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As-Salam Walekum
Did Jinn=Bacteria? Check these
links
http://thoughtofnasir.blogspot.in/2012/03/concept-of-jinn-in-islam-purely.html
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_3.html
and also the word Jinn means unseen and we cant see bacteria with naked eyes. WARNING:THESE WEBSITES ARE AHMADDIYAH WEBSITES!!
and
http://www.google.com/m?q=bacteria+can+control+human+brain
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bloody ahmadias, anyway, what ? jinn-bactiria ?? but wait iblis was a jinn was he a bactiria ? i dont think so, bloody NWO infiltrators they seek to corrupt islam
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what ? jinn-bactiria ?? but wait iblis was a jinn was he a bactiria ?
Thanks for replying brother, may be Jinn have a different form in Paradise and a different form on Earth any way i think it so because a hadith actually many hadiths say that Satan or Jinn can enter your body through Mouth or Nostrils, they fed on death metarial and Satan or Jinn circulates in the blood. And may be they can take an other form after going outside earth. Quran says that they are formed of smokeless fire and i read in a article that the first bacteria evolve after landing of a meteor and meteor have fire but not a much smoke. Any way i could be wrong. Thanks
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That makes about as much sense as a banana riding a tricycle !
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you know, it does make sense, i always thought of the jinn beign normal creatures living like us on this world, and they also have their own ways of passing their free time if you know what i mean ;D
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That makes about as much sense as a banana riding a tricycle !
Thanks for replying akhi. well, I really do not understand what you mean. Can you explain this?
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Thanks for replying akhi. well, I really do not understand what you mean. Can you explain this?
Jins = Bacteria (AKA germs) ? Yeah , with what Quran and Sunnah tell us about Jins , this DOES make sense as this :
http://i.imgur.com/s6i6Q.gif
No offense Tanveer .
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Thanks for replying akhi. well, I really do not understand what you mean. Can you explain this?
Jins = Bacteria (AKA germs) ? Yeah , with what Quran and Sunnah tell us about Jins , this DOES make sense as this :
http://i.imgur.com/s6i6Q.gif
No offense Tanveer .
Brother i do not say only germs but I say UNICELLULAR ORGANISMS. It just means that are small in size on the Earth.
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As'salamu Alaikum everyone,
I once read a (false?) hadith on the mouth of the Prophet, peace be upon him, where he said that the Jinns eat the dead bodies, and this is why they disappear after a few days. The Jinn ate them. The Prophet was asked about why dead bodies of creatures disappear.
Yet, the Glorious Quran Says that the Jinns were created from a smokeless fire:
[015:026] And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
[015:027] And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
?15:26 ???? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ?????
?15:27 ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??????
The problem with the false narrations from the hadiths collections is this, in my opinion:
1- Somebody had an idea that he strongly believed in with a passion (ex: jinn eat dead bodies), and he lied on the Prophet to legitimize or give authority to his belief to make it a widely acceptable fact. So in other words, with this lie, he would transform his opinion into a widely accepted fact.
2- Gossips from unknown sources made their way with fabricated chain or narrations into the hadiths.
3- Islam-hating liars and hypocrites injecting poisons into Islam. Examples:
(a)- The Prophet got bewitched by a Jew who stole a piece of his hair, sneezed on it, and hid it under a rock.
(b)- Aisha used to have her nieces and sisters breast-feed men so they would enter her house and have private sessions with her.
(c)- She-monkey stoning by other monkeys for adultery.
(d)- The dajjal was found chained in one Island. None of the Islands of the Middle East have any chained dajjal in them.
And on and on and on.... Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Walekum As-Salamu brother, Thanks for replying akhi. thanks for your information and Only bacteria and some other few microbes fed on dead bodies. I am thinking that may be the interpretetion of Jinn = Unicellular Organisms is somewhat right but i am confused. So, what is your opinion?
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I swear to the lord , Osama , if you bothered think it over a little you wouldn't have dared claim - just like that and with no proof - that this is forged or fabricated . There isn't even the slightest contradiction in this narration with the physical or logical possibilities . It says that Jins eat bones , is that physically or logically impossible ? We know animals who do eat the things with its flesh and bones like hyenas . Is it logically impossible ? Try and bring me one reason to say so .
So what is your problem with this narration ? Is it because we don't see them eat bones ? Do I need to remind everyone that Jins are from the world of the unseen ? And since Islam was proved with proof and evidence to be true , we believe what it says because it can't say something wrong . Do you think it doesn't make sense because we see bones remaining in their places for days and weeks and no Jins eat them ? Where in the world did you get the idea that ALL the bones around the world are eaten by Jins ?! It says it eats them , it doesn't say it eats ALL of them !
And do we REALLY need to repeat the thing about the bewitchment ? If you find it illogical , you need to say that Quran is illogical and exalted is Allah above that :
((????? ???? ???????? ? ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ????????))
So is it a fabrication too that the prophet of Allah , Moses peace upon him was bewitched ? And why is it impossible ? Aren't they humans ? And no , it didn't make them say a SINGLE wrong theing about the revelation . That's where "Isma" of the prophets is .
And the whole thing of breastfeeding the adult . First of all , there is no "Breast" feeding . This is caused by the lack of English compared to Arabic and thus false meaning when translated . And could you bother read some answers to that ? :
http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=200111
http://www.dd-sunnah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94123
And when we talk about the monkeys , didn't I give you a video of national geographic - or maybe another channel , not so sure - about monkeys stoning another for adultery ? Not to mention that this narration isn't from the words of the prophet peace upon him but rather a follower "Tabi'i" .
As for the false Christ "Dajjal" . I am actually SPEECHLESS ! So just because you didn't see him you deny his existence ?! What's with this arrogance ?! Do you think that your satellites can see everything and bring you the knowledge of everything ?! Did not they just discover a whole cave so big that it has its own climate ?! Where were the bloody satellites all this time ?
The problem here is the false idea that one's mind or intelligence is perfect and can never be wrong . So just because it couldn't understand "how" something - that isn't physically or logically impossible - happened , they deny it on the spot ! What's the difference between those and the others who deny the sea splitting for Moses peace upon him because their limited minds can't comprehend it ?
Oh , and it DOES happen that the sea splits in our time and life although not on the same scale but it still counts :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0dLMmoAU4Y
Quite honestly, I don't care even if the Prophet himself said it and was wrong. There are instances where the Prophet made wrong decisions.
You wouldn't have dared say this if you knew how dangerous it is . The prophet peace upon him is a human , right . He makes mistakes in the matters of life , right . But when it comes to the revelation , NOT A SINGLE CHANCE IN A MILLION YEARS !! Or do you disagree with Quran on this ?
((Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.)) The star .
Or with the prophet himself ?
???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ??????* ?????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???
And wither you had encounters with ignorants who didn't know how to answer you doesn't change a thing .
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UPDATE ON 05/07/2014:
- I want to apologize to brother "Black Muslim" for the harsh language that I said to him in this post, below. I was angry at what's happening in Syria, and the spirals that the Islamists are putting the Syrian nation through.
