Actually, we investigated the satanic verses issue, and ironically, we found it to be in the Bible, not in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_kong

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,3095.msg15145.html#msg15145

Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no.

Also, all of the books that you mentioned copied the story from Al-Tabari.  And the story was proven to be a fabrication inserted into Al-Tabari.



Books like the Quran?

You obviously don't even understand what Allah Almighty's Challenge is.  Read this:

www.answering-christianity.com/surah_like_it.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Read the Links,they have refutations to all this.

You've only read the first parts instead of going deeper and reading the actual arguments

This is the fallacy of hasty Generalization.

Al Masihi,

Religious texts existed before Islam and after Islam.  The Glorious Quran even says that your (Jews and Christians') texts had been corrupted:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

So producing a false quran is nothing new.  In the article in my previous post above, I even quoted this Noble Verse:

"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!"  (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"

So producing any hogwash text and calling it quran is not the Divine Challenge here, because any bozo can do it.  It is producing a Book like the Glorious Quran's Spiritual and Physical Miracles that truly attracted millions upon millions to Islam, and to prove Itself to be a truly a Divine Book from GOD Almighty, and not just any mere piece of literature.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

But their books never proved themselves to be Divine Revelations.  These "religions" are earthly philosophies.  Islam is the Divine Religion of GOD Almighty, and GOD Almighty Said that His Glorious Quran is Miraculous, so much that it can not be matched by any man's writings.  This is also how Islam breaks out of the circular empty argument that false religions use to prove themselves.

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

The verse you provided doesn't imply the physical corruption of the Torah or Bible it just warns those who attempt to make their own books, i said bring me a verse which says the physical books are corrupted and no longer in original form. Infact no verse in the Quran does, unless you can bring me one which says the Torah and Bible are muharaf the arabic word for corrupted but strangely this word never appears in the Quran.

What's ludicrous about your false trinity, and entire conjecture of christianity, is that you lie on both

1-  The Glorious Quran.
2-  Your ludicrous bible.

Let's get one thing straight from both the Glorious Quran and your bible.  There is no legitimate book called "Bible".  This is a christian lie that was invented in the 300s by Constantine's counsel of Nicaea in the city of Nicaea in modern day Turkey.

Now, as to what your corrupt bible, the Glorious Quran, and the Hadiths say about your bible's corruption, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/false_christs_shortly_after_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#paul
www.answering-christianity.com/bible_sinless_men.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links  (Praised X-Rated pornography in the bible)
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm  (What Islam says about your bible)


 

You calling it hogwash doesn't change the fact it records a verse Mohammed supposedly said, scholars of the 7th and 8th century didn't deny this verse and even believed it at one point.

Again, there is only one original source to the entire story, and it's in Tabari, and the story was proven to be a fabrication.  The early scholars didn't believe in it, nor was it popular at all.  Also, if your use your brain a little bit, you'll see that it doesn't make any sense for Muhammad to come and SMASH ALL IDOLS, insult them, spit on them, fight their worship, while bowing to them during his Prophethood?

This false story is discussed and exposed at:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm

Read the second link about how satan turned Jesus into King Kong and made him climb the top of the temple (Matthew 4:5-10, Luke 4:10-12, it was as big as a fortress; see the Jewish wailing wall of today and how big it is) to commit suicide.  Of course, as a Muslim I doubt your gospel of porn's fabricated stories and accounts about Jesus and everything else.  He also made him:

1-  Be between satan and GOD for 40 days and 40 nights.

2-  Get so spiritually weak that GOD had to send down Angels to "attend him".

3-  Jesus "Suffered" from satan's temptation.

4-  Jesus had "evil desires" during the temptation.

5-  And your King Kong as a result coveted the world, when he said if your eye sins pluck it out, if your hand sins, cut it off, if your butt sins, cut it off, if your penis sins, cut it off, if your brain sins, you have already sinned.  Yet, he was coveting the kingdoms that satan showed him, and all of its belly dancing harlots.  



Masturbating King Kong?

Was your King Kong masturbating during the temptation?  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_kong

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,3095.msg15145.html#msg15145

Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no.

 

Attracting millions to something means nothing even communists could do that. Hindus and Zoroastrians say the same about their books again it means nothing, Islam uses the same arguments and claims as any other religion, nothing special about it. Either way many people once believed and some still believe the satanic verses to be a real revelation Mohammed recited at one point.

