Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?

[Black Muslim]

The people of Monotheism invite you to bring forth your proof if you speak the truth .

http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php

I didn't bother at first but apparently deeming whole nations destined to hellfire isn't something to pass as if it's nothing . They want to see your so called evidence in what you claim . So what's your answer ?

[mclinkin94]

[Black Muslim]

So what you will do, is you will go to that website and tell them my arguments and then they will tell you how to respond and then I will respond here.

One shouldn't be ashamed to ask if he doesn't know what to say . You on the other hand ...

That's fine with me. In an arabic forum, I will not be able to pass my points across efficiently as I would in an English forum.

They can debate you in English and some of them can even do that in French . That's no excuse . If you don't want to come , then just say that . And here's what happened : I've been showing your twisted slanders AND answering them over there to show people how dangerous ignorance combined with arrogance can be . After a while , they adviced me to bring you to them , to somewhere that actually has rules for the flaw of conversations . And I'm not ashamed to say to somwhere where there are many who know better than I do .

Let me make it clear that this isn't the only forum that I spread the knowledge of Quran-Only Islam. I am on many forums, even the shia forums so I could show them the true path of Islam.

Then may you carry your sin along with theirs . Bragging about how many places you spread blasphemous ideologies means nothing .

So let's get it clear , Quran orders us in numerous signs to obey the messenger in whatever he tells us to . That necessarily means what he teaches is revealed to him from the almighty . End of the line .

[mclinkin94]

[Black Muslim]

Tell you what. I will give you an offer to win this debate! Just a simple verse is all I ask.

Give ME one verse that authorizes another source of law besides the Quran and you win this debate. Simple enough?

Keep your puny offer to yourself . It's a matter of evidence and proof . Aside from the numerous signs which I'll mention at the end of this , here's a story told to us by Quran .

2:142 The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path." 2:143 And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. 2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

So where in Quran , and Quran ALONE , does it tell Muslims to pray toward the Aqsa Masjid ? Don't tire yourself , you won't find any . Going from this point , why did Muslims pray toward Alaqsa while Quran didn't tell them to ? Why did the prophet pray toward Alaqsa ? Will you go so low as to claim this sign is fabricated ? Or maybe you'll claim that the prophet did something in religion that Allah didn't tell him to do ? Seeing how low you've already gone I won't be surprised , but if we think good of you then that's where the next point in line comes . So let's suppose you take your eyes away from the numerous signs ordering us to obey the messenger , let's suppose you try to explain them with your typical acrobatic methods while they're clear as day , this sign doesn't give you any room to do so . Either you accuse the prophet of innovation in religion - And that's flat out "Kufr" - or admit that there is another source of law along with the noble Quran which the noble Quran itself tells us to follow . And these are some of those signs :

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In coming : More rants and acrobatic displays .

[mclinkin94]

[Black Muslim]

[mclinkin94]

[Black Muslim]

It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .

Black , out ( No pun intended ) .

[mclinkin94]

It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .

Black , out ( No pun intended ) .

Well you can't seem to defend your position, so how is it justified? You just feel like your position is more intuitive even though the Quran has made it clear there is no other source of law besides it. In fact, you haven't once responded to my biggest argument:

"How can you reconcile a verse that says there is no source of law besides the Quran, with your ideology that there is"

^You should know that you cannot reconcile these verses therefore you should abandon your kufr.

As far as Quran 2:144, I have already broken the verse down and shown you that the prophet could have not received another qibla before--and you offered absolutely no response, you just restated your interpretation of the verse without defending it. I gave many reasons that show my case and you have not made a valid response.

Here are the reasons why to reject another source of law besides the Quran:

1.) The Quran is clear it is the only source of law, has details of everything
2.) The Quran has not mentioned another source of law
3.) We cannot believe in anything Islam related unless it is in the Quran (THIS book)
4.) There is no command in the Quran to follow anything besides it


You cannot seem to accept the true Islam. You are right:

"The truth seekers are good with al evidence"

Just as I am.

"The stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand evidence"

Just like you. Of all the Quranic verses that show the Quran is the only source of law, had details of everthing and that we aren't to follow anything unless it is in this BOOK.

Not only that on Quran 2:144, you completely destroyed its true meaning and you made an unjustified misinterpretation! It was freighting to see how much you can twist the Quran. The evidence on that verse is clear.

"I just had the duty of exposing you"

No I did. read Quran 45:6-7. IT exposes you and gives me the duty to warn you of a painful punishment for believing in anything unless it is in THIS book.


And as I had said before. I gave a challenge. The challenge was to show me ONE verse in the Quran that authorizes another source of law besides it. None were given, you gave one at around 2:144 and even your interpretation (which I've proved to be wrong) does not authorize another source of law for us besides the Quran as it is not relevant to us.

1- Was Muhammad given inspiration regarding a previous Qibla? According to you it is possible, to me the verse says it is not, but for the sake of arguments, I will temporarily agree with your interpretation.
2- Is this Qibla applicable to us today? No, our Qibla is given in 2:144
3- Do we need information about this previous Qibla in order to practice our religion? No
4- Does 2:143 justify the call to follow hadith? Never! Not in a million years!
We do not need these details to practice Islam, the Quran is clear that it is all we need to practice Islam. The fact still remains; the Quran is all we need for salvation. If you reject this fact then you are suggesting a contradiction between the Quran and your ideology.

