Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 20, 2016, 04:32:57 PM
Here is a conversation I had with a Muslim convert regarding the crucifixion lie. Insha'Allah, you'll find it very helpful in refuting the crucifion lie very quickly to anyone:
www.answering-christianity.com/conversation_i_had_on_crucifixion_lie.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on December 20, 2016, 10:53:24 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 21, 2016, 01:29:29 AM
Aside from the fact that Prophet Isa (http://www.answering-christianity.com/isa.htm), peace be upon him, was created from the Word and filled with the Holy Spirit (http://www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm), but he was also given the power to feel no pain. As I explained in the conversation, you could drive a sword right threw his gut and out his back, and he still wouldn't feel pain. Let alone die. Even if you were to maim him, Allah Almighty would've placed him back together as He did with the birds that Abraham cut into pieces and scattered them in different places:
[002:260] And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You give life to the dead." He (Allah) said: "Do you not believe?" He (Ibrahim (Abraham)) said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He said: "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then slaughter them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every hill, and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."
This is what I believe what "THEY NEITHER KILLED HIM NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but it appeared as such to them" means. Allah Almighty's Statement is crystal clear about Isa, peace be upon him, appeared to have been killed through crucifixion. But yet, the Prophet didn't feel a thing.
This is not the first time a Miracle like this happened. Abraham, peace be upon him, was thrown into the fire by his people, and Allah Almighty Commanded the fire to be cool and peaceful to him:
[021:069] We (Allah) said: "O fire! Be you coolness and safety for Ibrahim (Abraham)!"
Here, again, the fire APPEARED that it was burning Abraham, peace be upon him, when it was not at all. I believe the Jesus (Isa) situation is the same thing. He was being killed, but he was never killed nor ever experienced pain. A similar thing also happened with Jonah (Yunus), peace be upon him, which Jesus also gave his parable, and said that his situation is similar to Jonah in the Bible. Here is what the Holy Quran Says about Jonah's Miracle with the whale:
[037:139] And, verily, Yoonus (Jonah) was one of the Messengers.
[037:140] When he ran to the laden ship,
[037:141] He (agreed to) cast lots, and he was among the losers,
[037:142] Then a (big) fish swallowed him and he had done an act worthy of blame.
[037:143] Had he not been of them who glorify Allah,
[037:144] He would have indeed remained inside its belly (the fish) till the Day of Resurrection.
[037:145] But We cast him forth on the naked shore while he was sick,
[037:146] And We caused a plant of gourd to grow over him.
[037:147] And We sent him to a hundred thousand (people) or even more.
[037:148] And they believed; so We gave them enjoyment for a while.
Jonah too was saved from death. Otherwise, the whale's stomach's acids would've painfully dissolved him alive! But like Jesus and Abraham, it was relatively almost painless to him, because this was one of his Miracles.
Putting it all of this together, we have very strong proofs that it was indeed Isa, peace be upon him, who was placed on the cross, and like Abraham and Jonah and others, it was painless and harmless to him.
And Allah Almighty ALWAYS knows best.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: Omar Ahmed on December 25, 2016, 03:48:36 AM
Post by: Omar Ahmed on December 25, 2016, 03:55:45 AM
Isa pbuh was not even put on the cross.
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 25, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
What i was taught is that judas was made to look like isa pbuh and he was crucified instead.
Isa pbuh was not even put on the cross.
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,
You were taught conjecture on the Noble Verse that condemns the Christians for believing in nothing but conjecture. Where is Judas name mentioned in the Holy Quran? You were taught wrong. The Noble Verse ONLY mentions Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him. Therefore, only him went through the whole thing. If another person was a substitute, then the Noble Verse should've mentioned it. Otherwise, I have no reason to conjecture.
From reading the entire Glorious Quran, it became quite clear to me that Isa could not have been killed. Period. That's all what the Noble Verse is saying. This is why Allah Almighty Said that He RAISED JESUS TO HIM. Yes, because Jesus never died, even though he was "crucified" and "killed". Yet, he was never crucified nor killed. The infidels thought wrong.
Furthermore, Jesus (Isa), in the Glorious Quran, was given THE BOOK that enabled him to even do limited creating by Allah Almighty's Permission. BOOKS were given to mighty creations by Allah Almighty. I have listed several examples from the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_creating.htm
Also in the Bible, Jesus had to seek GOD Almighty's Permission before he performed any Miracle:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
All of this further supports my claims, above. Indeed in makes perfect sense that a mighty creation who was given the Book that enabled him to do limited creating could not be killed either by being stabbing or by being crucified on the cross. It makes sense that Allah Almighty Created him like this.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on December 26, 2016, 02:25:32 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 26, 2016, 03:31:35 PM
Brother, your argument further proves my points. Shubbiha (appeared as such) does not refer to a substitute. The following example should make it clear insha'Allah:
Playing dead to a bear:
Imagine you were hiking in the forest alone, and suddenly a huge bear appears in front of you. You get down on your face and play dead. The bear thinks you're dead and decides to walk away. It APPEARED (SHUBBIHA) TO THE BEAR that you were dead when you weren't. No substitute. Just you and the bear. It was SHUBBIHA to the bear that you were dead, and he got confused and left.
This is basic Arabic. No conjecture from my part. The conjecture comes from those who try to bring theories left and right to interpret the Noble Verse. You don't have to do this if you just let it speak for itself. The Noble Verse is only speaking about Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him. So, SUBBIHA LAHUM (appeared as such to them) means that JESUS APPEARED to have been killed by them when he wasn't. They never killed him neither on the cross nor by stabbing.
Osama is using Conjecture:
You said that I am using conjecture and asked me to prove where one could stab Jesus in the gut, with the sword, and drive it out his back, and still not be able to kill Jesus. Again, Allah Almighty Said they neither KILLED HIM nor CRUCIFIED HIM. And we know from the Christian sources that they placed him on the cross and even stabbed him with a spear.