Pull your head out of your butt and read what the Quran's Divine Challenge really is.  It's not just about attracting people.  I used that point to thoroughly prove that even the Arab's poetry and philosophy was soundly defeated when it challenged the Glorious Quran's Literature.  But this is only one aspect of the Challenge and the Miracle.  I talked about this in details above and at:

www.answering-christianity.com/surah_like_it.htm


 

Quran says produce a Surah like it it doesn't give regulations on how the Surah should be.

Again, visit www.answering-christianity.com/surah_like_it.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet ... prostrated while reciting An-Najm (Surah 53) and with him prostrated the Muslims, the pagans (Quraysh), the jinns, and all human beings. (Bukhari, 2.019, Number 177).

The jinns and all of the human beings?  Do you need any more proof than this to prove to your dead brain that this hadith is false just like your man-made false trinity?  And did they all live happily ever after??

Also, the Glorious Quran speaks about Muslim Jinns (Believers from the Jinns).  Why would those bow to the very idols that Islam came to destroy?

Also in the link, I showed you how some of the Prophets in your bible became idol worshipers.  LOL, so you see?  The very things you try to attack Islam on, we don't find them in Islam, but we find them in the bible.


 

Where is your proof that the best poets couldn't beat the Quran, the Quran...?

There is not a single non-Muslim from among the nations of central Arabia (Saudi Arabia and all little countries next to it).  All of them are Muslims.  Is that enough proof to your brain?  The Arabs were drawn by the wholesale to Islam.  They had false prophets emerge during the battles of apostasy.  All of them failed.  So this proves that Arabs don't just blindly follow anyone.

And the reason why the war of apostasy happened is because the Eastern Arabs at the time didn't fully receive Islam.  And many of them were still pagans.  Islam started from Western Arabia.  Again, visit:  

www.answering-christianity.com/surah_like_it.htm


 

This event is documented by the four early biographical writers of Muhammad's life: Ibn Ishaq, Wakidi, Ibn Sa'd, and Tabari. The Hadith and Qur’an also contain direct references. Additionally several other Islamic scholars on Hadith (traditions) support the event's occurrence.

Bukhari and others came 100s of years after the Prophet.  Al-Tabari, who also came 80 years after the Prophet, was the first and only one who vaguely recorded it.  Others just copied.  And we know that these texts were not examined.  That period was just a mass collection of texts to build the Hadiths library.  This where you get many fabrications.  But the Glorious Quran made it clear and easy for us to how to filter out any and all texts:

What agrees with the Quran is closest to the Truth.  Otherwise, it is false.


For ample details and proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm


 

Mohammed later turning on the idols just means when he realised he couldn't win them over by accepting their gods he'd win them over by beating them in a war. Mohammed at the time was also yearning to be reaccepted by his people.

Is this the load of BS they teach you in your pedophilic churches, where children get molested?  And we're not talking isolated incidents here.  We're talking world-wide scandals.

As to the nonsense that you just wrote, the very first Noble Verses of the Glorious Quran that were revealed to the Prophet, and the very Message that Prophet Muhammad started with was this:

1-  There is no GOD except Allah Almighty.

2-  You must not bow to any idol.

3-  The Prophet rejected an offer to be made chief of Quraysh by saying this:

"By Allah, if they place the weight of the sun on my right shoulder, and the weight of the moon on my left shoulder to force me leave the Divine Message that I was sent to deliver, I will never do so until Allah makes Islam spread to mankind or I die trying."

Sounds like an idol-worshiping prophet to you?


 

The miracle of the Quran being language means nothing its just an excuse to explain why Mohammed had no miracles. Your trying tom explain the word. What arab christians are embracing Islam more and more Arabs leave Islam when actually understanding the Quran, ever heard of Christian Prince either, I saw your debate with him on Paltalk and I gotta say it didn't go well for you Osama. Your article on the challenge of the Quran explains nothing, it's just you trying to overcomplicate a simple verse which says produce a Surah like it unless the Quran which you claim to be perfect makes no sense.