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother "Black Muslim",
Jinns are not flesh and blood. They can't eat our dust and water and flesh and blood materials.
Akhi, I read your sources and I am not convinced. The Noble Verse that you mentioned in Arabic by the way is about Prophet Moses' Miracle when he turned the stick into a snake. Peace be upon Prophet Moses. It doesn't say that he got bewitched or anyone got bewitched. Your forcing your cult's nonsense into the Holy Quran to justify the crimes that had been injected in your "Sahih" hadiths that wipe the floor with:
1- The Prophet of Islam.
2- Aisha, the Prophet's wife.
3- Claiming that the Holy Quran is corrupt, when Its Overwhelming Miraculous Text and Compilation and Miracles testify to the Holy Book's Divinity.
This sick and dumb Ummah needs to flush down the toilet for EVER AND FOR GOOD:
1- The shias.
2- The salafies.
Both of you are criminals! Not all of your followers. But this Ummah's problems come straight from both of your cults. Like everyone here sees, you're willing to wipe the floor with Islam to save your false narrations. This is not my Islam. Far be it from me.
You want to believe that Aisha used to have her sisters and nieces have their breasts get SUCKED BY GOWN MEN so she would become their "Aunt in Islam" and then have private sessions with them, then that's your BS. I reject such garbage, especially when Allah Almighty clearly Said in the Holy Quran that breast feeding is allowed only for the first 2 years. So a 3-year old child isn't allowed to breast feed, LET ALONE A GROWN MAN:
[002:233] And mothers shall give suck to their children for two whole years; this is for those who desire to complete the period of suckling. And the man to whom the child belongs shall be responsible for their (the mothers') maintenance and clothing according to usage. No soul is burdened beyond its capacity. Neither shall a mother be made to suffer on account of her child, nor shall he to whom the child belongs be made to suffer on account of his child and the same is incumbent on the father's heir. If they both decide upon weaning the child by mutual consent and consultation, there is no blame on them. And if you desire to engage a wet-nurse for your children, there shall be no blame on you, provided you pay what you have agreed to pay in a fair manner. And fear ALLAH and know that ALLAH sees what you do.
You want the wipe the floor with Islam and the Prophet of Islam for believing the poisonous lies about him got bewitched, then that's your nonsense and your problem. This is not my Islam. I don't believe a Jew (notice it's a Jew, not a pagan) stole a piece of hair from the Prophet, did abakadabra on it, then hid it under a rock and caused the Prophet to get bewitched for 1 full year is true. I believe it is a false lie injected into Islam.
They couldn't penetrate the Quran! So they invented books (your sahihs) and put them on the level of the Quran and injected all kinds of garbage in them. This is what happened. This is not my Islam. This is your cult's islam. To the reader, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I hope that you see the light someday, Insha'Allah.
And while we're at it. Has your cult been able to find the so-called chained dajjal in the "island"? They inspected all of the Middle East's Islands and found non. And so far, no Island in the entire world has any chained dajjal.
So the shias believe in:
1- A Mahdi that had been hiding in a basement for more than 1200 years now.
The salafies and other stupid ones from the Sunnis believe in:
1- A dajjal who is chained in an island and when his time comes, he'll break free from those chains and rise to rule the world. Do you have any update on his location??
I say this Ummah needs to flush both of your stupid cults down the toilet for ever and for good! Otherwise, we will always have the curse of sunni-shia upon us. If we want to move forward, then must lose both of you.
Again, they could not penetrate the Quran! To the reader, to see our Holy Book's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles, and also Overwhelming Miracles in Its Compilation and Complex Text, and the Miracle of Its Perfect Recitation as Allah Almighty exactly Promised, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
Regards,
Osama Abdallah
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ilir Ahmeti,
All of the stories of the Glorious Quran are 100% acceptable. If Allah Almighty Willed for a Miracle to happen, and it is mentioned in the Holy Quran, then there is no argument about it.
The problem is in the hadith collections. To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected. I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before. Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths? That's one million. I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there. Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000? That's six hundred thousand. So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?
I've already proven from the Holy Quran that the Prophet's Hadiths are supposed to "detail" the Holy Quran. So the Quran 100% supports this position. I don't understand what more hadiths do we need besides the Hadiths that explain:
1- The details of the Islamic rituals, such as how to pray, fast, do pilgrimage, what amounts to pay for zakat, etc...
2- The Moral Code of Islam, which I myself was able to extract 195 of those from the Holy Quran (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac22.htm#links).
I don't understand what else do we need from the Hadiths? Why so much collections? Like they say here in America: You've got the milk, why buy the cow??
Do you really need a cow in your apartment or house? Seriously, why have a vast collection of hate and divisions-generating hadiths and history when we could have a much better and simplified Islam that is more focused on Tawheed and Morality. Isn't that what Iman is based on?? How many Noble Verses that Command believing in Allah Almighty and doing good and being righteous exist in the Holy Quran? Countless!
Is that too much to ask? Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on? Do we need all of this rubbish? And do we need the false narrations that wipe the floor with the Prophet and Islam, and even insult Allah Almighty and the Glorious Quran? These last ones are my biggest problem. I gave ample examples at:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Do we need these absurdities in our religion? Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran, and injected all kinds of lies and poisons in them.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.
The hadiths are not filled with things that either agree or contradict the Quran. There are a lot of things that are not mentioned in the Quran. Example: tattoos are haram in hadiths, but they are not mentioned in the Quran. Now, should we reject it or not? If you say that we should reject it, you are being unscientific because experts of hadith have accepted it as authentic for centuries, based on strong criterions. If you say that we should accept it, this means that not all hadiths talk about things mentioned in the Quran. This means that your standard of selecting hadiths is wrong.
Like the dajjal (anti-Christ) example (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5943.html#msg5943) that we discussed before, and it was demonstrated that the dajjal here falls under the evil dominance of Israel where it will rule the earth in "Mighty Heights" ???? ????? of evil and power, the tattoos example could fall under the Islamic Morality that the Holy Quran detailed (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac22.htm#links). This is where we definitely need the Hadiths to help us detail and explain the Glorious Quran's Laws and Commands. And this is exactly what Allah Almighty Said the Hadiths should do:
[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.
Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm for the ample other Noble Verses and proofs.
So the Hadiths that deal with Morality could be categorized and be put under certain Quranic Laws. But the hadiths and narrations that contradict the Holy Quran (ex: the Prophet got bewitched, when the Holy Quran ASSURES THE MUSLIMS that Muhammad was not bewitched), they belong to the garbage.
It's like me saying I assure everybody here on this board that Ilir Ahmeti is a person who doesn't commit Zina (fornication). He is 100% clean from it. I give my vote for him to be the Admin of this blog. He WILL MAKE a great example for everybody. In him, there is a great example for all of you to follow. And then a week later Ilir Ahmeti is caught in bed with a prostitute! Do you see how stupid and irrelevant and ridiculous my statement and ASSURANCE would be??