Now, whether these stories are accurate or not, it still doesn't matter, because here the GLORIOUS QURAN IS RESPONDING TO THEIR FALSEHOODS. So them claiming these things in their writings makes it all relevant to the Noble Verse. Therefore, the "killing" of Jesus never happened. Allah Almighty further assures it in the same Noble Verse:
[004:157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
Jesus went to the WAFAT state and ascended up to Allah Almighty:
Your point about Jesus going to WAFAT state actually proves my point even more. Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:
?39:42 ???? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???????
[039:042] It is God that takes ???? ????? the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.
Allah Almighty ????? YATAWAFFA (root word WAFAT) our souls during our sleep, and we either die or wake up again.
The fact that Allah Almighty TAWAFFA (root word WAFAT) Jesus indisputably proves my point. Thank you for the point, akhi Fadi. Here Allah Almighty TAWAFFA Jesus in either two cases:
1- While Jesus was sleeping normally like you and me, and The Almighty decided to not have him wake up here on earth, and decided to raise him in his body to Him in Heaven.
-- OR --
2- Allah Almighty TAWAFFA Jesus after he was "killed" by the infidels, when he wasn't, and decided to take him up to Heaven to Him after Jesus came back together, or healed, in the tomb while he was resting on the floor.
It is crystal clear that point #2 is the valid one. Jesus was taken up to Heaven ALIVE after being "killed" by the infidels. Yet, he was never killed by them, even if they fed him to a grinding machine and made ground beef out of him. Like the birds that Abraham, peace be upon him, cut into pieces and scattered in different places, they came together to life right before his eyes. Jesus too would've came back to life.
Jesus, the Mighty Being:
The points that I mentioned above about Jesus' Miracles, and the BOOK that was given to him that enabled him to perform them, and the fact that Jesus was even allowed to do limited CREATING further prove that this mighty being could not have been killed on the cross by being nailed on it for few hours and stabbed by a spear on the side.
No conjecture, my dear brother. Only solid Truth. May Allah Almighty bless you. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on December 26, 2016, 09:43:56 PM
Post by: fadi on December 26, 2016, 09:56:04 PM
That's strange. For the second time I posted verse (39:42) ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????????? Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep.
I only see one word from this verse in my monitor (??????????). Please refer to (In my previous post, I said: ...)
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 27, 2016, 04:20:03 AM
There are several errors in your posts. The following are the corrections:
1- Hasebo ???????? does not mean "think". It means reckoned.
2- Zano ????. It is not ZANO. It is THANNO. And it means "they thought".
3- Shako ????. Doubted. Ok. But what does this have to do with seeing Jesus getting crucified.
4- Shubbiha ??????? does not just mean alike. And I don't know why you insist on this meaning when that would be wrong in the context of Noble Verse 4:157. I already gave you the playing dead to the bear example. By playing dead, the bear would be confused into thinking that the person is dead. There would be TASHABUH (mix up). And it would be SHUBBIHA to the bear that the person was dead, when in fact the person was alive playing dead.
We're not in much disagreements here regarding the meanings of the Noble Word SHUBBIHA. However, you keep insisting on forcing a false interpretation into the Noble Verse. The following points are important to consider:
1- No second person was mentioned in the Noble Verse.
2- Jesus was the one who was sentenced to death.
3- Jesus was "executed" by the infidels. Notice the double quotes here.
4- It appeared to them that Jesus was killed.
So far we do not have any second person here. Allah Almighty saved Jesus from pain and death. This is in the Bible and the Glorious Quran. Now, let's pay attention to the point that will finish the conjecture:
5- Allah Almighty RAISED JESUS TO HIM. We already talked about WAFAT and TAWAFFA.
6- It makes no sense that Jesus was raised to Heaven during his sleep before the crucifixion. I say this because:
(a)- AGAIN AND AGAIN, no second person is mentioned in the Noble Verse. You are forcing this on Noble Verse 4:157! It is all about Jesus and none other.
(b)- Allah Almighty elaborated twice in the same Noble Verse, 4:157, that they did not kill Jesus.
(c)- If Jesus wasn't even on earth that day, let alone the cross, then the context of the Noble Verse should've been that they did not even capture Jesus. But instead, the context is about Jesus' execution and its details.
You have nothing but conjecture when you insist on a second person substitution. Noble Verse 4:157 does not mention any second person. You are the one forcing this on the Holy Quran. Why do you keep injecting this falsehood into the Glorious Quran? We already have Prophets before Jesus that were saved from death DURING EXECUTION by Allah Almighty. I already gave you Abraham and Jonah.
Jonah's Parable:
And did not Jesus give his last and final Parable to his disciples to be that similar to Jonah's experience? We know:
1- Jonah was alive when he was on the shore.
2- Jonah was alive when he was in the whale's belly.
3- Jonah was alive when he was vomited out of the whale's belly.
And Jonah in the Bible and the Glorious Quran went through death and survived it. I know the Bible is not the Holy Word of Allah Almighty, but not all of it is false either. I find it quite amazing that Jesus used Jonah as his final parable, because this destroys the crucifixion lie. There is so much evidence that backs up my point from the Bible. It is just that some Muslims and the Christians have this whole thing misunderstood.
Was there a substitute to Jonah?
Both the Bible and the Glorious Quran agree that there was no substitute to Jonah. And it is quite obvious that those who saw Jonah get swallowed by the whale also thought that he was dead. SHUBBIHA LAHUM there also.
So if Jesus used Jonah as his last and final Parable, and there was no substitute to Jonah, then why on earth must we believe that there was a substitute to Jesus on the cross? Who is using conjecture here?
Why the Parable when he will not even go through it?
And why must Jesus give his SILLY PARABLE of Jonah when he himself will not even go through the "death" (notice the double quotes) experience?? What does he have to do with any of it if he wasn't to go through it?