I showed you the Glorious Quran's overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles, and also STUNNING Prophecies:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links


You are nothing but a doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagan.  You have nothing but noise.  Your false religion of man-made conjectures is empty, and Jesus, peace be upon him, is innocent from all of the garbage that you believe in:

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

Embrace Islam and receive the Peace of GOD Almighty.  Otherwise, get lost to Hell where you belong.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama I am currently showing your disrespectful and foul mouth to all the christians, agnostics, and atheists. Argue like a sane person not like a five year old, secondly Banu Hanifah and Banu Tamim were already muslims at the time of the apostasy wars. Bukhari isn't trustworthy you'd better tell that to the whole islamic world, Bukhari supposedly has isnaad aswell. The false prophets were defeated due to islamic military victories not by winning the hearts of the people. This first of all has nothing to do with the bible so stop trying to change the argument.

Osama I am currently showing your disrespectful and foul mouth to all the christians, agnostics, and atheists. Argue like a sane person not like a five year old, secondly Banu Hanifah and Banu Tamim were already muslims at the time of the apostasy wars. Bukhari isn't trustworthy you'd better tell that to the whole islamic world, Bukhari supposedly has isnaad aswell. The false prophets were defeated due to islamic military victories not by winning the hearts of the people. This first of all has nothing to do with the bible so stop trying to change the argument.
 

Al Masihi felt uncomfortable to answer Osama's question.



 

Were She-Monkeys Stoned For Adultery?
by Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi

Introduction

An amusing little polemic regarding a hadith that is recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari has recently surfaced and is being circulated by some apostates from Islam. Naturally, the Christian missionaries too had decided to jump on the bandwagon of smearing Islam through a misinterpretation of this hadith as well.

The hadith is recorded as follows:

    Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

    Narrated ‘Amru bin Maimun: “During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.”

The basic premise of their “charge” is that the Prophet(P) had ordered the stoning of a she-monkey, and that lapidation for zina (fornication) is extended to animals as well.



Back to Basics: The Issue of Isnad and Matn

The full citation of the hadith as recorded by al-Bukhari is as follows:

1

On closer scrutiny of the above-recorded hadith, anyone proficient in the sciences of the Hadith (ulum al-hadith) would immediately see the fallacy of such a claim when the matn (text) and isnad (chain of transmission) of the hadith is studied.

Firstly, the person who uttered the above words was not the Prophet Muhammad(P) himself, but by one of his Companions by name of ‘Amru bin Maimun(R). The following is the chain of transmission for this hadith:

The hadith is categorized as mauquf (lit. “stopped”), meaning that it is a saying traced to that of a Companion(R). Therefore, since it is clear that this hadith is not a saying of the Prophet(P), much less ascribed to him, it cannot be a basis for a ruling in Islam.

Secondly, the key phrase in the above hadith is “During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance”, which the critics had obviously overlooked. While we concede that above hadith is indeed accepted as authentic, we would also argue that according to the principles of criticism of the hadith, the matn of the hadith above would be rejected even if it had been ascribed to the Prophet(P). ‘Abdur Rahman I. Doi has outlined this principle by stating that:

    As far as the Matn is concerned, the following principles of criticism of the Hadith are laid down:

    (1) The Hadith should not be contrary to the text or the teaching of the Qur’an or the accepted basic principles of Islam.
    (2) The Hadith should not be against the dictates of reason or laws of nature and common experience.
    (3) The Hadith should not be contrary to the Traditions which have already been accepted by authorities as reliable and authentic by applying all principles.
    (4) The Hadith which sings the praises and excellence of any tribe, place or persons should be generally rejected
    (5) The Hadith that contains the dates and minute details of the future events should be rejected.
    (6) The Hadith that contains some remarks of the Prophet which are not in keeping with the Islamic belief of Prophethood and the position of the Holy Prophet or such expressions as may not be suitable to him, should be rejected.2

Interestingly, Ibn Hajar in his Fath al-Bari had discussed at length the exegesis of the above hadith. He quotes from Ibn Abd al-Barr as follows:

Ibn Abd al-Barr has denounced this report of ‘Amru Ibn Maimun and said: “It includes attributing adultery to a creature not assigned (with distinction between lawful and unlawful) and implementation of legal punishment on animals. This is denounced before scholars”.3

Then Ibn Hajar responds to the above argument of Ibn Abd al-Barr:

…I answer that the event being similar to that of adultery and stoning does not necessitate that it is really adultery or legal punishment. It is called so because it is similar to it, so it does not necessitate assignment of animals (with distinction between lawful and unlawful).4

In other words, even if we assume for the sake of the argument that the claims of the apostates are true and the above hadith is indeed ascribed to the Prophet(P) , the critics will still not be able to make the charge that the Prophet(P) had ordered the stoning of a she-monkey.

