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As-Salamu 'Alaykum dear brothers, I saw a Youtube video of someone reading this verse to prove that the comforter is not Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). What do you think this verse means? Jazakum'Allah Khair.
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As-Salamu 'Alaykum dear brothers, I saw a Youtube video of someone reading this verse to prove that the comforter is no Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). What do you think this verse means? Jazakum'Allah Khair.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Prophet Jesus said that he'll send the comforter to come after him, and the comforter will teach men all about the Faith of GOD Almighty.  Christians say it's the Holy Spirit.  But the Holy Spirit was already with them and also inspiring them.

I was thinking about this the other day, and there are two possible answers to the comforter:

1-  He is either a human-Prophet, since Christ said that he'll be a Spirit, and human-Prophets are called Spirits in the Bible.  If this is the case, then he would undoubtebly be Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  He wouldn't be Paul, because Paul went against Christ, and he was even called a false apostle by some of the disciples and followers.  Plus, he never claimed that he was prophesied to come by Christ.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/god_kingdom.htm

In the second link, we have the following from the Lord Jesus Christ to the Jews:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.  (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

And here "Kingdom of God" is not just referring to the Heavenly Kingdom.  In fact, from the context it is more referring to the One Religion, and Covenant and the earthly System that will lead Mankind to GOD Almighty, Righteousness and Piety.  This One Religion and System is Islam.  And Islam is the Original Faith and the One Religion of GOD Almighty to mankind, even according to the Bible's Scriptures.

Another point worth mentioning here also from the context, is that the nation here is a stranger one.  Jesus didn't say "my nation" or "my followers" or "my people".  No, he spoke of an outside nation, a different nation than what they have.  And we know from the Bible how Prophet Muhammad was foretold, and even the Path to Mecca (Makkah) was called "The Path of Holiness"The lands of Kedar.  Please also visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35

2-  Or he is probably a Word like Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him.  Jesus was created from the Word of Allah Almighty, and so is also the Holy Quran.  So if Christ was referring to the Holy Quran, then would also fit well.  And it would also fit Prophet Muhammad being part of that Comforter Package, because he is the Messenger whom the Holy Quran was sent to.

These are just thoughts that I had.  I look forward to the other brothers and sisters' inputs.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Bump, more information on this please. Sorry to bother you brother Osama.

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Bump, more information on this please. Sorry to bother you brother Osama.

Please bump all you want, my beloved brother in Islam :).  You never bother me akhi, and please don't even worry about giving it a second thought.  Bump all you want :).  In fact, I get energized by these reminders, and I want to really really thank you for them!  I've had some great threads here because of the energy that you pump into it akhi.  All Praise are due to Allah Almighty.

As to this point, I'll get to it probably tomrrow, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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AsalamuAlaikum,

Insha'Allah this will help. Source : www.quranproject.com



New Testament Prophecy

John 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.
In this verse, Jesus promises that another Comforter will appear, and thus, we must discuss some issues concerning this Comforter.
The Greek word paravklhto,ho parakletos, has been translated as Comforter.Parakletosmore precisely means one who pleads anothers cause, an intercessor.Theho parakletosis a person in the Greek language, not an in corporealentity.  In the Greek language, every noun possesses gender; that is, it is masculine, feminine or neutral.  In the Gospel of John, Chapters 14, 15and 16 theho parakletosis actually a person.  All pronouns in Greek must agree in gender with the word to which they refer and the pronounhe is used when referring to theparakletos.  The New Testament uses the wordpneuma, which means breath or spirit, the Greekequivalent ofruah, the Hebrew word for spirit used in the Old Testament.Pneumais a grammatically neutral word and is always represented by the pronoun it.
All present day Bibles are compiled from ancient manuscripts, the oldest dating back to the fourth century C.E.  No two ancient manuscripts are identical.All Bibles today are produced by combining manuscripts with no single definitive reference.  The Bible translators attempt to choose the correct version.  In other words, since they do not know which ancient manuscript is the correct one, they decide for us which version for a given verse to accept.  Take John 14:26 as an example.  John 14:26 is the only verse of the Bible which associates theParakletoswith the Holy Spirit.  But the ancient manuscripts are not in agreement that the Parakletosis the Holy Spirit.  For instance, the famous Codex Syriacus, written around the fifth century C.E., and discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai, the text of 14:26 reads; Paraclete, the Spirit; and not Paraclete, theHoly Spirit.
Muslim scholars state that what Jesus actually said in Aramaic represents more closely the Greek wordperiklytoswhich means the admired one. In Arabic the word Muhammad means the praiseworthy, admired one. In other words,periklytosisMuhammad in Greek.  We have two strong reasons in its support. First, due to several documented cases of similar word substitution in the Bible, it is quite possible that both words were contained in the original text but were dropped by a copyist because of the ancient custom of writing words closely packed, with no spaces in between.  In such a case the original reading would have been, and He will give you another comforter (parakletos),the admirable one (periklytos).  Second, we have the reliable testimony of at least four Muslim authorities from different eras who ascribedadmired, praised one as a possible meaning of the Greek or Syriac word to Christians scholars.
The following are some who attest that the Paraclete is indeed an allusion to Prophet Muhammad,
TheFirst Witness

Anselm Turmeda(1352/55-1425 C.E.), a priest and Christian scholar, was a witness to the prophecy. After accepting Islām he wrote the book,Tuhfat al-arib fi al-radd ala Ahlal-Salib.
TheSecond Witness

Abdul-Ahad Dawud, wasthe former Rev. David Abdu Benjamin Keldani, BD, a Roman Catholic priest of theUniate-Chaldean sect..  After accepting Islām, he wrote the book,Muhammad in the Bible.  He writes in this book: There is not the slightest doubt that by Periqlyte, Prophet Muhammad, i.e. Ahmad, is intended.
TheThird Witness