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on December 27, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 27, 2016, 04:38:08 PM
You raised very good points, akhi. Here are my responses to them:
1- They crucified him not, nor killed him. You asked why did Allah Almighty make a distinction between them. If Jesus was placed on the cross and did not die, then he was crucified without being killed. But the problem with your statement is that at the end of the same Noble Verse, Allah Almighty did sum them up:
[004:157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
So whether death by the cross of by killing in other ways, it never happened. "...nor did they crucify him..." here clearly means that they did not kill him through crucifixion. Again, the end of the Noble Verse makes that very clear that death did not happen neither by crucifixion nor by stabbing or any other mean.
2- What did they differ on Jesus, you asked. They differed on him in so many things:
(a)- That he is GOD Almighty who died for our sins.
(b)- That he actually died.
(c)- That he actually resurrected from death.
Not all early Christians agreed on what happened to Jesus. Much disputes and theories and roamers started floating around. And again, Allah Almighty brings it all together by saying in the same Noble Verse:
[004:157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
3- You asked: "What makes more sense to me that they differ in of whether he is Jesus or someone else?".
RESPONSE:
Allah Almighty used the word SUBSTITUTE (BADAL) 35 times in 34 Noble Verses (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search.cgi?search_text=%26%231576%3B%26%231583%3B%26%231604%3B&search_type=Exact+String&B1=Search) throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, this Noble Word was never used in Noble Verse 4:157.
Also, it is quite clear from the Glorious Quran that Allah Almighty left the details of the experience to be looked at in the Christians' books, since this topic is theirs. And when we examine their books, we find the JONAH PARABLE, which I elaborated on above. And since Jonah was never substituted by anyone, then Jesus too was not substituted by anyone, since Jesus used the Jonah Parable as his ultimate and last one.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah, my dear brother.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: Omar Ahmed on December 27, 2016, 04:49:24 PM
The only thing we can be sure of is that Jesus pbuh was not killed by the jews, whether he died in any other means we are not sure.
Post by: fadi on December 28, 2016, 02:18:35 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 28, 2016, 05:13:34 AM
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....I want to remind all of us that this contradicts Quran....
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Fadi,
Brother, this is a very shallow argument. It is so shallow that one would be immediately dismissed as not worthy of debating. I am not saying this about you. I am only advising you and the reader.
The Glorious Quran is indeed CRYSTAL CLEAR and VERY DETAILED about all of the things that we need for our Salvation, and all of the foundations of Islam. But Allah Almighty mentioned in many Noble Verses that He left the details for Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to explain. Please visit the following link to see the 100s of the Glorious Quran's Moral Code that I personally was able to extract from the Holy Book:
www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
So it's quite detailed as far as the Moral Code and everything that we need for our Salvation. The Glorious Quran Commands us to Pray, pay Zakat (Islamic Charity), Fast, perform Hajj (pilgrimage), and many other things. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, detailed the times and rules on how to perform them. You won't find the detailed rules and conditions of Zakat in the Glorious Quran. You won't find the the detailed rules and conditions for performing Hajj in the Glorious Quran, and so on.
So the details of certain things being left out of the Glorious Quran isn't a contradiction at all. We just have to know how to read and understand the Glorious Quran when we read It. That's all.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2017, 10:40:21 AM
Post by: adilriaz123 on January 12, 2017, 03:20:19 PM
1. Who or what is holy ghost.
2. The last supper.
In qura allah swt, mentions that holy ghost is inspiration and as we know from the event of jesus pbuh birth that the inspiration was sent via angel gabriel a.s.
(Quran 2:97) Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (Quran) into your (muhammad pbuh) heart, in accordance with God's will, confirming previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."
(Quran 16:102) Say, "The Holy spirit has brought it (Quran) down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."
Srry that was bit off topic but i wanted that to be clear for the viewers.
Part 2
Regarding how the last supper has a big part in this conversation.
Surah al maedah verses 112-115 mention the event of the last supper. As we know Judas was among the believers of jesus a.s. at the moment.
Quran (5:115) Allah said, "Indeed, I will sent it (table cloth from heaven) down to you, but WHOEVER DISBELIEVES AFTERWARDS from AMONG YOU - then indeed will I PUNISH HIM with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the WORLDS."
What does the above ayat indicate?
1. As we know judas was at the last supper and was a former disciple of jesus pbuh.
2. Judas was the only disciple that betrayed jesus pbuh. Bible 18:2 "Now Judas, who BETRAYED HIM, knew the place, because Jesus often met there with his disciples." Till verse 18:8. Which shows only 1 person came back out after Judas went in to get Jesus pbuh. That means it could have only been Judas back because quran says allah swt saved him, also that it appeared to them that it was jesus pbuh.
3. The supposed jesus said "My Lord, My Lord, why have you forsaken me?" God never forsakes a believer or uses him as a example which when we might do something what are we suppose to do in order to get back into god's grace. But this wasn't god's example, allah swt said clearly this is punishment, when allah makes someone example he the almighty says that He (allah swt) forgave him(the prophet or the individual).
Post by: adilriaz123 on January 12, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2017, 05:23:39 PM
Gabriel, peace be upon him, is not the Holy Spirit or Ghost. This is another area of conjecture done by some Muslims. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm
As to Judas, are you saying that GOD Almighty changed his looks to Jesus? How would they have crucified Jesus if they didn't arrest him and hand him over to Pilot and then to the soldiers to take him and crucify him? Judas would've been identified as Jesus. Now, I know that Allah Almighty is well capable of blinding them and making them think it was Jesus, but none of that is mentioned in the Glorious Quran. You're adding all of this, akhi.
Also as I mentioned in the previous post above:
"Allah Almighty used the word SUBSTITUTE (BADAL) 35 times in 34 Noble Verses (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search.cgi?search_text=%26%231576%3B%26%231583%3B%26%231604%3B&search_type=Exact+String&B1=Search) throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, this Noble Word was never used in Noble Verse 4:157."