To really understand what I am talking about here, I invite you to visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm. I know you might be too influenced by the cultists from either the sunni or shia side, but I am also one that studied the Hadiths a lot and read the entire Glorious Quran and analyzed It thoroughly. I can comfortably tell you that your cultists are dumb and ignorant about how Islam should be taught. Have they let the Glorious Quran lead Islam, and have everything follow the Quran instead of it being the other way around, and everything be filtered by the Quran, then much of the chaos that this pathetic Ummah is suffering would've been long gone. After all, did not Allah Almighty Say about the Holy Quran that It is "Muhaymin" ????? ("Has all Authority above all", or "the dominant Book with the Highest Authority")? See Noble Verse 5:48 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm).
And last and not least, there are not absolutes. Nothing is either all false or all true. Like the Bible, the Hadiths do contain Truth in them. But unfortunately, they also contain falsehood in them. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
And to the reader, to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,
Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks
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As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,
Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,
Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone. I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason. I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems.
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,
Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,
Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone. I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason. I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems.
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Thanks for your Understanding..
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So what now ? You'll ban me for inappropriate talk ? Check your own words again pal .
LOL. No. You're too cute to be banned. But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"?? Who is ranting here? Me or you?
Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths. Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah (saheeh books). Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam. A sick conspiracy against Islam that Muslims are finally waking up to.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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As to banning, I don't ban easily for it is a cowardly act to bully people, especially when you're holding the keys. I only banned two shia pests here because:
1- They were spreading lies on Islam.
2- One of them was draining the other members' times with his lengthy and spammy posts, while the other requested it himself.
Otherwise, I don't ban. You can tough talk me all you want. I take all the heat. LOL, owning this website from 1999 till now has made me immune pretty much all of the heat :). I don't get made easily, if at all even. So speak your mind freely, akhi "Black Muslim". As long as we don't use actual foul words towards each others, then please speak your mind. And when I get out of line and a brother or sister here calls me out on it, then I apologize if I am wrong.
And last and not least, I am commanded by Allah Almighty to be the most humble to Muslims: ".... kind and humble to the believers .... (The Noble Quran, 5:54)". So it is a must upon all Muslims, especially the ones who hold positions of authority of any sort, to be the most humble.
Plus the Glorious Quran also commands us to walk in humbleness on earth, and to be humble with all people. I've covered this at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm.
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"?? Who is ranting here? Me or you?
It is clearly you , both when it comes to manners and evidence .
Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths.
I don't know about this . But if it's true then it's true . It's not - AGAIN - physically or logically impossible . There are records of people memorizing a huge number of information . And if you take a look at this video - it has sources to what it says - then you'll see a guy able to memorize things the same as Google ! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r331mHLncyE
Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah
Nonsense with what evidence or proof ? Nothing . THAT'S the point . Your replies are full of "I don't believe" and you don't back up a thing at all with proof of it . They're mere speculations and delusions . Not to mention that these weak delusions can be used to attack Quran itself . You keep saying they couldn't corrupt Quran . What reason do you have to believe that ? Because it says it is preserved ? Any person can say it is corrupted based on your line of thinking . Us on the other hand believe it is with proof and evidence the same way as Sunnah .
Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam.
A lie with horns as we would say . It seems we talk to dead men when we say that Sunnah is the second revelation after Quran which explains it and doesn't contradict it except in the heads of the foolish .
And why did you ignore everything I said ? I quoted every related thing you said and answered it one by one . Your core problem is that you appeal to emotional authority over everything . You refuse things JUST because you "don't believe" them . And I explained time and time again that the error is in your way of thinking . But rather , you take your words for a standard instead of the words of Allah and his prophet . Everything you object about is possible on the two scales I keep repeating but you "don't believe" it because it doesn't make sense to you .
And as I keep saying , I take an insult directed at me with an ear and take it out with the other . I don't bother with them . However , when it comes to Allah , his religion , his prophet , and his companions , then you'll find me ruthless for sure .
And if banning someone is a cowardly act , ignoring them is as cowardly . My post is still here unanswered .
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Ok, since nothing of real substance was given here for rebuttal, and only emotional noise and emptiness, then I will end this debate from my end here. But I want to make it clear to the reader that I am not a Sunnah and Hadiths rejecter. These cultists are quick to make these empty assertions and noise, exactly like their empty cult that produces nothing but noise and filthy dirt. Here is an example of their filth:
Have you guys settled the breast feeding of adult men issue yet? Or are you still publically debating it? Do not your sources say that Aisha used to have her nieces and sisters have grown men breast feed from their breasts so she would become their Aunt in Islam, and have private sessions with them?
To the reader, visit the following link to see where I stand on the collections and why:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Until this Ummah flushes these cults, and the seculars along with them, down the toilet, not only it will never advance, but it will always suffer from their chaotic filth, exactly as we're seeing in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere.
Like I said: They couldn't penetrate the Quran! So they had to invent garbage and put it on the level of the Quran and damage Islam through it.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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I would advise brother BlackMuslim to be more respectful.
Again , insults against me pass as if they aren't there . But I would never remain silent while someone who's supposed to be a Muslim insults Allah and his prophet . Simple as that . If you want me to respect someone who does that , then the problem is with you . Not to mention how he went as low as to mention the disposals of the human body and such .
As for the acrobatic turn around Osama is making :
He's basically given a silly opinion about the breast feeding of adults from some salafi "scholars".
Go ahead , call us pure the same way the people of Lut peace upon him hated him and his family for that .
They said that the breasts feeding doesn't have to be by physical contact between the man's mouth and the breast's nipple.
And so does the Arabic language if you actually know it . See point 3 here :
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A&word=%D8%B1%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%B9
But from the debates I've seen between your "scholars", the woman who isn't even wet (she has dry breasts, because she didn't give birth) can still breast feed. Putting your mouth in the breast and sucking makes her your foster mother!
This , is one of the most ridiculous ways I've seen in avoiding questions and distracting the topic . It has NOTHING to do with the case we're talking about in any way . You're basically saying "Oh look ! These people made a mistake in a completely non related topic ! Thus you're wrong !" . And let us suppose that you are actually telling the truth , they'd be talking about infants who become related by breastfeeding even though there isn't any actual milk . What does THAT have to do with anything ? And if you can get rid of a small portion of this arrogance toward asking those who know , have a look here to understand the conditions for breastfeeding to make a person "Mahram" to the other :
http://www.fjr-aleman.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2022
Yet again , your reasons for denying anything is your ignorance of it and your personal preference . You just spam the "Conspiracy" like those loons and you can't back your empty claims with anything of scientific value .
But who cares about the Quran. It is secondary. Right "Black Muslims"?
I said I can take insults at me , but lying about me and putting words in my mouth about Islam is cheap and low and passing the line . Don't you agree , "Dead Man" ?
So again, until Muslims (Bleep) we will never advance.
This , is an extremely STUPID line . Probably one of the most stupid in this topic . You go on about how "I studied the whooooooole Quran and Hadith and no one knows better than me" but you fail horribly at showing any of that . What advancement ? The Islamic nation is the only one which knew glory when it held to its teachings . When they worked with these narrations you despise so much that you might die , they advanced and ruled the world with the rule of Allah . That's what Abu Bakr , Umar , Uthman , Ali , may Allah be pleased of them did . Your battle is against them . That's a losing battle .