As for the personal hadith of Muhammad, once again we are commanded very clearly not to follow it for the following reasons:

1- God commands us not to believe/follow any hadith other than the Quran (45:6)
2- God tells us that the Quran has all the details we need (6:114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (6:38). As a result, all what may have been inspired to Muhammad and which is not in the Quran is not part of our Islam today nor is required of us.
3- God commands us to use the Quran as the only source of law (6:114)
3- God tells us that the hadith is the fabrication of the devil (6:112)
4- God tells us that we are not accountable to what was given to those before us, which refutes the claim associated with the previous Qibla (on 2:144).

It is time for you to accept Allah and the Quran.


 

[Black Muslim]

I AM accepting Islam . You're the one rejecting it . I presented my evidence and you presented your flawed logic in understanding Quran and common sense . So I'll let people decide .

And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .

Incoming "You don't make any solid argument ! You just ad home the great and honorable me !" ? Yes , this wasn't an argument , I'm just saying my opinion of a miserable low life such as yourself .

Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .

So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you .

[MuslimBoy]

As-Salamu Alaikum Brother Mclinkin, I am asking it just out of Curiousity that How many times you pray in a day? (We Muslims pray 5 times) :D

[mclinkin94]

I AM accepting Islam . You're the one rejecting it . I presented my evidence and you presented your flawed logic in understanding Quran and common sense . So I'll let people decide .

And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .

Incoming "You don't make any solid argument ! You just ad home the great and honorable me !" ? Yes , this wasn't an argument , I'm just saying my opinion of a miserable low life such as yourself .

Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .

So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you .

You call my logic flawed with no evidence and you cannot defend your own nor refute mine--I'm not sure what kind of intellectual dishonesty this is.

And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .

See that is exactly what someone who cannot offer a refutation would say in order to look good.  I believe you are arrogant and ignorant, but at least I provided evidence to show why.

Not only that I have given you a challenge and you have failed. Moreover, I have asked how you reconcile the clear verses that the Quran is fully detailed and has explanation of everything with your twisted kufr that it doesn't.

You do not believe in the Quran nor the actual teachings of the prophet.

Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .

I don't use rudeness as some kind of argument.  Never have.

You again use the appeal to popularity fallacy even though I have told you you cannot argue like that. Moreover, the Quran predicts that people will abandon the Quran in the future.  Like I said, I don't know what kind of dishonesty this is.

So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you

So much rhetoric, yet so little arguments.

It is so simple to prove your case, I asked for ONE verse that authorizes another source of law for us besides the Quran. No such verse was given. I asked you to reconcile the verse that the Quran is fully detailed and that we cannot follow anything unless it is in THIS book (quran) with your ideology.

In the end, this cheap method of trying to end the debate with pride does not give you any gain-none whatsoever. It is just your method of quitting without looking bad. We all know you quit because you failed to own up to your burden of proof when it comes to your ideology.  This is because no such proof exists in the Quran that supports your kufr. Yet, I have presented so many verses that satisfy my burden of proof in true-Islam--and you have offered absolutely no defense against these verses. But as I said, Intellectual dishonesty won't get you anywhere.

I will conclude with the verse that defeats your kufr completely:

Quran 45:6 These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"

These are God's verses that get recited to you. In what statement other than these verses will you believe.

If I write a book and say "These are the sentences that I write to you, in what statement besides my sentences will you believe in?". Does this leave room for any other sentences outside of my book to believe in? Absolutely not! I said it clearly, THESE are my sentences that you Must believe in and you cannot believe in anything besides them!

 God says that these are his verses that he recites to you and that you cannot believe in anything besides them, BUT, you insist that we are to believe in the Sunnah (extra-Quranic revelation). How could any rational, intellectually honest person accept this. Was the Sunnah in these verses (Quran)? NO. You cannot believe in it, plain and simple.

So you could quit and leave with pride all you want. You need to know that you are a disbeliever and you will remain such until you open your heart to Allah.

[mclinkin94]

As-Salamu Alaikum Brother Mclinkin, I am asking it just out of Curiousity that How many times you pray in a day? (We Muslims pray 5 times) :D

We are only required to pray 3 times daily, anyone who says we are required for more is either ignorant or systematically rejecting Allah's verses.

I do pray my mandatory 3 prayer and I do pray the extra 2 prayers that the other Muslims do. I actually pray more than 5 times daily.

With every prayer, I pray an additional 2-4 quick prayers--especially at night.

There is no limit to how much you can pray to Allah--just recognize the extra prayers as non-mandatory. Just do your mandatory 3 and you are good.

These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.


I underlined the word "Muslims" in your statement because I have a hard time saying that someone is a 'submitter' if they systematically reject Allah's verses and follow the methodology given by the fabrication of hadiths. Any person who calls themselves a Muslim who is conscious of their arrogant rejection of the Quranic verses should rethink their position to Allah's eyes. Indeed they will have a painful punishment as Quran 45:6-8 states. And I do hope that the user [blackmuslim] would realize the extent of his dishonesty.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.

You believe that if you commit one sin your a Kafir?