What is mentioned in the Glorious Quran is that Allah Almighty addressed the two scenarios people thought Jesus was killed on:
1- Executing him.
2- Crucifying him.
And then Allah Almighty summed it all up by saying Jesus was never killed in any and all scenarios. And I did bring from the Bible that Pontus Pilate was standing between TWO JESUS "SON OF HIS FATHER" persons. Now that would create a lot of confusion, especially when the other Jesus had to be executed for killing Roman soldiers. I have more reasons to believe this than to believe the conjecture that you mentioned, especially that new discoveries show Judas as a righteous disciple who never betrayed Jesus.
Whether he did or not, you're making a huge leap to say that it was Judas that was placed on the cross akhi. And again and again, WHERE ARE THE HADITHS in all of this?
Noble Verse 5:115:
[005:111] "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'".
[005:112] Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear God, if ye have faith."
[005:113] They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
[005:114] Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O God our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
[005:115] God said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
?5:110 ?? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????
?5:111 ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??????
?5:112 ?? ??? ????????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??????
?5:113 ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ????????
?5:114 ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????????
?5:115 ??? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????
There are some issues with your points above regarding this Noble Verse:
1- The Noble Verse was speaking about all of the disciples of Jesus, and not just one person.
2- The warning from Allah Almighty came because He, the Almighty, sent down to them a special Sign for them from Him. So rejecting after this would bring catastrophic consequences on anyone who turns to disbelief after that.
3- This is similar to the Jews who were turned into pigs and monkies because they violated the Sabbath after the Divine Signs that were shown to them, such as splitting the sea.
I get your point akhi that Judas being a substitute to Jesus would indeed be a punishment that no one in this world ever experienced. But the Glorious Quran never spoke about any substitute to Jesus, as I thoroughly demonstrated in the link that I gave above. Again, as I mentioned in the previous post above:
"Allah Almighty used the word SUBSTITUTE (BADAL) 35 times in 34 Noble Verses (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search.cgi?search_text=%26%231576%3B%26%231583%3B%26%231604%3B&search_type=Exact+String&B1=Search) throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, this Noble Word was never used in Noble Verse 4:157."
On the other hand, it would make sense that Allah Almighty used Judas to go through the crucifixion instead of Jesus, since:
1- He betrayed Jesus.
2- His punishment would be indeed very unique.
3- But his unique punishment translating into him being the substitute for Jesus is a big leap, because the Glorious Quran never spoke about Jesus being substituted by anyone.
4- So I won't allow myself to force this upon the Holy Quran.
I believe that the TWO JESUSES, and the possible replacement of Judas on the cross, - even though no SUBSTITUTE was mentioned, but I'll accept it for the sake of argument, - would be in harmony together, and would indeed CONFIRM THE GLORIOUS QURAN'S Claims that indeed, it appeared that Jesus:
1- Was executed.
2- Was crucified.
In other words, two different deaths were attributed to Jesus that Allah Almighty made the people think that they happened to Jesus. And indeed, Allah Almighty ALWAYS Knows Best.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: adilriaz123 on January 12, 2017, 07:08:54 PM
But in regards to Judas, brother allah swt gave us clear warning that if any of you go turn back he will punish them. From what bible told what happen to judas when he went to get jesus pbuh while the soliders waited outside. When he emerged it wasnt judas so they asked the person who he is and they asked if it was jesus of naserath. Meaning the soliders and those among them never seen jesus. Since judas didnt emerge they though it can only be jesus.
But i would like to get more info if you believe this isnt correct i would like to know who was put on the cross. Because in quran it says that they did not crucify him. Meaning the person that was crucify wasnt jesus. Many jews till this day celebrate that they crucified jesus. When in quran allah swt said it was made to look as if they did. Then could mean that was either an illusion or the person on cross was someone else.
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2017, 07:19:10 PM
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When he emerged it wasnt judas so they asked the person who he is and they asked if it was jesus of naserath. Meaning the soliders and those among them never seen jesus. Since judas didnt emerge they though it can only be jesus.
Very interesting, dear brother. The Bible also says that all of the disciples fled (http://www.answering-christianity.com/crucifixion_eye_witnesses.htm). None of them witnessed the crucifixion. Furthermore, in the newly discovered Gospel of Judas, we see that Jesus asked Judas to betray him:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0406_060406_judas_2.html
Now, this could be to pave the way for Judas to be placed on the cross instead of Jesus. Sort of like Ali sleeping in Prophet Muhammad's bed when the Prophet fled to Medina with Abu Bakr that night. I'll investigate this further.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: adilriaz123 on January 12, 2017, 07:23:34 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 20, 2017, 08:05:01 AM
I have updated the thread above by adding new evidence that states that according to the Roman law, if one survives the crucifixion then he can be allowed to live:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2428.msg11210.html#msg11210
More and more evidence that clearly states that Jesus was never killed!
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 30, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Brother Adil has posted a very good argument here also:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2610.msg12644.html#msg12644
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 30, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
Post by: adilriaz123 on May 30, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
Post by: adilriaz123 on May 30, 2017, 10:58:01 PM
Now here is another problem. If the Father is the God of both the Old Testament and the New Testament, this logic fails completely due to this verse:
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin (Deut. 24:16)
Even if Christians claim, well it says dying for the father, but jesus died for our sins, sins of mankind.
Here is another important thing to note, the verse says
each will die for their own sin
Thus by the logic of the God of the New and Old Testament the crucifixion is illogical.
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 31, 2017, 01:43:58 AM
I never said that Jesus was talking about himself. I implied that the fact that Jesus didn't call Lazarus dead, when in fact Lazarus was dead, and only called him asleep further proofs that in Jesus' world Jesus could not have died or been killed through crucifixion, and that even if they were to drive the entire Roman army's swords through Jesus' body, and put him on the cross 100 times, he would still not be killed nor would he die, except by Allah Almighty's Will, - for Jesus when he returns must die a natural death:
[029:057] All living beings must taste death! Then, towards Us you have to return!