I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .
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I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .
While I strongly disagree with you, but I still love you as my brother in Islam, akhi "Black Muslim".
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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The issue with the Jinn being bacteria is that Jinn are beings with free-will and conscious thoughts. Bacteria are not beings with free-will and conscious thoughts, therefore bacteria are not jinn.
I will quickly summarize a flaw in the 'science' of hadith collection and one important point in the collection of these fabrications. I would also like to remind everyone the Quran leaves absolutely NO room for that nonsense. Although Brother Osama takes a view that some hadiths are pointless, I take the view that there is NO other source besides the Quran. Brother Osama asserts that hadith are just supplements to the Quran and if they woudl only explain the Quran. Firstly the Quran makes no mention of that, secondly, even IF the hadiths would just agree with the Quran, then what is the point of following hadiths if all there valid contents are already in the Quran?
Now a quick run through of a flaw in the hadith (or shall I call it the telephone game or chinese whispers)
Flaw 1) The Quran says NOTHING or even mentions the hadiths or following them. If the Quran is the only source of law and says nothing of hadiths and tells us to not follow any other book, then following hadiths are not a commandment from Allah. And if you are a follower of hadiths you are NOT a Muslim (submitter). You disregarded Allah's strict commandment.
Flaw 2) The 'science' of hadiths is bad philosophy and hardly a science. First of all hadiths are chinese whispers, it is like the telophone game in elementary school where you whisper things to student and the student whispers to the next in the whole class. How often is the last whisper the same as the original? Secondly, the hadith collectors decided to collect hadiths and call them 'sahih' based on the character of the hadith whisper chain. Now the issue is, couldn't the fabricator also fabricate the chain of narrations. I could go on and on, but I will later.
Flaw 3) The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. The majority of these hadith are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not. Let us look at some of the famous hadiths collectors and what they collected.
- Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous "Musnad".He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabrications
- Bukhari collected about 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected .
- Moslem collected 300,000 hadiths and only accepted 4000 of them, and refused about 296,000, that is almost 99% of these collected hadiths .
This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door. Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His book which is described as the only authentic hadith, the only acceptable hadith and the best hadith.
IF that is how much corruption entered in the hadiths, then that should make you think about the nature of hadiths and how they are nothing more than fabrications. I'm sure Bukhari and Moslem are infallible and they would pick the right ones. LOL!! 700,000 hadiths, 99% corruption according to Bukhari. Again LOL ;D
What does the Quran say about that:
[Quran 6:112] And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent.
I believe that all of my beliefs are rational and reasonable. I am open minded and I would be 100% willing to dump a dead belief system. Hadiths are that belief system. You'd have to reach a new height in irrationality to believe in that nonsense even despite the Quran tells us NOT to.
Quran 69:40, 43-46 [That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger...And if Muhammad had made up about Us some sayings [besides the Quran],We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta.
^Muhammad can not make up ANYTHING about Islam/Allah. All he could say about Allah is what is in the Quran. Now you have some hadiths that say things like Jinn make babies cry or that Allah does this and does that and they are NOT in the Quran...
Unfortunately Muslims don't like to question their beliefs even though the Quran tells them to.
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As'salamu Alaikum everyone,
I have updated my response above with bacteria and hygiene major problems in the Bible's New Testament:
- http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1570.msg6160.html#msg6160
Brother Mclinkin, the Glorious Quran clearly says that the Hadiths came to explain the Glorious Quran:
- http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
I also updated the following post by issuing an apology to brother "Black Muslim", and I explained why I got out of line:
- http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1570.msg6175.html#msg6175
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Flaw 1) The Quran says NOTHING or even mentions the hadiths or following them. If the Quran is the only source of law and says nothing of hadiths and tells us to not follow any other book, then following hadiths are not a commandment from Allah. And if you are a follower of hadiths you are NOT a Muslim (submitter). You disregarded Allah's strict commandment.
Lie 1) . Quran DOES order us to follow the teachings and commands of the prophet peace upon him and the signs in that are numerous :
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So flat out , every single Muslim out there MUST know that it is obligatory to obey the prophet peace upon him in what Allah reveals to him . And if you're going to be stubborn and argue that we shouldn't obey him , then don't dare call yourself a Muslim . It isn't me who says so , it the noble Quran which you are most ignorant of :
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Flaw 2) The 'science' of hadiths is bad philosophy and hardly a science. First of all hadiths are chinese whispers, it is like the telophone game in elementary school where you whisper things to student and the student whispers to the next in the whole class. How often is the last whisper the same as the original? Secondly, the hadith collectors decided to collect hadiths and call them 'sahih' based on the character of the hadith whisper chain. Now the issue is, couldn't the fabricator also fabricate the chain of narrations. I could go on and on, but I will later.
Lie 2) . Your ignorance of Sunnah doesn't hold a value . And since you're so arrogant and full of yourself to ask those who know , I'll give you some fragments about this methodology to slap you with the fact that it is superior to your so called "science" .
First of all , that's a cheap , low , and pathetic attempt to compare the narrations to a school game . If that proves a thing , it proves that you're cheap . The worst is that you expect me to let it "slide" . And whenever I addressed this lie in the past , you ignored it the same way you ignore whatever breaks your back .
Now tell me : If narrating things one man after another isn't a good way - in fact , the best - to judge what's valid and what's not , what is ? You just use your ignorance of the basics of this method to justify your doctrine . Moreover , you use a load of ridiculous conspiracy theories which don't hold a candle to reality which is in turn based on ignorance . That's why I keep saying ignorance and arrogance are a dangerous combination . Just try to bring a methodology to view history and you'll see that it's a huge failure in comarison .
It is outright impossible for all these people living far from each other - one at Persia and the other at the current Tunisia ! - to agree on the same lie and tell it the same way . Whoever has this delusion has to prove it or shut it . You want to delude yourself and others that scholars would just take whatever anyone tells them without any varefication . And if you actually bothered to ask , you'd know that there are 5 conditions to accept a narration which are :
1) The connection of the chain . This means that if someone tells something about a person he can't prove he met - or died before he was ever born - then the narration is dropped at once . It means that a person must say clearly "That person told me" or "I heard that person say" or some other formats which you are too full of yourself to learn about . If he says "That person said" then it's called "Mu'allaq" and that is a type of weak narrations . This goes to show that every detail is important and not a game you play with your friends as in your lala world .
2) Justice of the narrators . This means that not anyone is accepted in narrating . They must be known by name (????? ?????) and honesty (????? ?????) . Even the slightest readiness of that person to lie deems him a liar , dropped (?????) or any other term . Not just lying , but also any form of sinful acts . And when all or a the majority of scholars who come from different and far places agree that a person is a liar , there is no meaning in anyone saying he isn't . Also , when all or the majority of scholars testiy for someone , accusing him out of thin air is meaningless . Not to mention that these scholars are testifyed for by others from all different categories of people .