Commenting on the verse where Jesus predicts the coming of Prophet Muhammad:
a messenger who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad
Qurān 61:6
Asad explains that the word Parakletos:
[it] is almost certainly a corruption of Periklytos (the Much-Praised), an exact Greek translation of the Aramaic term or name Mawhamana.  (It is to be borne in mind that Aramaic was the language used in Palestine at the time of, and for some centuries after Jesus and was thus undoubtedly the language in which the original - now lost - texts of the Gospels were composed.) In view of the phonetic closeness of Periklytos and Parakletos it is easy to understand how the translator - or, more probably, a later scribe - confused these two expressions.  It is significant that both the Aramaic Mawhamana and the Greek Periklytos have the same meaning as the two names of the Last Prophet,Muhammad and Ahmad, both of which are derived from the Hebrew verb hamida (he praised) and the Hebrew noun hamd (praise).
Holy spirit or Prophet?
Why is it important?  It is significant because in biblical language a spirit,simply means a prophet.
Beloved, believe note very spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
It is instructive to know that several biblical scholars consideredparakletosto be anindependent salvific (having the power to save) figure, not the Holy Ghost.
Let us further study whether Jesusparakletos, Comforter, was a Holy Ghost or a person (a prophet) to come after him?  When we continue reading beyond chapter 14:16and chapter 16:7, we find that Jesus predicts the specific details of the arrival and identity of theparakletos.  Therefore, according to the context of John 14 & 16 we discover the following facts.

1.Jesus said the parakletos is a human being:

John 16:13 He will speak.
John 16:7 for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.
It is impossible that the Comforter be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost was present long before Jesus and during his ministry.
John 16:13 Jesus referred to the paraclete as he and not it seven times, no other verse in the Bible contains seven masculine pronouns.  Therefore,paracleteisa person, not a ghost.
2.Jesus is called a parakletos:

And if any man sin, we have an advocate(parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (1 John 2:1)
Here we see that parakletos is a physical and human intercessor.
3.The Divinity of Jesus a later innovation:

Jesus was not accepted as divine until the Council of Nicea, 325 C.E., but everyone, except Jews,agree he was a prophet of God, as indicated by the Bible:
Matthew 21:11 ...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Luke 24:19 ...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.
4.Jesus prayed to God for another parakletos:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another parakletos.
5. Jesus describes the function of the other Parakletos:

John 16:13 He will guide you into all the truth.
God says in the Qurān:
O mankind!  The Messenger has now come unto you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you
Qurān 4:170
John 16:14 He will glorify Me.
The Qurān brought by Muhammad glorifies Jesus:
[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God].
Qurān 3:45
The Prophet Muhammad also glorified Jesus, Hesaid Whoever testifies that none deserves worship except God, who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger, and that Jesus is the servant of God, His Messenger, and His Word which He bestowed in Mary, and a spirit created from Him, and that Paradise is true, and that Hell is true, God will admit him into Paradise, according to his deeds.
John 16:8 he will convince the world of its sin,and of Gods righteousness, and of the coming judgment.
The Qurān announces:
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with God - God has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire.And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Qurān 5:72
John 16:13 he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak.
The Qurān says of Prophet Muhammad:
Nor doeshe speak from [his own] inclination.It is not but a revelation revealed.

Qurān 53:3-4
John 14:26and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The words of the Qurān:
while the Messiah has said, O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.
Qurān 5:72
reminds people of the first and greatest command of Jesus they have forgotten: The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:29)
John 16:13 and He will disclose to you what is to come.

The Qurān states:
That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal, [O Muhammad], to you
Qurān 12:102
Hudhaifa, a companion of Prophet Muhammad, tells us: The Prophet once delivered a speech in front of us wherein he left nothing but mentioned everything that would happen till the Hour (of Judgment).
John 14:16 that he may abide with you for ever.
meaning his original teachings will remain forever. Muhammad was Gods last prophet to humanity. His teachings are perfectly preserved. He lives in the hearts and minds of his adoring followers who worship God in his exact imitation. No man,including Jesus or Muhammad, has an eternal life on earth.Parakletosis not an exception either. This cannot be an allusion to the Holy Ghost,for present day creed of the Holy Ghost did not exist until the Council of Chalcedon, in 451 C.E., four and half centuries after Jesus.
John 14:17 he will be the spirit of truth...meaning he will be a true prophet, see 1 John 4: 1-3.
John 14:17 the world neither sees him...
Many people in the world today do not know Muhammad.
John 14:17 ...nor knows him
Fewer people recognise the real Muhammad, Gods Prophet of Mercy.
John 14:26 the Advocate (parakletos)
Prophet Muhammad will be the advocate of humanity at large and of sinful believers on Judgment Day.People will look for those who can intercede on their behalf to God to reduce the distress and suffering on the Day of Judgment.  Adam, Noah, Abraham,Moses and Jesus will excuse themselves. Then they will come to the ProphetMuhammad and he will say, I am the one who is able.  So he will intercede for the people in the Great Plain of Gathering, so judgment may be passed.  This is the Station of Praise God promises Him in the Qurān:
It may be that your Lord will raise you to the Station of Praise (the honour of intercession on the Day of Resurrection)
Qurān17:79
The Prophet Muhammad said:My intercession will be for those of my nation who committed major sins.and I shall be the first intercessor in Paradise

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Thank you very much brother Osama for telling me I can bump :3, and to brother ThatMuslimGuy; thank you so much for that beautiful, useful information. :D