviticus 19:28), making “Christmas” trees (Jeremiah 10:1-4) the law
of Circumcision (Genesis 17:14) the observance of the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 21:14) and the death penalties are rejected 
(Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 24:16)., etc. 

 

The Bible teaches that rebellious children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) yet Christians obviously ignore this, they vehemently reject it!

 

Please visit:

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/125/52.0.html

 

http://www.biblegems.com/SPANKINFO.HTM

 

The Church has legalized same-sex marriage, yet this law contradicts the Bible. Nowhere do we find same-sex marriage in the Bible. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

 

www.christianweek.org/stories/vol14/no19/story1.html

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4651803.stm

 

 

 

Christians have debunked their Scriptures by rejecting them. Why did the Church legalize same-sex marriage? It’s because they are NOT the followers of Jesus. Such ideas are repugnant to the human mind.

 

 

Now for your claims about the Bible!

 

The Bible itself says it’s corrupted (Jeremiah 8:8) and the Church Fathers testified that many contradictions exist in the Bible.

 

The truth of these matters must lie in that which is seen by the mind. If the discrepancy between the Gospels is not solved, we must give up our trust in the Gospels, as being true and written by a divine spirit, or as records worthy of credence, for both these characters are held to belong to these works. (Origen, Commentary on John, Book X)

 

In the early 2nd century, the Gnostic leader Marcion (d. 140 CE) wrote a book entitled ‘Antithesis’ which exposes many contradictions between the Old and New Testament on the nature of God. Marcion believed that the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of the New Testament; he justifies this claim by citing verses that portray the Old Testament God as Evil and the New Testament God as Loving. Such contradictions cannot be resolved.

 

The Creator God is inconsistent, in respect of persons, sometimes disapproving where approbation is deserved; or else lacking in foresight, bestowing approbation on men who ought rather be reprobated, as if he either censured his own past judgements, or could not forecast his future ones.

With fickleness and improvidence he repented, or on some recollection of some wrong-doing, because the Creator actually says "It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king" (1 Samual 15:11), his repentence in the sense of an acknowledgement of some evil work or error. This is also the case in the matter of the Ninevites, when the Book of Jonah (3:10) states,
"And God repented of the evil that he had said he would do unto them; and he did not."

The Creator called out to Adam, "Where art thou?" as if ignorant of where Adam was; and when Adam alleged that the shame of his nakedness was the reason for hiding himself, the Creator inquired whether he had eaten of the tree, as if he were in doubt (Genesis 3:9-11).

In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, he says "I will go down now, to see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it which is come to me; and if not, I will know"; another instance of his uncertainty in ignorance.

The Creator God was even mean enough in his very fierceness, when, in his wrath against the people for their consecration of the golden calf, he makes this request to Moses: "Let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them; and I will make thee a great nation" (Exodus 32:10). Moses is better than his God, as the deprecatur and indeed, the averter of his anger, "For Thou shalt not do this; or else destroy me along with them" (Exodus 32:32).

(MARCION)

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Christians do exactly the same, they use the Quran selectively and simultaneously disregard the book, and Muslims only quote certain passages that support their argument.

 

 

YOU WROTE:

 

Furthermore, Mr. Smith is totally wrong about Christians not putting oil on their heads before a fast. Churches across the world use “olive oil” as “blessed oil”, before many major prayers and fasts. I am really disappointed in Mr. Smith for bringing this charge up because apparently he has never attended a Church in his life!

 

 

RESPONSE:

 

Listen, even if Christians “put oil on their heads” as you claim, they still pray to statues of Jesus, which is the gravest sin (Al-Quran 4:48, 6:22, 7:191, 9:31, 10:18, ) associate partners with God by worshipping “intercessors”, and NEVER pray to God physically. (Numbers 20:6, Psalms 95:6)

 

You did not tell us which Churches use this “sacred oil” There are many Churches around the world that follow their own Canon of Scripture:

 

 

(1)   Anglican Church

(2)   Armenian Church

(3)   Coptic Church

(4)   Ethiopic (Abyssinian) Church

(5)   Greek Orthodox Church

(6)   Protestant Church

(7)   Roman Catholic Church

(8)   Syriac Church

 

The Churches in the United States are mostly Protestant and Catholic, if they use the “sacred oil”, then which Church does not practice this ritual?

 

 

The Bible teaches the physical worship:

 

 

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isaiah 45:23)

 

 

The Roman Catholics worship Jesus, Mary, the Father, the Holy Ghost, and multiple saints! How many gods is that? How many intercessors?!

 

 

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. (Matthew 6:24)

 

 

I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. (John 13:16)

 

 

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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