3) Adjustment of narrators . It means that the narrators need to have good memory in what they talk about . When someone narrates the same thing the same way to different people at different times , that's a sign of a solid memory . Not just memory , but understanding as well . The narrator needs to understand what the narration says and comprehend it . Too many stumbles or mistakes deem him unworthy . Again , when all of the majority of scholars say that someone is adjusting well then there's is no value in saying otherwise .
And two more conditions , but this is quite enough for the topic righ now . The point is that you use your ignorance of something as an argument . There is nothing wrong with this science . Especially since it is Allah who put the bases to it :
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And although there is nothing superior to what Allah says , just have the words of Bernard Lewis
From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition. " Traditional science", as it was called, differed in many respects from modern historical source criticism, and modern scholarship has always disagreed with evaluations of traditional scientists about the authenticity and accuracy of ancient narratives. But their careful scrutiny of the chains of transmission and their meticulous collection and preservation of variants in the transmitted narratives give to medieval Arabic historiography a professionalism and sophistication without precedent in antiquity and without parallel in the contemporary medieval West. By comparison, the historiography of Latin Christendom seems poor and meagre, and even the more advanced and complex historiography of Greek Christendom still falls short of the historical literature of Islam in volume, variety and analytical depth
As for the absurdity of "Narrators could have fabricated chains" , even though the last points I made show that it's impossible for such a thing to go unnoticed , I'll play your game and ask : How do I know that Quran is from Allah and not an innovation of humans ? Because it says that it is from Allah ? Nah , that's circular reasoning . How do I know it wasn't altered or corrupted ? Because it says that it didn't ? Nah , circular reasoning again ? Because you believe there is a Da Vinci code in it that no one except you believes is there ? Hang on a second , how did the prophet of Islam - peace upon him - prove so to people from his time ? Speaking of which , how can I even know that there is a man called Muhammad - peace upon him - who lived 15 centuries ago and said he is a prophet ? Because all the people narrated so to us ? Because it is impossible for all these people to lie and agree on the same details ? Well that makes sense .
And of course I don't use this flawed logic but you are the one who tries to make it rational when you use it .
Flaw 3) The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. The majority of these hadith are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not.
Lie 3) . Spamming "The majority of these narrations are pure lies" might work when you argue with 3 years old or mentally challenged individuals , but not with someone who has the slightest bits of common sense . Not to mention that making allegations which have nothing to back them up only makes you look bad . I swear to lord if this conversation was at the monotheism forum they wouldn't let your allegations slide like this . They'd disect them one by one .
Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous "Musnad".He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabrications
Is this supposed to be a joke or what ? So Ahmad bin Hanbal - ???? ???? - was careul with narrations and wouldn't just accept anything told to him . And I can see what you're trying to do there - see what I did there ? - and again , it won't slide . He didn't just "think" they were lies and thus he refused them . He KNEW they were lies based on the methodology mentioned in the last point . And he didn't choose the authentic ones because thay "may" be so . He did so because he knew they are based on the methodology we keep telling you to learn about or shut up . Sure , he made a number of mistakes here and there which scholars combined noticed and didn't let pass simply but that's another point . The point here is that your line holds a value of zero . The same goes with Bukhari and Muslim - ?????? ???? - . You have SERIOUS flawsin understanding what the science of Hadith is . They collect narrations , judge their chains and bodies (????) , deem the authnetic authnetic , and warn people of the weak and fabricated and even make whole books for that . Yes , Bukhari has a book named the weak ones (???????) but you probably don't know . And whatever one of them may not notice is noticed by the rest . That's nearly the same as peer reviewed researches - wich pale in comparison - so why object ?
This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door. Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His book which is described as the only authentic hadith, the only acceptable hadith and the best hadith.
You'll make a joke of yourself when you say such a line while you just refused the best method there is to preserve history . And although it's true that the people of falsehood tried to corrupt it , it doesn't mean they succeeded . That's the same as the delusions of whoever believes aliens made us . Oh wait a minute , you believe in something similar but that's beside the point .
As for the "Open minded" thing , I'll take it as a joke and ignore it . So take some time and have even the smallest fraction of humblness to learn what you hate and despise in Islam so much .
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Brother Mclinkin, the Glorious Quran clearly says that the Hadiths came to explain the Glorious Quran:
- http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
I would have to disagree with you here.
It really only takes one verse:
Quran 45:6 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement other than Allah and His verses will they believe?
Let's break this verse down. The beginning of the verse talks about the Quran. THESE are the verses of Allah in which we recite to you in truth. It is speaking of the Quran. You MUST agree with this as any honest person would. A sentence later, Allah tells you in what statement other than THESE verses will YOU believe?
That means no other religious statement other than what is in THOSE verses can be believed.
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There are many eye-openers in the Quran that clearly point you away from hadiths. This is one of them:
"Say (O Muhammad), "What is the greatest testimony?" Say, "God is witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me to warn you with it and whomever it reaches." 6:19
This testimony which God describes as "Akbar Shahada" (the Greatest Testimony) commands Muhammad to testify that He received the Quran from God. This testimony speaks of only one revelation received by Muhammad from God which is the Quran. If Muhammad truly received other revelations from God (other than the Quran), would we not find any mention of it in the Quran? Would God hide the fact that He gave Muhammad a revelation independent of the Quran and then command us to obey it?
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Hello brother
Don't expect a "hi" in return .
The messenger is prohibited from adding his own teachings to the message he received from God
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It seems my words go in an ear and go out the other ! Quran is always your opponent :
Najm 1 By the star when it descends, 2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 4 It is not but a revelation revealed,
Nahl 43 And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know. 44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.
You claim is that the words "It was divine inspiration" indicate that every word spoken by Muhammad in his life time (or at least since he started receiving the revelation at the age of 40) is to be regarded as being divine inspiration. As a result of this false claim, you preach that all Muslims must obey every word spoken by the prophet, whether it is Quran or his personal sayings (hadith).
Really , you need to be slapped for constantly lying . The cheap and pathetic attempt you make to delude us that the teachings of the prophet peace upon him are his personal opinions won't be tolerated . That's first . As to the second point : HOW IN THE WORLD DOES YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS !? Who on earth understands this ?! We said that the teachings of the prophet peace upon him when it comes to religion are revelation . Who gave you the ridiculous idea that EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID is revelation ?! There is even a narration about this case :
http://abohobelah.blogspot.com/2013/01/blog-post_4803.html
From a linguistic point of view, we note that God says "In Huwa ila wahe yuha" 53:4 ..... this literally translates to (It is nothing but inspiration being inspired). the word "Huwa" is a key word in this verse, it literally means 'it', but that is not all. The word 'it' in English does not give a gender, 'it' could refer to a masculine or a feminine equally. However, in Arabic the word "Huwa" refers to the masculine (as opposed to the word Hiya which refers to the feminine). The word "Huwa" here refers to the Quran which is masculine in gender.
What all this means is that in this verse, God is specifically speaking about the inspiration of the Quran to Muhammad. God is not speaking about every word uttered by Muhammad!!