[003:185] Everyone shall taste death. And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception (a deceiving thing).
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: adilriaz123 on May 31, 2017, 02:45:01 AM
Post by: Dawud on May 31, 2017, 05:14:06 AM
from gospel of barnabas
215: Divine Rescue of Jesus
When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel;, Michael;, Rafael;, and Uriel, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looks toward the South;. They bare him and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for evermore.
216: Judas Transformed
Judas entered impetuously before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. Whereupon the wonderful God acted wonderfully, insomuch that Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus that we believed him to be Jesus. And he, having awakened us, was seeking where the Master was. Whereupon we marvelled, and answered: 'You, Lord, are our master; have you now forgotten us?'
And he, smiling, said: 'Now are you foolish, that know not me to be Judas Iscariot!' And as he was saying this the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus. We having heard Judas' saying, and seeing the multitude of soldiers, fled as beside ourselves. And John, who was wrapped in a linen cloth, awoke and fled, and when a soldier seized him by the linen cloth he left the linen cloth and fled naked. For God heard the prayer of Jesus, and saved the eleven from evil.
217: Judas was Crucified
The soldiers took Judas ;and bound him, not without derision. For he truthfully denied that he was Jesus; and the soldiers, mocking him, said: 'Sir, fear not, for we are come to make you king of Israel, and we have bound you because we know that you do refuse the kingdom.' Judas answered: 'Now have you lost your senses! You are come to take Jesus of Nazareth;, with arms and lanterns as [against] a robber; and you have bound me that have guided you, to make me king!'
Then the soldiers lost their patience, and with blows and kicks they began to flout Judas, and they led him with fury into Jerusalem. John ;and Peter ;followed the soldiers afar off; and they affirmed to him who writes that they saw all the examination that was made of Judas by the high priest, and by the council of the Pharisees, who were assembled to put Jesus to death. Whereupon Judas spoke many words of madness, insomuch that every one was filled with laughter, believing that he was really Jesus, and that for fear of death he was feigning madness. Whereupon the scribes bound his eyes with a bandage, and mocking him said: 'Jesus, prophet of the Nazarenes ;(for so they called them who believed in Jesus), 'tell us, who was it that smote you?' And they buffeted him and spat in his face.
When it was morning there assembled the great council of scribes and elders of the people; and the high priest with the Pharisees sought false witness against Judas, believing him to be Jesus: and they found not that which they sought. And why say I that the chief priests believed Judas to be Jesus? No all the disciples, with him who writes, believed it; and more, the poor Virgin mother of Jesus, with his kinsfolk and friends, believed it, insomuch that the sorrow of every one was incredible.
As God lives, he who writes forgot all that Jesus had said: how that he should be taken up from the world, and that he should suffer in a third person, and that he should not die until near the end of the world. Wherefore he went with the mother of Jesus and with John to the cross. The high priest caused Judas ;to be brought before him bound, and asked him of his disciples and his doctrine. Whereupon Judas, as though beside himself, answered nothing to the point. The high priest then adjured him by the living God of Israel that he would tell him the truth.
Judas answered: 'I have told you that I am Judas Iscariot, who promised to give into your hands Jesus the Nazarene; and you, by what are I know not, are beside yourselves, for you will have it by every means that I am Jesus.' The high priest answered: 'O perverse seducer, you have deceived all Israel, beginning from Galilee ;even to Jerusalem here, with your doctrine and false miracles: and now think you to flee the merited punishment that befits you by feigning to be mad?
As God lives,' you shall not escape it!' And having said this he commanded his servants to smite him with buffetings and kicks, so that his understanding might come back into his head. The derision which he then suffered at the hands of the high priest's servants is past belief. For they zealously devised new inventions to give pleasure to the council. So they attired him as a juggler, and so treated him with hands and feet that it would have moved the very Canaanites to compassion if they had beheld that sight. But the chief priests and Pharisees and elders of the people had their hearts so exasperated against Jesus that, believing Judas to be really Jesus, they took delight in seeing him so treated.
Afterwards they led him bound to the governor, who secretly loved Jesus. Whereupon he, thinking that Judas was Jesus, made him enter into his chamber, and spoke to him, asking him for what cause the chief priests and the people had given him into his hands. Judas answered: 'If I tell you the truth, you will not believe me; for perhaps you are deceived as the (chief) priests and the Pharisees are deceived.'
The governor answered (thinking that he wished to speak concerning the Law): 'Now know you not that I am not a Jew? but the (chief) priests and the elders of your people have given you into my hand; wherefore tell us the truth, wherefore I may do what is just. For I have power to set you free and to put you to death.' Judas answered: 'Sir, believe me, if you put me to death, you shall do a great wrong, for you shall slay an innocent person; seeing that I am Judas ;Iscariot, and not Jesus, who is a magician, and by his are has so transformed me.'
When he heard this the governor marvelled greatly, so that he sought to set him at liberty. The governor therefore went out, and smiling said: 'In the one case, at least, this man is not worthy of death, but rather of compassion.' 'This man says,' said the governor, 'that he is not Jesus, but a certain Judas who guided the soldiery to take Jesus, and he says that Jesus the Galilean has by his are magic so transformed him. Wherefore, if this be true, it were a great wrong to kill him, seeing that he were innocent. But if he is Jesus and denies that he is, assuredly he has lost his understanding, and it were impious to slay a madman.'
Then the chief priests and elders of the people, with the scribes and Pharisees, cried out with shouts, saying: 'He is Jesus of Nazareth;, for we know him; for if he were not the malefactor we would not have given him into your hands. Nor is he mad; but rather malignant, for with this device he seeks to escape from our hands, and the sedition that he would stir up if he should escape would be worse than the former.' Pilate (of such was the governor's name), in order to rid himself of such a case, said: 'He is a Galilean, and Herod is king of Galilee: wherefore it pertains not to me to judge such a case, so take you him to Herod.'