Ibn Qutaiba makes further commentary on the above hadith as follows:


They said: You narrated that some monkeys stoned a she-monkey for fornication. If the monkeys stoned her while she is married, the hadith would be funnier. According to this example, you cannot be sure for perhaps monkeys implement many rulings of the Torah! Or probably they embrace Judaism! So, if the monkeys are Jews, then perhaps the pigs are Christians!

Abu Muhammad [‘Abdullah Ibn Qutaiba, d. 276 A.H.] said: In response to this sneer we state that the narrative of monkeys is neither on authority of Allah’s Messneger (peace be upon him) nor any of his Companions; it is merely something mentioned by ‘Amr Ibn Maimon. Muhammad Ibn Khalid Ibn Khadash told me that Muslim Ibn Qutaiba said on authority of Hashim on authority of Hasin on authority of ‘Amr Ibn Maimon that he said, “A she-monkey had committed fornication during Jahiliyyah, so the monkeys stoned her and I stoned her with them”.

Abu Muhammad said: He could have seen the monkeys stoning a she-monkey, so he imagined that they were stoning her because she committed fornication, this cannot be known except by supposition because monkeys do not express themselves and the one who sees them gathering cannot tell whether they fornicate or not. This is a supposition. Perhaps, the old man knew she had fornicated for some reason we do not know for monkeys are the most fornicating animals. Arabs refer to them as examples of (exaggerated) fornication and say: “fornicating more than a monkey”. Unless fornication is common among them, they would not be used as an example. There is none closer to man in marriage and jealousy than them. The animals get hostile with one another, jump over and punish one another. Some bite, some scratch, some break and some smash. Monkeys stone with their hands whom Allah created as man stones. If they stoned one another for a cause rather than fornication and the old man thought it is fornication, it would not be far. If the old man knew about fornication by some evidence and that stoning was for it, it would not be far either because – as I have informed you – they are the most jealous among animals and the closest to man regarding understanding.5

The points we have made should make it clear that ‘Amru bin Maimun was relating his thinking or perception prior to the advent of Islam – how he had foolishly believed that even monkeys had committed adultery! It happened during a period whereby the pre-Islamic Arabs would indulge in the most detestable acts such as burying their daughters alive and doing the tawaf while they were naked. Thus this means that Islam has elevated the status of mankind by making them more rational and mindful of their actions, a conclusion that the haters and enemies of Islam would certainly not like to admit.

If the above hadith is used to condemn Islam with regards to treatment towards animals, then the Bible has the following to say:

    If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.6

In other words, an animal that has committed its sin of adultery is liable to be punished for a “crime” it is unaware of in the first place, according to the Bible.

Conclusions

It is clear that where the hadith regarding the stoning of a she-monkey for adultery is concerned, it is simply a recollection of a Companion(R) of the Prophet(P) regarding this maltreatment of animals during the pre-Islamic period of jahiliyyah, which is in total contradiction to Islamic principles and norms. Thus, the claim that this hadith is the basis from which the lapidation for married adulterers in Islam came about is nothing more than a damp firecracker hurled by the haters and enemies of Islam. That their view of Islam had been tainted by deep ignorance, hatred, paranoia and xenophobia is no big secret, and this latest polemic is ipso facto a confirmation of their current condition.

And only God knows best. 
https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/hadith/exegesis/were-she-monkeys-stoned-for-adultery/


IS is Allowed to take SHOWER with our Wife

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.272 Narrated by Hisham bin Urwa

(on the authority of his father) that Aisha said, "I and Allah's Messenger (saws) used to take a bath from a single water container, from which we took water simultaneously."

 

Islam has allowed the husband and the wife in marriage every possible liberty to enjoy physical relations with each other, except three:

    It is strictly prohibited to have sexual intercourse with ones wife during her period of menstruation.
    It is strictly prohibited to enter the woman through her anus.
    Although there is no specific prohibition mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah, the majority of the scholars in Islam have voiced their opinion against oral sex, whereby one touches the others private organs with their mouth.

Other than the above three restrictions, one may enjoy physical relations with ones wife any place, any time, and any how their hearts desire.

 Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allahs Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
Burhan
http://www.islamhelpline.net/node/4225