I give you zero out of ten in comrehending . You don't just go against the way an entire body of scholars through history understood Quran , you think you outsmart them in a language you fail at . These are 3 explanations by Ibn Uthaimeen , Assa'di , and Ibn Katheer . And none of them supports you :
http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/books/printer_17822.shtml
http://www.imadislam.com/tafsir/053_01.htm
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And I suppose that "???"=revelation is feminine ?! I suppose ????=Hadith is feminine ?! Stop trying to sound smart with Arabic , it doesn't help you in any way .
So you bring up Quran 16:44 again??
You are still missing the point!
you are still turning a blind eye to the command in 45:6
please read this verse again where God prohibits us from following ANY hadith other than the Quran.
why do you ignore this command?
"These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?" 45:6
For the gazillionth time , trying to delude people with changing the translation into "Hadith" to support your ideology means nothing . And for the gazillionth time , you ignore the fact that Sunnah IS a revelation from Allah . THAT'S the point which I won't let you shove aside .
1- We are told in the Quran that it is God who explains the true meaning of the Quran:
"Al-Rahman, He teaches the Quran" (55:1-2)
If we take it with this premetive way of view as you do we'd be accusing Allah of contradicting . Exalted he is from what you describe !
16:44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.
Not to mention that you rejectors contradict Quran AND yourselves in your explanations of Quran . Just as Allah says :
22:8 And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening book [from Him],
2- The prophet was commanded to follow the recitation of the Quran, but was also reminded that it is God who explains the Quran:
Explain it through what or who ? It doesn't matter how much you try to make your way out of this . Without the prophet peace upon him explaining Quran anyone can say whatever the hell they want and THAT'S what's happening . And with this - again - premetive way of viewing the sign , it's as if you're saying Allah talked to people and explained Quran to them directly !!! Exalted he is from what you describe !
3- The Prophet Muhammad was commanded by God to tell the people that he cannot guide them:
I take it back , I give you 1 in comprehending , in negative of course . Not only does this have nothing to do with the case , you completely don't know what you're talking about . Do you understand the differences between the kinds of guiding ? Check point 2 here if you don't :
http://www.alukah.net/sharia/0/21793/
Why is it so difficult to believe all the words of God which I showed you?
Do you want to be sorry on Judgement day and say I wish I did not let my ego blind me from the truth?
That's my line blind man .
LIES! The Quran does not tell us in ONE verse to follow another revelation besides it.
I won't repeat it for you . If it's difficult for all that information to get to you , I'll let people judge . Time is more precious than spending it arguing about basic teachings of Islam .
EXACTLY! The issue with the Quran is it did NOT say that you need another source to properly understand the Quran! IN fact, it said quite the contrary!
Are we finally on the same page???
The fact is that I'm in a valley , and you're apparently on Saturn !
Let's assume for one second that I don't know the science of hadith. Didn't you list some components of the science and didn't I show you its flaws??
I listed a fraction of strong points in the science of Hadith which show that it isn't a play thing as you think . And all I got in return was objections full of "Maybe there's a conspiracy" and all that sort .
Where does the Quran tell us how to pray and when to pray?.....I KNOW you did not mean that. I know that you know where.
YES I meant it . And I can see what you're gonna say coming and I swear that without the teachings of the prophet peace upon him you'll be contradicting yourself and accusing the entire Muslim population of misguidance .
It has happened in the past, hasn't it? So why are the modern scholars immune?
Again , the cheap attempt of "It happened in the past" won't slide like that .
How about Christianity, huh? How did all these lies get past the scholars unnoticed?
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Did you SERIOUSLY just use Chrsitianity as a scapegoat ?! You just used the Bible which is full of unknown writers as a scapegoat ?! If you're so deluded as to put both at the same level then that's YOUR OWN PROBLEM ! Not to mention any theorist can claim the same about Quran using your logic .
A really good hypocrite would be hard to detect.....Secondly, you forgot about the role of people making honest mistakes in the hadith literature.
Your opponent is Quran . There's a whole lot of charecteristics hypocrites share and they can't go unnoticed . Any of them deem someone unworthy of narrating even if he's truly a Muslim . Explanation ? Even a Muslim may have some charecteristics of hypocrites and still be a Muslim . That however is a dangerous sign and not an excuse to keep them . As for holding to "They make mistakes" , again , such a mistake wouldn't pass an entire nation unnoticed . AGAIN , your opponent is the noble Quran :
4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.
Not to mention I can claim you are a hypocrite based on your logic .
So you didn't address my arguments against the 'science' of hadiths, you just said hypocrites are impossible to have existed. What a lie.
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It is rather cheap when you ignore every response to your speculations against Sunnah . What't cheaper is when you try to put words in my mouth . You have until the judgement day or until one of us dies to bring this line - or anything similar - out of any post I have :
"hypocrites are impossible to have existed"
And if you seriously have difficulties understanding what people say , I'll give you until the next post to try and figure out what I actually said and meant .
Again, you appeal to the ''whole nation'' crap.
So you finally decided to show your true colors huh ? Well Mr "Unnecesarry mentioning of the human body disposals" , your opponent again , and again , AND again is Quran itself :
4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.
Oh , and I know you'll be talking about the pictures I put . When you lie , put words in my mouth , ignore whatever kills your argument , you shouldn't be surprised .
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Where is your proof that sunnah is a revelation from Allah? None.
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Quran 45:6 "These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"
THESE are God's revelation that gets RECITED to you. So in what statement other than God and his revelation (Quran) will you believe?
Does this verse leave any room for the sunnah or does it make it clear that the Quran is the only statement you are to believe in?
I keep answering it day in day out but you seem to lack common sense and the basic understanding of BOTH Arabic and English . Indeed , we don't believe in anything after the signs and revelations of Allah . That includes Sunnah as it is a revelation of Allah as all these previous signs say clear as day . The prophet peace upon him doesn't innovate of his own in religion . That's your delusion .
I think it is over brother, You have lost.
So you're that eager to run away with your tail between your legs ? And again , I am no brother of an enemy of Islam like you . You miserable low life form went as low as to deem the entirety of the Islamic nation disbelievers destined to hell except the great you who will go to heaven . You've bee saying it about me all the time and I beared with it . But you crossed the line . This is war . There is no room for compromise or sweet talk .
1.) Leave your arrogance aside and accept Allah and the Quran
2.) Continue persisting arrogantly and await your humiliating punishment
83:34 So Today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers, 35 On adorned couches, observing. 36 Have the disbelievers [not] been rewarded [this Day] for what they used to do?
We will see who laughs linckin . And I swear it won't be you with your current twisted mentality .
Secondly, a whole nation WILL be misguided
So you'd go as low as to accuse Allah of contradiction . It is very SICKENING when I see the likes of you write signs they don't understand just to justify their blasphemy . If you had the slightest bet of common sense , you wouldn't have dared make such a ridiculous statement . Let's see the signs in their context :
25:30 And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." 31 And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the criminals. But sufficient is your Lord as a guide and a helper. 32 And those who disbelieve say, "Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?" Thus [it is] that We may strengthen thereby your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly. 33 And they do not come to you with an argument except that We bring you the truth and the best explanation.
So who are those people ? Considering that the verb is in the past tense , it talks about something that already happened while the prophet was delivering the message and not your ill fantasies . The people here are the pagans of Makkah , Quraish , his people . That's how sane people understand the sign , and that's how scholars understand the sign :
http://www.alro7.net/ayaq.php?sourid=25&aya=30
Secondly, your underlined statement above means that you reject that Allah guides us? Really? Is that how low you can go? -->Especially when Allah said that HE will also explain the Quran? You rejecting Allah's words?
What I'm saying you miserable low life is that your statment - in that premetive view - contradicts itself . Using your statment , I can say people are guided as they follow the way of the prophet . Keep deluding yourself that you're guided and all else will go to hell . You are nothing close to guidance , you and the likes are POISON to the nation . A vile virus that needs to be exterminated . You hold absolutely no respect to Islam and its teachings . You take your desires as Gods you worship . Not to mention your utmost stupidity , retarded logic , and folligh statements contradicting each other . You take that puny brain of yours as holy think you understand everything . While Allah says he will explain Quran , every sane person can see that it is through the prophet peace upon him in spite of you and the likes of you . On the other hand , you're so twisted as to think you recieve revelations that the prophet didn't . You think you're the only one who understands among the entirety of humanity . When you make a blasphemous statement such as that Allah explains Quran especially to you , you have to bring evidence from Quran or Sunnah . And you will always fail miserably with any of them . The almighty Allah is far greater beyond imaginable to talk with such a low life like you . He sent a prophet with guidance and truth for them to reign over all else in spite of disbelievers and in spite of you . That prophet is the one whom Allah explains the noble Quran through , not a nobody like you . Your opponent is Allah . And while you don't equal the shoes of a scholar , there is no room for comparison between you and the almighty , not that there is between him and anything else at all . I'm not the one rejecting his words , YOU ARE .
So enough with the rant and long posts . I'll finish it directly .
1 - Quran orders us to obey the messenger and what he teaches as they are revelations from Allah himself in numerous places throughout the noble book . If you try to make a ridiculous attemot such as claiming Quran is complete and doesn't need anything else to explain it in such a premetive way of understanding then you are accusing Allah of contradicting and that's where I will immediately say you are a vile "Kafir" flat out . It IS complete when it tells us to obey the messenger . If you don't believe in that then don't dare call yourself a Muslim .
2 - You have absolutely no basis to believe in Quran using your rotten logic . You can't deny the possibility that it was corrupted or altered . You can't prove that a man named Muhammad existed . And if you bring that Da Vinci code garbage again I'll throw it immideately with the rest of garbage . This describes you as a blind believer . You don't have any logical reasons to believe in Islam . Following this rotten line of thinking you take leads us to deny history in its entirety .
3 - You rejectors are the most ignorant of Quran . You have no basis for your acrobatic explanations . You rant about how you're the only ones who understand Islam . While the fact is you can't explain a thing with Quran alone . You contradict the book itself ! You can't explain how to pray . You can't explain how to perform pilgrimage . You can't explain a thing . Whenever you are faced with this you used your personal opinions and liking .
I'm seriously getting sick and tired of this . So let's make it short . The signs ordering to follow the prophet and in turn tell that there is a nother kind of revelation are numerous . If you deny that , then YOU are the one being an apostate .
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The people of Monotheism invite you to bring forth your proof if you speak the truth .
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php
I didn't bother at first but apparently deeming whole nations destined to hellfire isn't something to pass as if it's nothing . They want to see your so called evidence in what you claim . So what's your answer ?
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So what you will do, is you will go to that website and tell them my arguments and then they will tell you how to respond and then I will respond here.
One shouldn't be ashamed to ask if he doesn't know what to say . You on the other hand ...
That's fine with me. In an arabic forum, I will not be able to pass my points across efficiently as I would in an English forum.
They can debate you in English and some of them can even do that in French . That's no excuse . If you don't want to come , then just say that . And here's what happened : I've been showing your twisted slanders AND answering them over there to show people how dangerous ignorance combined with arrogance can be . After a while , they adviced me to bring you to them , to somewhere that actually has rules for the flaw of conversations . And I'm not ashamed to say to somwhere where there are many who know better than I do .
Let me make it clear that this isn't the only forum that I spread the knowledge of Quran-Only Islam. I am on many forums, even the shia forums so I could show them the true path of Islam.
Then may you carry your sin along with theirs . Bragging about how many places you spread blasphemous ideologies means nothing .
So let's get it clear , Quran orders us in numerous signs to obey the messenger in whatever he tells us to . That necessarily means what he teaches is revealed to him from the almighty . End of the line .
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Tell you what. I will give you an offer to win this debate! Just a simple verse is all I ask.
Give ME one verse that authorizes another source of law besides the Quran and you win this debate. Simple enough?
Keep your puny offer to yourself . It's a matter of evidence and proof . Aside from the numerous signs which I'll mention at the end of this , here's a story told to us by Quran .
2:142 The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path." 2:143 And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. 2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
So where in Quran , and Quran ALONE , does it tell Muslims to pray toward the Aqsa Masjid ? Don't tire yourself , you won't find any . Going from this point , why did Muslims pray toward Alaqsa while Quran didn't tell them to ? Why did the prophet pray toward Alaqsa ? Will you go so low as to claim this sign is fabricated ? Or maybe you'll claim that the prophet did something in religion that Allah didn't tell him to do ? Seeing how low you've already gone I won't be surprised , but if we think good of you then that's where the next point in line comes . So let's suppose you take your eyes away from the numerous signs ordering us to obey the messenger , let's suppose you try to explain them with your typical acrobatic methods while they're clear as day , this sign doesn't give you any room to do so . Either you accuse the prophet of innovation in religion - And that's flat out "Kufr" - or admit that there is another source of law along with the noble Quran which the noble Quran itself tells us to follow . And these are some of those signs :
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In coming : More rants and acrobatic displays .
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It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .
Black , out ( No pun intended ) .
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It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .
Black , out ( No pun intended ) .
Well you can't seem to defend your position, so how is it justified? You just feel like your position is more intuitive even though the Quran has made it clear there is no other source of law besides it. In fact, you haven't once responded to my biggest argument:
"How can you reconcile a verse that says there is no source of law besides the Quran, with your ideology that there is"
^You should know that you cannot reconcile these verses therefore you should abandon your kufr.
As far as Quran 2:144, I have already broken the verse down and shown you that the prophet could have not received another qibla before--and you offered absolutely no response, you just restated your interpretation of the verse without defending it. I gave many reasons that show my case and you have not made a valid response.
Here are the reasons why to reject another source of law besides the Quran:
1.) The Quran is clear it is the only source of law, has details of everything
2.) The Quran has not mentioned another source of law
3.) We cannot believe in anything Islam related unless it is in the Quran (THIS book)
4.) There is no command in the Quran to follow anything besides it
You cannot seem to accept the true Islam. You are right:
"The truth seekers are good with al evidence"
Just as I am.
"The stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand evidence"
Just like you. Of all the Quranic verses that show the Quran is the only source of law, had details of everthing and that we aren't to follow anything unless it is in this BOOK.