Accordingly they led Judas to Herod, who of a long time had desired that Jesus should go to his house. But Jesus had never been willing to go to his house, because Herod was a Gentile, and adored the false and lying gods, living after the manner of the unclean Gentiles. Now when Judas had been led thither, Herod asked him of many things, to which Judas gave answers not to the purpose, denying that he was Jesus. Then Herod mocked him, with all his court, and caused him to be clad in white as the fools are clad;, and sent him back to Pilate, saying to him, 'Do not fail in justice to the people of Israel!' * And this Herod wrote, because the chief priests and scribes and the Pharisees had given him a good quantity of money. The governor having heard that this was so from a servant of Herod, in order that he also might gain some money, feigned that he desired to set Judas at liberty.
Whereupon he caused him to be scourged by his slaves, who were paid by the scribes to slay him under the scourges. But God, who had decreed the issue, reserved Judas for the cross, in order that he might suffer that horrible death to which he had sold another. He did not suffer Judas to die under the scourges, notwithstanding that the soldiers scourged him so grievously that his body rained blood. Thereupon, in mockery they clad him in an old purple garment;, saying: 'It is fitting to our new king to clothe him and crown him': so they gathered thorns and made a crown, like those of gold and precious stones which kings wear on their heads. And this crown of thorns they placed upon Judas' head, putting in his hand a reed for sceptre;, and they made him sit in a high place.
And the soldiers came before him, bowing down in mockery, saluting him as King of the Jews. And they held out their hands to receive gifts, such as new kings are accustomed to give; and receiving nothing they smote Judas, saying: 'Now, how are you crowned, foolish king, if you will not pay your soldiers and servants?' *The chief priests with the scribes and Pharisees, seeing that Judas died not by the scourges, and fearing lest Pilate should set him at liberty, made a gift of money to the governor, who having received it gave Judas to the scribes and Pharisees as guilty to death. Whereupon they condemned two robbers with him to the death of the cross.
So they led him to Mount Calvary, where they used to hang malefactors, and there they crucified him naked;, for the greater ignominy. *Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: 'God, why have you forsaken me, seeing the malefactor has escaped and I die unjustly?' *Truly I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus, believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did: for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world.
But they that stood firm in the doctrine of Jesus were so encompassed with sorrow, seeing him die who was entirely like to Jesus, that they remembered not what Jesus had said. And so in company with the mother of Jesus they went to Mount Calvary, and were not only present at the death of Judas, weeping continually, but by means of Nicodemus and Joseph of Abarimathia; they obtained from the governor the body of Judas to bury it. Whereupon, they took him down from the cross with such weeping as assuredly no one would believe, and buried him in the new sepulchre of Joseph; having wrapped him up in an hundred pounds of precious ointments.
218: Body of Judas Stolen
Then returned each man to his house. He who writes, with John and James his brother, went with the mother of Jesus; to Nazareth.
Those disciples who did not fear God went by night [and] stole the body of Judas and hid it, spreading a report that Jesus was risen again; whence great confusion arose. The high priest then commanded, under pain of anathema;, that no one should talk of Jesus of Nazareth;. And so there arose a great persecution, and many were stoned and many beaten, and many banished from the land, because they could not hold their peace on such a matter.
The news reached Nazareth how that Jesus, their fellow citizen, having died on the cross was risen again. Whereupon, he that writes; prayed the mother of Jesus; that she would be pleased to leave off weeping, because her son was risen again. Hearing this, the Virgin Mary, weeping, said: 'Let us go to Jerusalem to find my son. I shall die content when I have seen him.'
219: Jesus appeareth to his mother and his disciples
The Virgin returned to Jerusalem with him who writes, and James and John, on that day on which the decree of the high priest went forth. Whereupon, the Virgin, who feared God, albeit she knew the decree of the high priest to be unjust, commanded those who dwelt with her to forget her son. Then how each one was affected! God who discerns the heart of men knows that between grief at the death of Judas whom we believed to be Jesus our master, and the desire to see him risen again, we, with the mother of Jesus, were consumed.
So the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to the third heaven;, where Jesus was in the company of angels, and recounted all to him. Wherefore Jesus prayed God that he would give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then the merciful God commanded his four favourite angels, who are Michael, Gabriel, Rafael;, and Uriel, to bear Jesus into his mother's house, and there keep watch over him for three days continually, suffering him only to be seen by them that believed in his doctrine.
Jesus came, surrounded with splendour, to the room where abode Mary the Virgin with her two sisters, and Martha and Mary Magdalen, and Lazarus, and him who writes, and John and James and Peter. Whereupon, through fear they fell as dead. And Jesus lifted up his mother and the others from the ground, saying: 'Fear not, for I am Jesus; and weep not, for I am alive and not dead.' They remained every one for a long time beside himself at the presence of Jesus, for they altogether believed that Jesus was dead. Then the Virgin, weeping, said: 'Tell me, my son, wherefore God, having given you power to raise the dead. suffered you to die, to the shame of your kinsfolk and friends, and to the shame of your doctrine? For every one that loves you has been as dead.'
220: Jesus and the Four Angels
Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me, mother, for truly I say to you that I have not been dead at all; for God has reserved me till near the end of the world.' And having said this he prayed the four angels that they would manifest themselves, and give testimony how the matter had passed.
Thereupon the angels manifested themselves like four shining suns, insomuch that through fear every one again fell down as dead. Then Jesus gave four linen cloths to the angels that they might cover themselves, in order that they might be seen and heard to speak by his mother and her companions. And having lifted up each one, he comforted them, saying: 'These are the ministers of God: Gabriel, who announces God's secrets; Michael, who fights against God's enemies; Rafael, who receives the souls of them that die; and Uriel, who will call every one to the judgment of God at the last day. Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another.
Then said he who writes: 'O Master, is it lawful for me to question you now, as it was lawful for me when you dwelt with us?' Jesus answered: 'Ask what you please, Barnabas, and I will answer you.' Then said he who writes: 'O Master, seeing that God is merciful, wherefore has he so tormented us, making us to believe that you were dead? and your mother has so wept for you that she has been near to death; and you, who are an holy one of God, on you has God suffered to fall the calumny that you were slain amongst robbers ;on the Mount Calvary?'
Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punishes with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God has willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of hell.
And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, has willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas;, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's Law. Having thus spoken, Jesus said: 'You are just, O Lord our God, because to you only belongs honour and glory without end.'
221: Jesus Chargeth Barnabas to Write
Jesus turned himself to him who writes, and said: "Barnabas, see that by all means you write my gospel concerning all that has happened through my dwelling in the world. And write in a similar manner that which has befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived, and every one may believe the truth." Then answered he who writes: "I will do so, if God wills, O Master; but I do not know what happened to Judas, for I did not see it."
Jesus answered: "Here are John and Peter who saw everything, and they will tell you all that has passed." And then Jesus commanded us to call his faithful disciples [so] that they might see him. So James and John called together the seven disciples with Nicodemus and Joseph, and many others of the seventy-two, and they ate with Jesus.
The third day Jesus said: "Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there I will ascend again to heaven, and you will see who shall bear me up." So they all went there except twenty-five of the seventy-two disciples, who for fear had fled to Damascus. And as they all stood in prayer, at midday Jesus came with a great multitude of angels who were praising God: and the splendour of his face made them greatly afraid and they fell with their faces to the ground. But Jesus lifted them up, comforting them, and saying: "Do not be afraid, I am your master."
And he reproved many who believed that he had died and risen again, saying: "Do you hold me and God for liars? I said to you that God has granted to me to live almost to the end of the world. Truly I say to you, I did not die; it was Judas the traitor. Beware, for Satan will make every effort to deceive you. Be my witnesses in Israel, and throughout the world, of all things that you have heard and seen."
And having said this, he prayed God for the salvation of the faithful, and the conversion of sinners and [then], his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: "Peace be to you, my mother. Rest in God who created you and me." And having said this, he turned to his disciples, saying: "May God's grace and mercy be with you." Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven.
222: Jesus Carried Up to Heaven
After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.
END OF THE GOSPEL
Post by: adilriaz123 on May 31, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
Since these can be found within the Mainstream gospel they present a much more of an evidence rather then a Gospel that the mainstream Christianity doesn't accept as their own work of their apostles.
jazakallah
Post by: Dawud on June 02, 2017, 04:20:15 AM
Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, even though i agree that Gospel of Barnabas is very vivid and clear in the whole account of crucifixion. The problem i see is that it isn't accepted by the mainstream Christianity. Even if we point out evidence from it. The Christians won't accept on the premise that it isn't from the disciples. I believe what we need to do is look more into the gospels and see what else we can learn that clearly destroys the false belief of the crucifixion. for example we have many verses that pose direct challenge of validity of the crucifixion. Like the (Deut. 24:16), (Luke 24;39), Matthew 27:16-17, Mark16:9-20(insertions), etc...
Since these can be found within the Mainstream gospel they present a much more of an evidence rather then a Gospel that the mainstream Christianity doesn't accept as their own work of their apostles.
jazakallah
alaikom salam, yes but, this text can only be used if a christian ask
what does it means, "it appeared for them so"
this text perfectly explains that part of the ayah in the Qur'an.
Post by: fadi on January 23, 2022, 01:56:06 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 23, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
Jesus' hyperboles have turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful, which is a blasphemy against GOD. Since pork was allowed and Jewish Sabbath broken, and polygamy forbidden and other examples of blasphemies, then christains certainly have a major theological problem.
The fact that Peter and team VS. Paul and team blasphemed each other, and argued about things such as whether christians are supposed to observe the sabbath or not, or must the Law's Moral Code be followed, or must meat be Kosher, and so on, - all AFTER JESUS' DEPARTURE, - proves that the NT is corrupt and Jesus' promise about the Holy Spirit will speak through their mouths is a lie:
www.answering-christianity.com/conflict.htm
Jesus being placed the Cross:
Having said this, I am leaving open the following which could have Muslims call me an apostate (a cheap title by brainless lunatics):
1- Muhammad died from poison and his aorta was cut off via poison for speaking nonsense, which Allah Almighty has promised him this would be the exact punishment for him if he speaks falsehood, even via jokes.
2- Jesus got the day lights beaten out of him before the cross and on the cross for being confusing and causing ample blasphemies, such as people thinking of him and his mother as GODs, and turning sinful laws into lawful and lawful laws into sinful:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htm
Look at the Noble Verses about the servants raised to Honor (Ibaadin Mukramoon). See Allah Almighty's statement about the punishment of those among them who went astray:
[021:026] And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
[021:027] They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command (as Jesus in the NT also elaborated on).
[021:028] He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).
[021:029] If any of them should say, "I am a god besides Him", such a one We should reward with Hell: thus do We reward those who do wrong.
Notice the weakness and the tempting apple or "forbidden fruit" for the Beings that live near Allah Almighty; the Tribe of Allah Almighty: Their weakness is that they're so mighty a person from them could get haughty enough to start calling himself: I AM GOD. Like Iblis who became the cursed satan for doing this.
Jesus castrated himself after the temptation:
Jesus also replaced Satan (Ezekiel 28:13-19). See below...
King Kong Christ?