Not only that on Quran 2:144, you completely destroyed its true meaning and you made an unjustified misinterpretation! It was freighting to see how much you can twist the Quran. The evidence on that verse is clear.
"I just had the duty of exposing you"
No I did. read Quran 45:6-7. IT exposes you and gives me the duty to warn you of a painful punishment for believing in anything unless it is in THIS book.
And as I had said before. I gave a challenge. The challenge was to show me ONE verse in the Quran that authorizes another source of law besides it. None were given, you gave one at around 2:144 and even your interpretation (which I've proved to be wrong) does not authorize another source of law for us besides the Quran as it is not relevant to us.
1- Was Muhammad given inspiration regarding a previous Qibla? According to you it is possible, to me the verse says it is not, but for the sake of arguments, I will temporarily agree with your interpretation.
2- Is this Qibla applicable to us today? No, our Qibla is given in 2:144
3- Do we need information about this previous Qibla in order to practice our religion? No
4- Does 2:143 justify the call to follow hadith? Never! Not in a million years!
We do not need these details to practice Islam, the Quran is clear that it is all we need to practice Islam. The fact still remains; the Quran is all we need for salvation. If you reject this fact then you are suggesting a contradiction between the Quran and your ideology.
As for the personal hadith of Muhammad, once again we are commanded very clearly not to follow it for the following reasons:
1- God commands us not to believe/follow any hadith other than the Quran (45:6)
2- God tells us that the Quran has all the details we need (6:114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (6:38). As a result, all what may have been inspired to Muhammad and which is not in the Quran is not part of our Islam today nor is required of us.
3- God commands us to use the Quran as the only source of law (6:114)
3- God tells us that the hadith is the fabrication of the devil (6:112)
4- God tells us that we are not accountable to what was given to those before us, which refutes the claim associated with the previous Qibla (on 2:144).
It is time for you to accept Allah and the Quran.
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I AM accepting Islam . You're the one rejecting it . I presented my evidence and you presented your flawed logic in understanding Quran and common sense . So I'll let people decide .
And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .
Incoming "You don't make any solid argument ! You just ad home the great and honorable me !" ? Yes , this wasn't an argument , I'm just saying my opinion of a miserable low life such as yourself .
Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .
So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you .
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:) As-Salamu Alaikum Brother Mclinkin, I am asking it just out of Curiousity that How many times you pray in a day? (We Muslims pray 5 times) :P :D
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I AM accepting Islam . You're the one rejecting it . I presented my evidence and you presented your flawed logic in understanding Quran and common sense . So I'll let people decide .
And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .
Incoming "You don't make any solid argument ! You just ad home the great and honorable me !" ? Yes , this wasn't an argument , I'm just saying my opinion of a miserable low life such as yourself .
Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .
So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you .
You call my logic flawed with no evidence and you cannot defend your own nor refute mine--I'm not sure what kind of intellectual dishonesty this is.
And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .
See that is exactly what someone who cannot offer a refutation would say in order to look good. I believe you are arrogant and ignorant, but at least I provided evidence to show why.
Not only that I have given you a challenge and you have failed. Moreover, I have asked how you reconcile the clear verses that the Quran is fully detailed and has explanation of everything with your twisted kufr that it doesn't.
You do not believe in the Quran nor the actual teachings of the prophet.
Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .
I don't use rudeness as some kind of argument. Never have.
You again use the appeal to popularity fallacy even though I have told you you cannot argue like that. Moreover, the Quran predicts that people will abandon the Quran in the future. Like I said, I don't know what kind of dishonesty this is.
So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you
So much rhetoric, yet so little arguments.
It is so simple to prove your case, I asked for ONE verse that authorizes another source of law for us besides the Quran. No such verse was given. I asked you to reconcile the verse that the Quran is fully detailed and that we cannot follow anything unless it is in THIS book (quran) with your ideology.
In the end, this cheap method of trying to end the debate with pride does not give you any gain-none whatsoever. It is just your method of quitting without looking bad. We all know you quit because you failed to own up to your burden of proof when it comes to your ideology. This is because no such proof exists in the Quran that supports your kufr. Yet, I have presented so many verses that satisfy my burden of proof in true-Islam--and you have offered absolutely no defense against these verses. But as I said, Intellectual dishonesty won't get you anywhere.
I will conclude with the verse that defeats your kufr completely:
Quran 45:6 These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"
These are God's verses that get recited to you. In what statement other than these verses will you believe.
If I write a book and say "These are the sentences that I write to you, in what statement besides my sentences will you believe in?". Does this leave room for any other sentences outside of my book to believe in? Absolutely not! I said it clearly, THESE are my sentences that you Must believe in and you cannot believe in anything besides them!
God says that these are his verses that he recites to you and that you cannot believe in anything besides them, BUT, you insist that we are to believe in the Sunnah (extra-Quranic revelation). How could any rational, intellectually honest person accept this. Was the Sunnah in these verses (Quran)? NO. You cannot believe in it, plain and simple.
So you could quit and leave with pride all you want. You need to know that you are a disbeliever and you will remain such until you open your heart to Allah.
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:) As-Salamu Alaikum Brother Mclinkin, I am asking it just out of Curiousity that How many times you pray in a day? (We Muslims pray 5 times) :P :D
We are only required to pray 3 times daily, anyone who says we are required for more is either ignorant or systematically rejecting Allah's verses.
I do pray my mandatory 3 prayer and I do pray the extra 2 prayers that the other Muslims do. I actually pray more than 5 times daily.
With every prayer, I pray an additional 2-4 quick prayers--especially at night.
There is no limit to how much you can pray to Allah--just recognize the extra prayers as non-mandatory. Just do your mandatory 3 and you are good.
These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.
I underlined the word "Muslims" in your statement because I have a hard time saying that someone is a 'submitter' if they systematically reject Allah's verses and follow the methodology given by the fabrication of hadiths. Any person who calls themselves a Muslim who is conscious of their arrogant rejection of the Quranic verses should rethink their position to Allah's eyes. Indeed they will have a painful punishment as Quran 45:6-8 states. And I do hope that the user [blackmuslim] would realize the extent of his dishonesty.
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These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.
You believe that if you commit one sin your a Kafir?
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These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.
You believe that if you commit one sin your a Kafir?
Indeed.
You don't have to take my word for it, just read up on the Quran and how Allah views sin and Aggregation. At that moment you commit sin, you become a disbeliever unless you repent or not do the sin again. Islam is called "submission". You do not submit to Allah by committing sins. If you commit sins without repentance you are not a submitter therefore you are not of the religion of submission (Islam).
The Quran is all there is to follow. To disregard those clear verses would be some kind of serious dishonesty. I don't know how anyone can stay a Sunni, Shia Muslim after reading the Quran, fortunately, Allah explains this:
[43:36] Anyone who disregards the message of the Most Gracious, we appoint a devil to be his constant companion.
[43:37] Such companions will divert them from the path, yet make them believe that they are guided.
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I don't think so. Jinn listen to the revelation at surat al jinn (92), and obviously bacterias can't listen. The article also is based in darwinian evolution, and I don't believe darwinian evolution to be true.
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