Why did Jesus crave incest and
sex? [1]
Jesus was an outside Being from the Ibaadin Mukramoon. He wasn't just a mere Prophet with earthly father and mother. He was more like Adam and Eve. And we all know how Adam, Eve and Iblis (later became the cursed satan and the serpent) all horribly messed up! And as for Jesus, I don't know what he had said and done, but it seems that a great deal of blasphemous confusions (sinful and lawful switching) and excessive glory to him were forged. I don't know how much he is guilty of all of these, but they could land him (Jesus) in Hell Fire. Prophet Muhammad too, with the HAZAL and stupid jokes that he was making, could also find himself in Hell Fire:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
I am not saying they will both end up in Hell. But I am also leaving the possibility open as Allah Almighty Himself warned both of them (Jesus in the past, and Muhammad directly and personally in the Quran):
[069:044] And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name,
[069:045] We should certainly seize him by his right hand (making him powerless and weak),
[069:046] And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:
[069:047] Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath).
The Prophet was poisoned. He lived and suffered for three years from this poison before he died. He got very weak and powerless that he had to be carried from place to place, and he himself said that he feels that his aorta was being severed from the poison before his death.
Anyway, if Ishmael was put to the slaughter and was pulled out at the last second, and if Abraham was thrown into the fire, and Jonah was eaten by the whale, and Daniel thrown to the lions which were instantaneously made tame by Allah Almighty, then I have no problem with Jesus being put on the cross. But while he was never killed by stabbing or slaughter, nor was killed by crucifixion, he probably got the day lights beaten out of him, which I would have no issues with at all. On the contrary, I am sick and tired of the load blasphemies and lies and contradictions that I constantly keep discovering on him.
And Allah Almighty, MY ONE AND ONLY GOD, ALWAYS Knows best.
Anyway, I am building this and will publish in a few days, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on May 01, 2022, 07:38:57 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 03, 2022, 06:50:19 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 03, 2022, 07:36:21 AM
?33:56 ?? ???? ???????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??????
[033:056] God and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
So here you may say how can Prophet Muhammad be in Hell when we are Commanded till the Day of Judgment to send Peace and Salutations upon our beloved and blessed Prophet, peace of Allah Almighty be upon him.
Response:
Indeed Peace, Blessings and Mercy be upon our beloved and blessed Prophet and teacher and role model, Muhammad. Ameen. If he makes it to Heaven, then all the blessings and salutations be upon him. But the Noble Verse above doesn't give any guarantee, because Allah Almighty also gives His Blessings upon the believers:
?2:157 ????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ????????
[002:157] They are those on whom (Descend) blessings from God, and Mercy, and they are the ones that receive guidance.
Yet, there are Noble Verses that speak about those who go into apostasy after Belief. So again, as a flesh and blood, dust and water, you are always at risk of dying in disbelief. May Allah Almighty protect us all from straying and disbelief. Ameen.
To the reader, please visit the following links to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles and Prophecies:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
NEVER lose faith in Islam and the Holy Quran. We do not worship humans. We only worship Allah Almighty alone and none else. All flesh and blood, dust and water humans will be judged by Allah Almighty.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on May 05, 2022, 04:52:30 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 05, 2022, 02:12:17 PM
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Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Anyone who attributes words to me which I did not say should take his seat in the Fire. Anyone who gives his Muslim brother misguided advice when they consult him has betrayed them. If anyone gives a fatwa which is not firm, the wrong action of that rests on the one who gave the fatwa."
Only to a Muslim? We're not racists and hateful akhi. What happened to the Glorious Quran's Command that prohibits Muslims to be a trial or evil or bad influence to anyone, including disbelievers:
www.answering-christianity.com/tempting_disbelievers_is_forbidden.htm
[060:005] `Our Lord, make us not a trial (????) for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord; for, Thou alone art Mighty, the Wise.'
This hadith makes it sound like Islam is like the Jews' Talmud; full of racism and hate, and has total disregard to disbelievers and to being an upright human being. Yes actually, believe it or not, Allah Almighty commanded all Muslims to be upright and to be great examples to all humans, not just to Muslims:
www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
Brother, the Glorious Quran gave specific warnings to Prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad, for being a Prophet, was put on a strict warning watch. I don't know why Allah Almighty did this, but that's in the Glorious Quran as I detailed it above. The criteria of this warning from cutting of the Aorta, to the Prophet getting so weak (from being poisoned and getting so weak that he had to be carried around) is in the Quran's Warning.
Personally, I don't care if the Prophet is guilty or not. At the end of the day, the Glorious Quran is proven to be Allah Almighty's Divine Truth, and that's ALLLLLL I care about. Period. I worship no flesh and blood, dust and water, poop and urine humans akhi.
At the worst case, we still have a Quran Warning that became a Quran Fulfilled Prophecy; proving that the Quran is Divine and Miraculous and is from Allah Almighty. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
To the reader I say again, please visit the following links to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles and Prophecies:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
NEVER lose faith in Islam and the Holy Quran. We do not worship humans. We only worship Allah Almighty alone and none else. All flesh and blood, dust and water humans will be judged by Allah Almighty.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: fadi on May 07, 2022, 11:05:30 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on August 24, 2022, 05:57:53 AM
If he dies a disingenuous, then he will get the torture of Hell that he also was promised.
Also, read Jesus' Bray vs. Pray oxymoron to get more proof at: www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htm
Wa Alaikum As'salam.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 10, 2026, 10:13:59 AM
I have added the following section and article:
Mary vindicated but Jesus' trial with Allah Almighty remains open
https://www.answering-christianity.com/prophets_might_end_up_in_hell.htm
It is quite clear from the Glorious Quran that Jesus might end up burning in Hell Fire. We've seen above how the Beings from the Tribe of Allah Almighty have the temptation upon them to declare themselves to be GOD Almighty. Jesus also replaced Satan (Ezekiel 28:13-19 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/prophets_might_end_up_in_hell.htm)). Satan fell into this and it is quite possible that Jesus too.
I challenge anyone to refute this.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah