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January 28, 2013, 10:19:10 am
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As-Salamu 'Alaykum,
brother Osama Abdallah. I was wondering if you can
tell me where the "Heart of the earth" is.
For example, in this article: http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm
(http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm)
it says the "Heart of the earth"
is Mecca, but in this article: https://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm)
on your website, it says the "Heart of the earth" is
Sychar in Samaria. So I just wanted to know which
one it is, because I could see why it could be
Mecca. And I could see why it could be Sychar in
Samaria. I just wanted to know your thoughts on
where the "Heart of the earth" might be, Jazak'Allah
Khair P.S. I'm also palestinian. :)
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As-Salamu 'Alaykum,
brother Osama Abdallah. I was wondering if you
can tell me where the "Heart of the earth" is.
For example, in this article: http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm
(http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm)
it says the "Heart of the earth"
is Mecca, but in this article: https://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm)
on your website, it says the "Heart of the
earth" is Sychar in Samaria. So I just wanted to
know which one it is, because I could see why it
could be Mecca. And I could see why it could be
Sychar in Samaria. I just wanted to know your
thoughts on where the "Heart of the earth" might
be, Jazak'Allah Khair P.S. I'm also palestinian.
:)
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Tariq,
Sorry for not being able to reply back earlier. The
heart of the earth akhi is the cave (like any bear's
or moutain lion's cave) that Jesus Christ was placed
in after the alleged crucifixion. In fact, the New
Testament say it was a roomy cave, and it belong to
a rich man. Christ was placed there in the cave,
and above ground (he was never burried),
and received medical treatment and massaging by Mary
Magdalene and others, according to the New
Testament's accounts themselves. This is also where
Jesus became a Messiah according to Christians. He
got annointed (rubbed with oil as this is the Jewish
tradition of choosing a king) while in the cave, and
from there he became the Messiah (King of the Jews).
Jesus Christ never died. He was always alive and
remained alive even after the alleged crucifixion.
No resurrection happened. The Bible's use of "Rose
from the Dead" is a symbolic term that means he
didn't die, and that he defeated death by remaining
alive. The Old Testament has also a RISING FROM THE
DEAD incident also between Abraham and Isaac, peace
be upon them. Yet, Isaac was never crucified nor
died when he "ROSE FROM THE DEAD".
For ample more details, quotes and proofs, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Masha'Allah,
Jazak'Allah Khair Akhi
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I would like to
know more about this articles in the links I posted
above, Jazak'Allah Khair
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Dear brother,
When the Bible says heart of the earth, it does not
mean a cave.
Mathew 12:40 is the verse we refer to.
40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights
in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of
Man be three days and three nights in the heart of
the earth.
The heart of the earth is synonymous to deep parts
of the earth or the nether regions.
Ephesians 4:8-9
8 This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people."
9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he
also descended to the lower, earthly regions
This shows that Jesus descended into the lower parts
of the earth to preach the good news to the people
who died under the law so that he was able to take
those who were waiting for redemption to Heaven with
Him.
1 Peter 4:6
For this is why the gospel was preached even to
those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh
the way people are, they might live in the spirit
the way God does.
God bless you all.
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Dear brother,
When the Bible says heart of the earth, it does
not mean a cave.
Mathew 12:40 is the verse we refer to.
40 For just as Jonah was three days and three
nights in the belly of the great fish, so will
the Son of Man be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.
The heart of the earth is synonymous to deep
parts of the earth or the nether regions.
Ephesians 4:8-9
8 This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people."
9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that
he also descended to the lower, earthly regions
This shows that Jesus descended into the lower
parts of the earth to preach the good news to
the people who died under the law so that he was
able to take those who were waiting for
redemption to Heaven with Him.
1 Peter 4:6
For this is why the gospel was preached even to
those who are dead, that though judged in the
flesh the way people are, they might live in the
spirit the way God does.
God bless you all.
The author of 'Matthew' is unknown.
Secondly, any 5 year old can do the Math and work
out that from Friday night to sunday morning is not
3 days/3 nights!
The miracle of Jonah was that he was alive for 3
days and 3 nights!
The following is taken from: http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/signofjonah.html
If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights,
then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb
as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs
on the flimsy thread of the death" of Jesus for its
salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD
for three days and three nights. The contradiction
between his utterance and its fulfilment is
obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah!
Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If
this is true then according to his own test Jesus is
not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel
record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for
rejecting "CHRIST".
THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?
The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology
replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the
emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE
days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so
shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights
in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the
learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is
repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that
Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards
the length of time he was going to remain in the
tomb, and NOT 'As Jonas was' in relation to his
being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that
Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he
fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as
well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!"
PUBLIC HOLIDAY
The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The
whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the
reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - as a Public
Holiday in every Christian nation from America to
Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What
makes Good Friday" so good? "it is the death of
Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our
sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the
cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? "YES!" says the
Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that
the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence
the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to
Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then
back again to Pilate. The vested interests were
afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero.
He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do
away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so.
However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him
on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him
down from the cross before sunset on Friday because
of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m.
on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy
21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an
"accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to
remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be
not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for
an inheritance."
To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and
Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down
the body from the cross. They gave the body the
Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred
pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh" (John 19:39),
then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher
before night-fall.
WHY "SUPPOSED"?
There are numerous differences between the various
sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the
above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in
the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still
SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday.
He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night
of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with
this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word
'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the
Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out
of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday
night by his "secret disciples" to a more
congenial and restful place, but I have no right to
assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I
have, therefore, repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three
times.
In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was
THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:-
EASTER WEEK
IN THE SEPULCHER
DAYS
NIGHTS
FRIDAY - placed in tomb just before sunset
- nil -
One night
SATURDAY - supposed to be in tomb
One day
One night
SUNDAY - missing before sunrise
- nil -
- nil -
TOTAL
One Day
Two Nights
You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE
day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three
nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus
had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah,
who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the
exact opposite of what the Christians claim had
happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the
same period of time as Jonah was - ALIVE.
SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill
the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician
in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired
result - THREE days and THREE nights. We must not
forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us
that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the
FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.
(Taken from
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/signofjonah.html)
Jesus was NOT crucified.
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If you go to
Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jesus_Christ)
you will find they cite 5 (non-Christian) references
which supposedly prove that 'Isa was crucified.
Someone should refute the claim.
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Dear brother
adnaanshaikh195,
To start with, I do not believe in Easter. Nor do I
celebrate Good Friday, Easter Sunday or even
Christmas. They are traditions which are followed by
men and not condoned by God as said in the Bibles:
Mark 7:6-8
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied
about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are
holding on to human traditions.”
The following link offers an explanation which is
based more on the Bible. http://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html
When talking about the death of Jesus, the Bible is
talking about the death of the flesh. The spirit can
never die - even our spirits live after the body is
dead. It is the body that was dead and placed in the
tomb whereas the spirit of Lord Jesus was alive in
the heart of the Earth just as Jonah was alive in
the belly of the fish:
Mark 15:45-46
45 And when he learned from the centurion that he
was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46 And
Joseph[a] bought a linen shroud, and taking him
down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him
in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he
rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.
After the 3 days, the body was no longer found in
the tomb as the Lord Jesus's ressurrection had
occured.
Mathew Chapter 27: 63-66 describes how the soldiers
placed a Roman Seal on the tomb which in those times
meant that anyone breaking it would suffer an
unpleasant death.
63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor
said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days
I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be
made secure until the third day, lest his disciples
go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has
risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be
worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them, “You
have a guard[a] of soldiers. Go, make it as secure
as you can.” 66 So they went and made the tomb
secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard.
The following passage described what happened when 3
women that followed Jesus went to the tomb.
Mathew 28:2-6
2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an
angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and
rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His
appearance was like lightning, and his clothing
white as snow. 4 And for fear of him the guards
trembled and became like dead men. 5 But the angel
said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know
that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not
here, for he has risen, as he said. Come, see the
place where he[a] lay.
Please feel free to reply if you would like anything
to be explained or answered further. In the
meantime, I pray to Almighty God that you may all
grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and
Saviour Jesus Christ. God bless you.
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When talking about the
death of Jesus, the Bible is talking about the
death of the flesh. The spirit can never die -
even our spirits live after the body is dead.
Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
Prophet Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never died
even according to the New Testament itself.
From
https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:
He received medicine and massaging from Mary
Magdalene and others during this time. He then
"rose up from the dead" and left the tomb (cave).
1- Notice in Luke 24:1, the women came to the tomb
with medicine and found Jesus gone. If he was
already dead, they would have no reason to bring
this to dead Jesus. But Jesus was alive and was
receiving medical treatment.
2- Also, notice in John 20:15, Mary Magdalene
thought Jesus was a gardener, after he healed and
rose back up.
3- And in John 20:17, Jesus was still in pain, he
told Mary Magdalene "touch me not!".
4- And in John 20:19-29, Jesus showed his original
body to the disciples, and they checked it.
Jesus Christ:
(1)- Never actually died. He has always been alive
in the tomb receiving medical treatment.
(2)- He was never buried underground, or in a
coffin. He was laid on the floor, alive.
And to really give a detailed answer, I would
recommend first watching Dr. Zakir Naik's 3-hour
debate (see link above) and respond
to the many New Testament verses that he put forth
that proved that Christ never died.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Hi Brother Osama,
Firstly I shall address medicine administered to
Jesus that you speak of.
Luke 24:1
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn,
they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had
prepared.
I would disagree that it was a form of medical
treatment. It was, in fact, a Jewish custom to
prepare the body by using frankinsense, oils, spices
etc. Here is a passage of Lord Jesus talking about
His burial before his crucifixion:
3 Mary therefore took a pound[a] of expensive
ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet
of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house
was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4 But
Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was
about to betray him), said, 5 “Why was this
ointment not sold for three hundred denarii
and given to the poor?” 6 He said this, not
because he cared about the poor, but because he was
a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used
to help himself to what was put into it. 7 Jesus
said, “Leave her alone, so that she may keep it[c]
for the day of my burial.
His body was buried in the tomb as it says in the
Bible.
Secondly, dear brother, it absolutely does not say
in John 20:17 that Jesus told Mary to not touch him
as he was still in pain. This is what it says:
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I
have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my
brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my
Father and your Father, to my God and your
God.’”
As you read the full verse, you can see that the
explanation you suggested is entirely different to
what the Bible says. I urge you in the name of Lord
Jesus to not misrepresent the word of God. You may
not believe in it but, dear brother, if only you
could see how it does amazing works amongst those
who trust in His name.
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and
active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing
to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and
of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and
intentions of the heart.
Lastly, I fail to see how it is possible for one to
say that the New Testament provides verses which
show that Jesus never died. The following verses are
a few examples which showed that he did die:
Mark 15:37-39
37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his
last. 38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in
two, from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion,
who stood facing him, saw that in this way he[a]
breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was
the Son of God!”
John 19:32-37
32 So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the
first, and of the other who had been crucified with
him. 33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that he
was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34
But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a
spear, and at once there came out blood and water.
35 He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony
is true, and he knows that he is telling the
truth—that you also may believe. 36 For these
things took place that the Scripture might be
fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be
broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says,
“They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
God bless you all, may the grace of Lord Jesus be
with you.
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Sorry, I
accidently replaced this post with the one below.
The original one for this one got lost. But it's
ok. My answer below is thorough, insha'Allah (if
Allah Almighty is Willing).
Also, my rebuttals started from the following first
post of mine in this thread:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2677.html#msg2677.
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Dear Brother
Osama,
The oinment worth 300 denarii was not wasted. The
passage I referred to in my previous post was from
John 12:1-7. This shows that when Jesus was in the
house of Lazarus when Mary anointed Lord Jesus's
feet with the ointment - verse 3 Mary therefore took
a pound[a] of expensive ointment made from pure
nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his
feet with her hair. The house was filled with the
fragrance of the perfume.
If you look at Mathew 26:6-12, Jesus is again in
Bethany but this time he is at the house of Simon
the leper. The woman came to him with "an alabaster
jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on
his head as he was reclining at the table". Lord
Jesus says in verse 12, "In pouring this ointment
on my body, she has done it to prepare me for
burial." None of his words are in vain.
I find it difficult to believe that you suggested
that Lord Jesus faked his own death. Firstly, if he
did not want to die, all he had to do was to was ask
God and he would be saved. When Lord Jesus was
arrested and his disciples tried to prevent this by
taking the sword, this is what Lord Jesus said,
Mathew 26:52,53
52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back
into its place. For all who take the sword will
perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot
appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me
more than twelve legions of angels?
Secondly, Lord Jesus would basically be lying if he
had faked his own death. And since he had said that
he came to do the will of the Father, you are
suggesting that God lied to all the people who were
at the crucifixion. There are two points to consider
here. What purpose would this have achieved? If it
was God's will that Jesus shouldn't die, then surely
it would have been better to save him publicly so
that sinners may repent, listen to Jesus and turn to
the Father. Most importantly, God is righteous and
truthful.
Isaiah 45:19
I did not speak in secret,
in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
‘Seek me in vain.’[a]
I the Lord speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
In a world that was at the time already full of
darkness, idolatory and lies, would God really give
people another lie to believe in?
Your points on
https://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same
meaning that it was written in. As time does not
permit me to go through them all, I shall address a
couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be
OK to lie nor did he lie.
Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his
glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading
it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order
that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a
sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a
hypothetical situation - note the use of the word
'if'.
Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry,
but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out
of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense
of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of
selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to
afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only
that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake
of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show
that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of
some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their
own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their
lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of
the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is
spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it
is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts -
not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who
lie will have to stand before God in judgement.
This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9 And
it is my prayer that your love may abound more and
more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that
you may approve what is excellent, and so be
pure and blameless for
the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of
righteousness that comes
through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of
God. As this is what he believed and urged others to
do, he would not lie.
John 6:35
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life;
whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and
whoever believes in me
shall never thirst
God bless you all.
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Dear Brother Osama,
The oinment worth 300 denarii was not wasted.
The passage I referred to in my previous post
was from John 12:1-7. This shows that when Jesus
was in the house of Lazarus when Mary anointed
Lord Jesus's feet with the ointment - verse 3
Mary therefore took a pound[a] of expensive
ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the
feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair.
The house was filled with the fragrance of the
perfume.
Dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus Christ
was already an annointed Messiah before the
crucifixion. He wasn't just a mere Prophet and just
Jesus. No, he was the Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed
Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic). So, the women
coming to the tomb with "spices" is a misleading
interpretation and a translation, because there was
no need to annoint him in the tomb. And why
would you annoint a dead person to become the
Messiah anyway?? So this clearly shows
that in Luke 24:1, the women actually came to the
tomb (cave which Christ was laying on the floor in)
with MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead
one), and not just mere spices.
Furthermore, if they truly wanted to annoint him to
be the Messiah in the tomb (cave), then they
would've also brought men with them. Three women
sounds very suspicious, if not ridiculous, to
annoint THE LORD MESSIAH, the King of the Jews and
King of entire earth when he returns.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise!
- Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them.
- They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues.
- Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15
"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
Paul also commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11–13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?
Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس
***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD.
2. Glorious.
3. "the chosen one".
4. The "Anointed".
5. ruler over earth.
6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle: 
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles? .
If you look at Mathew
26:6-12, Jesus is again in Bethany but this time
he is at the house of Simon the leper. The woman
came to him with "an alabaster jar of very
expensive perfume, which she poured on his head
as he was reclining at the table". Lord Jesus
says in verse 12, "In pouring this ointment on
my body, she has done it to prepare me for
burial." None of his words are in vain.
You see, this is where the New Testament shows its
corruption and fabrications. What does a wiping of
Jesus to make him the Messiah, in front of people
and the disciples, have to do with burial? And who
told you that "burial" here means actual death? The
Bible is so filled with metaphores that you really
can't take it literally. The Bible in so many
verses uses terms such as GOD, DEATH, LIFE loosely.
Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.
Burried to us today means that one would be placed
in a coffin and burried underground. This NEVER
happened to Jesus. He was only put in a cave on the
floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there for 3 or
so days. So no burrial occured, which further
proves that the Bible here is also speaking in
metaphores:
I find it difficult to
believe that you suggested that Lord Jesus faked
his own death. Firstly, if he did not want to
die, all he had to do was to was ask God and he
would be saved. When Lord Jesus was arrested and
his disciples tried to prevent this by taking
the sword, this is what Lord Jesus said,
Mathew 26:52,53
52 Then Jesus said to him, Put your sword back
into its place. For all who take the sword will
perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I
cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once
send me more than twelve legions of angels?
Telling half-truth and tricking the enemy is nothing
new in the Bible. Yahweh Almighty did it in the Old
Testament:
1 Samuel 16:1-13
1 The LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you mourn
for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over
Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way;
I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have
chosen one of his sons to be king."
2 But Samuel said, "How can I go? Saul will hear
about it and kill me." The LORD said, "Take a heifer
with you and say, 'I have come to sacrifice
to the LORD.'
3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice,
and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint
for me the one I indicate."
4 Samuel did what the LORD said. When he arrived at
Bethlehem, the elders of the town trembled when they
met him. They asked, "Do you come in peace?"
5 Samuel replied, "Yes, in peace; I have come to
sacrifice to the LORD. Consecrate yourselves and
come to the sacrifice with me." Then he consecrated
Jesse and his sons and invited them to the
sacrifice.
6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought,
"Surely the LORD's anointed stands here before the
LORD."
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his
appearance or his height, for I have rejected him.
The LORD does not look at the things man looks at.
Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD
looks at the heart."
8 Then Jesse called Abinadab and had him pass in
front of Samuel. But Samuel said, "The LORD has not
chosen this one either."
9 Jesse then had Shammah pass by, but Samuel said,
"Nor has the LORD chosen this one."
10 Jesse had seven of his sons pass before Samuel,
but Samuel said to him, "The LORD has not chosen
these."
11 So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you
have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse
answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel
said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he
arrives."
12 So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy,
with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then
the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."
13 So Samuel took the horn of oil and
anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and
from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon
David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah.
So as we clearly see, Yahweh Almighty Himself
supposedly tricked the enemies of David into
thinking that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in
actuality this wasn't his primary purpose and
mission. His primary mission was to annoint David,
which was kept hidden under the Command of
GOD Almighty.
Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING SPIRITS
THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in the Old
Testament?
1 Kings 22:21-23
21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the
LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go
out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his
prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing
him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put
a lying spirit in the
mouths of all these prophets of yours. The
LORD has decreed disaster for you."
2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be
a lying spirit
in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You
will succeed in enticing him,' said the
LORD. 'Go and do it.'
So why couldn't Jesus Christ fake his death on the
cross? And even if he never faked it, he could've
easily passed out from all of the fatigueness and
tiredness that his body had to endure. But he most
certainly never died.
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
Secondly, Lord Jesus
would basically be lying if he had faked his own
death. And since he had said that he came to do
the will of the Father, you are suggesting that
God lied to all the people who were at the
crucifixion. There are two points to consider
here. What purpose would this have achieved? If
it was God's will that Jesus shouldn't die, then
surely it would have been better to save him
publicly so that sinners may repent, listen to
Jesus and turn to the Father. Most importantly,
God is righteous and truthful.
Isaiah 45:19
I did not speak in secret,
in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
‘Seek me in vain.’[a]
I the Lord speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
In a world that was at the time already full of
darkness, idolatory and lies, would God really
give people another lie to believe in?
My dear brother, you are the one who is considering
it a lie, when the Bible clearly permits it.
As to your question: "What purpose would this have
achieved? If it was God's will that Jesus shouldn't
die, then surely it would have been better to save
him publicly so that sinners may repent, listen to
Jesus and turn to the Father."
In Islam, we don't believe the Lord Jesus Christ
(Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh in Arabic) died, nor got
crucified. My discussion with you, dear brother, is
based on what the New Testament currently says. And
even with what the New Testament says, we can
clearly see that Christ never died. But the Islamic
point of view is Jesus was saved.
And again like I mentioned in my previous reply,
this is assuming that he was actually put on the
cross from the first place. If you remember the New
Testament account, Pilot stood BETWEEN TWO
"JESUS SON OF HIS FATHER" (Jesus Baraba)
when he stood before the multitudes. We had two
Jesus' whose fathers were not known. Our Jesus
Christ was also called Jesus son of his father,
because he had no known human father. So it is
quite possible that our Lord Jesus Christ (Al-Sayyed
Al-Maseeh) never got crucified at all. The other
Jesus was a rebel who killed two Roman soldiers,
because he was a Jew who didn't want his people to
be ruled by pagans. For more details, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/which_jesus_released_and_which_crucified.htm
Your points on
https://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
do not look at the verses in the Bible in the
same meaning that it was written in. As time
does not permit me to go through them all, I
shall address a couple for now. Paul is not
saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he
lie.
Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to
his glory, why am I still being condemned as a
sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon
reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a
lie in order that God may be glorified, I would
be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is
talking about a hypothetical situation - note
the use of the word 'if'.
Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and
rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The
latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put
here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The
former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition,
not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my
imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every
way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is
proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
You say that this shows that Paul lied for the
sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do
not show that at all. What Paul says is that he
is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord
Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul
rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that
they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he
not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the
saving of many lives? After all, it is the
spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not
men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who
lie will have to stand before God in judgement.
This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9
And it is my prayer that your love may abound
more and more, with knowledge and all
discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is
excellent, and so be pure
and blameless for the day of Christ, 11
filled with the fruit of
righteousness that comes through Jesus
Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this
is what he believed and urged others to do, he
would not lie.
My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about
Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he would.
No need to re-translate it and re-interpret it.
Here is what the English translation says:
Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy
and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put
here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition,
not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up
trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is
that in every way, whether from false
motives or true, Christ is preached. And
because of this I rejoice.
Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the
profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were
intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their
want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness
of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every
man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be
justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when
thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the
righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God
unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the
world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie
abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged
as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come?
whose condemnation is just. [/quote]
John 6:35
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of
life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and
whoever believes in me
shall never thirst
God bless you all.
The Lord Jesus Christ (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh in
Arabic) is nothing without his Creator, GOD
Almighty. All authority was given to Jesus here on
earth, and earth only, by GOD Almighty. GOD
Almighty made him the heir of earth:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
Furthermore, Jesus' attributes here on earth, such
as forging sins and what have you, - which are
heavily used by Trinitarians to prove their
blasphemies about Jesus being the Creator of the
Universe, - do not prove anything. Let us examine
the following verses to shed more light on this
point:
Luke 5:17-24
Jesus Forgives and Heals a Paralyzed Man
17 One day Jesus was teaching, and Pharisees and
teachers of the law were sitting there. They had
come from every village of Galilee and from Judea
and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was with
Jesus to heal the sick.
18 Some men came carrying a paralyzed man on a mat
and tried to take him into the house to lay him
before Jesus.
19 When they could not find a way to do this because
of the crowd, they went up on the roof and lowered
him on his mat through the tiles into the middle of
the crowd, right in front of Jesus.
20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend,
your sins are forgiven.”
21 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began
thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who
speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but
God alone?”
22 Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked,
“Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?
23 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are
forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’?
24 But I want you to know that
the Son of Man has authority ON
EARTH to forgive sins.” So he said
to the paralyzed man, “I tell you, get up, take
your mat and go home.”
Jesus' authority was ONLY earthly. It was limited
to this planet earth, and nothing more! And this is
nothing new in the Bible, by the way. Others in the
Old Testament were able to do these things, and also
raise the dead
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm).
So Jesus being the bread of life, and having the
authority to forgive sins, and what have you is
nothing but metaphores, and privileges that were
given to him by his Creator, Allah Almighty.
Otherwise, Jesus is absolutely a nothing and a
nobody when compared to GOD Almighty. In fact, add
all creations with Jesus and still we all add up to
absolute nothing when compared to GOD Almighty.
And I would like remind you that the Lord Christ
always rejected to be elated by humans, and he
always reminded them that GOD Almighty is Absolute
One, and no one is beside Him, and no one is part of
Him, the Almighty:
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this:
'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord
is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
Notice the "our God". GOD Almighty is Jesus' GOD
and Creator. It's really simple, dear brother.
It's very simple. It's the Trinitarians who are the
lost and complicated ones.
""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No
one is good–except God alone." (From
the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
"I do nothing of myself" (John 8:28)
Even when Christ performed Miracles, he always took
permission from GOD Almighty, and seeking GOD
Almighty to give him the power to perform the
Miracle. He couldn't do a thing by himself.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
I hope this helps, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is
Willing).
Take care, and may Allah Almighty further opens your
heart, shed His Light upon you, and lead you more
and more to Islam. Ameen.
Osama Abdallah
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Hi Brother Osama,
So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus
Christ was already an annointed Messiah before
the crucifixion. He wasn't just a mere Prophet
and just Jesus. No, he was the Lord Messiah
(Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic). So,
the women coming to the tomb with "spices" is a
misleading interpretation and a translation,
because there was no need to annoint him in the
tomb. And why would you annoint a dead
person to become the Messiah anyway??
So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the
women actually came to the tomb (cave which
Christ was laying on the floor in) with MEDICINE
to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead one), and
not just mere spices.
There is nothing that suggests that the women came
to anoint Lord Jesus so that he may become Messiah.
It was just common Jewish burial practice to wash
the body, wrap it in linen cloth and anointed with
spices and oils. A basic definition of the word
'anoint' is 'To apply oil, ointment, or a similar
substance'. There are examples in the Bible where
anointing is used to sanctify someone such as a King
but in the case of a burial, the definition I have
given here is the most fitting.
http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html
Furthermore, Jesus was never burried. Burried
to us today means that one would be placed in a
coffin and burried underground. This NEVER
happened to Jesus. He was only put in a cave on
the floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there
for 3 or so days. So no burrial occured, which
further proves that the Bible here is also
speaking in metaphores:
Jesus was buried in a tomb - it was not uncommon in
those times. Abraham and Jacob was buried in a tomb
as it says in the Bible
Acts 7: 15-16
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he
and our fathers, 16 and they were carried back to
Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought
for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in
Shechem.
Genesis 25:8-9
8 Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old
age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered
to his people. 9 Isaac and Ishmael his sons buried
him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron
the son of Zohar the Hittite, east of Mamre,
Your points on
https://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
do not look at the verses in the Bible in
the same meaning that it was written in. As
time does not permit me to go through them
all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul
is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor
did he lie.
Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds
to his glory, why am I still being condemned
as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon
reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell
a lie in order that God may be glorified, I
would be condemned as a sinner irregardless.
Paul is talking about a hypothetical
situation - note the use of the word 'if'.
Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and
rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The
latter do it out of love, knowing that I am
put here for the defense of the gospel. 17
The former proclaim Christ out of selfish
ambition, not sincerely but thinking to
afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then?
Only that in every way, whether in pretense
or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in
that I rejoice.
You say that this shows that Paul lied for
the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These
verses do not show that at all. What Paul
says is that he is aware of some who
proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their
own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not
in their lies but in the truth that they say
- the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not
rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the
saving of many lives? After all, it is the
spirit of God who works in people's hearts -
not men whether they be liars or truthful.
Those who lie will have to stand before God
in judgement.
This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11
9 And it is my prayer that your love may
abound more and more, with knowledge and all
discernment, 10 so that you may approve what
is excellent, and so be
pure and blameless for the day of
Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of
righteousness
that comes through Jesus Christ, to the
glory and praise of God. As this is what he
believed and urged others to do, he would
not lie.
My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about
Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he
would. No need to re-translate it and
re-interpret it. Here is what the English
translation says:
Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of
envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am
put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish
ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can
stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing
is that in every way, whether from false
motives or true, Christ is preached.
And because of this I rejoice.
Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is
the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were
intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall
their want of faith make of none effect the
faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but
every man a liar; as it is written, That thou
mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest
prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the
righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God
unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the
world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie
abounded unto his glory, why am I also still
judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may
come? whose condemnation is just.
Dear Brother, the Holy Spirit is my witness when I
say I did not re-interpret it or retranslate the
passage, I just explained in simpler terms. After
all, who am I to add to or take away from the word
of God? You don't need to look beyond these verses
to come to the conclusion I came to. For example,
Romans 3:7 - But if the truth of God through my lie
abounded unto his glory, why am
I also still judged as a sinner? Well, it is
100% clear in this verse that I would still be
condemned as a sinner even if a lie I tell is for
the glory of God. Similarly, in verses Philippians
1:15-18, the passage is very clear - there is only 1
meaning of this - some people are preaching Christ
out of false motives - 'envy and rivalry' so that
'they can stir up trouble for me while I am in
chains'. The lying that you refer to is the 'false
motives' that Paul describes. This says that the lie
is that people pretend they preach out of goodwill
but it is actually for their 'selfish ambition'.They
are competing with Paul whilst he is imprisoned.
Paul is saying he doesn't care (i.e. about the envy
and rivalry) but he rejoices as Christ is preached.
I just cannot see from where you got the idea that
Paul would lie if he had to.
So as we clearly see,
Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly tricked the
enemies of David into thinking that Samuel came
to sacrifice, when in actuality this wasn't his
primary purpose and mission. His primary
mission was to annoint David, which was kept
hidden under the Command of GOD Almighty.
Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist.
Yes, God did not allow Samuel to reveal His plans to
Saul. Why would he? It wasn't the time when God
wanted David to be revealed as the King of Israel.
That is not the same as lying.
Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING
SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in
the Old Testament?
This is the passage that you are referring to:
1 Kings 22:17-23
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel
scattered on the hills like sheep without a
shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no
master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat,
“Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies
anything good about me, but only bad?”
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of
the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with
all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on
his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said,
‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead
and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally,
a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and
said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the
mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the
Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in
the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord
has decreed disaster for you.”
King Ahab wants to go to battle and he was
Jehoshaphat to go with him. Jehoshaphat wants to ask
the Lord before going for battle so the King calls
out 400 false prophets and they all say that the
King will be victorious. Jehoshaphat is not
convinced and he wants to hear from a prophet of the
Lord and therefore Micaiah is called. He prophesied
disaster.
We can see that King Ahab, unlike Jehoshaphat, had
already made up his mind to do what was against the
will of God (i.e. go to war) before he had even
heard from the prophet of the Lord. God permitted a
a lying spirit to be in all the false prophets. This
highlights the absolute sovereignty over all things.
Even the lying spirit cannot do anything unless God
allows them to. If someone wants to commit a murder,
they may have that spirit of Satan in him but it is
there because God allowed it to be there. If someone
is not under the mighty hand of God, they are open
to attack - this due to the choices made by people
to turn away from God. God protects all who trust in
his name - he protects them from Satan, from people
etc. However, Satan is free to destroy those who are
not the children of God - and yes, Satan cannot do
anything unless God allows it to happen. But you can
see that the Spirit of God did not lie to Ahab -
Micaiah prophesied disaster and revealed everything.
I am aware that it says the Quran that it appeared
to them that Jesus was crucified. Well, if that were
true, Allah would be lying. Also, there is
absolutely no reason why this 'false vision' would
be of any use to anyone.
My discussion with
you, dear brother, is based on what the New
Testament currently says. And even with what
the New Testament says, we can clearly see that
Christ never died.
The New Testament does say that Jesus died in many
places one of which is below.
Mark 15:37-39
37 With a loud cry, Jesus
breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from
top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood
there in front of Jesus, saw how he
died,[a] he said, Surely
this man was the Son of God!
All authority was
given to Jesus here on earth, and earth only, by
GOD Almighty. GOD Almighty made him the heir of
earth:
This is not entirely true.
Mathew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority
in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Also, if you accept that all authority on earth had
been given to Jesus, why would you refrain from
believing what he said and obeying his commands
concerning baptism etc ? Yes, the greatest command
is to love God. Firstly, to love God means to do his
will. Secondly, obeying the greatest commandment
does not mean that one is allowed to diregard the
others - James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole
law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of
breaking all of it.
When Jesus came to the Earth, he came to do the will
of the Father and did everything through His Holy
Spirit. No one denies that. Before he was born as a
man, he was in the same nature of God but he hold
onto his equality with God but left that to come to
Earth for the salvation of mankind.
Philippians 2:6-11
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to
be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is
Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Yes, Jesus did not want to be exalted by men when he
was a man but as we can see in the New Testament, he
was worshipped after his resurrection when he was no
longer of human form.
Dear brothers and sisters, I urge to to seek God's
voice for yourself. The Bible speaks of prophets and
men of God but their testimony is their own. The
Bible shows us the glory of God but we must all seek
the God for ourselves and listen to His voice. I was
only able to accept the Bible as the word of God
after it God revealed it to me. I don't expect that
you will listen to my voice and I wouldn't ask you
to; but you must listen to the voice of God.
Mathew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus said, I praise you, Father,
Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden
these things from the wise and learned, and revealed
them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is
what you were pleased to do.
27 All things have been committed to me by my
Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and
no one knows the Father except the Son and those to
whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
If we are wise in our own eyes, the Spirit of God
will not work in us. Let us be like children and so
that we may hear God's voice.
And it is the voice of the Lord that lead me to
where I now stand in Christ from whom nothing can
separate me. I pray that God may do the same for
you.
God bless you all.
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Hi Brother Osama,
So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus
Christ was already an annointed Messiah
before the crucifixion. He wasn't just a
mere Prophet and just Jesus. No, he was the
Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say
in Arabic). So, the women coming to the
tomb with "spices" is a misleading
interpretation and a translation, because
there was no need to annoint him in the
tomb. And why would you annoint a
dead person to become the Messiah anyway??
So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the
women actually came to the tomb (cave which
Christ was laying on the floor in) with
MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a
dead one), and not just mere spices.
There is nothing that suggests that the women
came to anoint Lord Jesus so that he may become
Messiah. It was just common Jewish burial
practice to wash the body, wrap it in linen
cloth and anointed with spices and oils. A basic
definition of the word 'anoint' is 'To apply
oil, ointment, or a similar substance'. There
are examples in the Bible where anointing is
used to sanctify someone such as a King but in
the case of a burial, the definition I have
given here is the most fitting.
http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html
Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.
Burried to us today means that one would be
placed in a coffin and burried underground.
This NEVER happened to Jesus. He was only
put in a cave on the floor, wrapped in
cloths, and rested there for 3 or so days.
So no burrial occured, which further proves
that the Bible here is also speaking in
metaphores:
Jesus was buried in a tomb - it was not uncommon
in those times. Abraham and Jacob was buried in
a tomb as it says in the Bible
Acts 7: 15-16
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died,
he and our fathers, 16 and they were carried
back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that
Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the
sons of Hamor in Shechem.
Genesis 25:8-9
8 Abraham breathed his last and died in a good
old age, an old man and full of years, and was
gathered to his people. 9 Isaac and Ishmael his
sons buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the
field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite,
east of Mamre,
Your points on
https://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
do not look at the verses in the Bible
in the same meaning that it was written
in. As time does not permit me to go
through them all, I shall address a
couple for now. Paul is not saying that
it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.
Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth
abounds to his glory, why am I still
being condemned as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and
upon reading it, it clearly shows that
if I tell a lie in order that God may be
glorified, I would be condemned as a
sinner irregardless. Paul is talking
about a hypothetical situation - note
the use of the word 'if'.
Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy
and rivalry, but others from good will.
16 The latter do it out of love, knowing
that I am put here for the defense of
the gospel. 17 The former proclaim
Christ out of selfish ambition, not
sincerely but thinking to afflict me in
my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that
in every way, whether in pretense or in
truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that
I rejoice.
You say that this shows that Paul lied
for the sake of the Gospel of Christ.
These verses do not show that at all.
What Paul says is that he is aware of
some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus
for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul
rejoices not in their lies but in the
truth that they say - the Gospel of the
Lord. How can he not rejoice when the
Gospel is spread for the saving of many
lives? After all, it is the spirit of
God who works in people's hearts - not
men whether they be liars or truthful.
Those who lie will have to stand before
God in judgement.
This is what Paul says in Philippians
1:9-11 9 And it is my prayer that your
love may abound more and more, with
knowledge and all discernment, 10 so
that you may approve what is excellent,
and so be pure and
blameless for the day of Christ,
11 filled with the fruit of
righteousness
that comes through Jesus Christ, to the
glory and praise of God. As this is what
he believed and urged others to do, he
would not lie.
My dear brother, the text is crystal clear
about Paul saying that if he had to lie,
then he would. No need to re-translate it
and re-interpret it. Here is what the
English translation says:
Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of
envy and rivalry, but others out of
goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I
am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish
ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they
can stir up trouble for me while I am in
chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important
thing is that in every way, whether
from false motives or true, Christ
is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what
is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they
were intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall
their want of faith make of none effect the
faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true,
but every man a liar; as it is written, That
thou mightest be justified in thy words, And
mightest prevail when thou comest into
judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the
righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is
God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge
the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my
lie abounded unto his glory, why am
I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may
come? whose condemnation is just.
Dear Brother, the Holy Spirit is my witness when
I say I did not re-interpret it or retranslate
the passage, I just explained in simpler terms.
After all, who am I to add to or take away from
the word of God? You don't need to look beyond
these verses to come to the conclusion I came
to. For example, Romans 3:7 - But if the truth
of God through my lie abounded unto his glory,
why am I also still judged
as a sinner? Similarly, in verses
Philippians 1:15-18, the passage is very clear -
there is only 1 meaning of this - some people
are preaching Christ out of false motives -
'envy and rivalry' so that 'they can stir up
trouble for me while I am in chains'. The lying
that you refer to is the 'false motives' that
Paul describes. This says that the lie is that
people pretend they preach out of goodwill but
it is actually for their 'selfish ambition'.They
are competing with Paul whilst he is imprisoned.
Paul is saying he doesn't care (i.e. about the
envy and rivalry) but he rejoices as Christ is
preached. I just cannot see from where you got
the idea that Paul would lie if he had to.
Well, it is 100% clear in this verse that I
would still be condemned as a sinner even if a
lie I tell is for the glory of God.
So as we clearly
see, Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly
tricked the enemies of David into thinking
that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in
actuality this wasn't his primary purpose
and mission. His primary mission was to
annoint David, which was kept hidden under
the Command of GOD Almighty.
Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist.
Yes, God did not allow Samuel to reveal His
plans to Saul. Why would he? It wasn't the time
when God wanted David to be revealed as the King
of Israel. That is not the same as lying.
Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING
SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times
in the Old Testament?
This is the passage that you are referring to:
1 Kings 22:17-23
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel
scattered on the hills like sheep without a
shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people
have no master. Let each one go home in
peace.’”
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat,
“Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies
anything good about me, but only bad?”
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word
of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his
throne with all the multitudes of heaven
standing around him on his right and on his
left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice
Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to
his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21
Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the
Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in
the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said
the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit
in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.
The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
King Ahab wants to go to battle and he was
Jehoshaphat to go with him. Jehoshaphat wants to
ask the Lord before going for battle so the King
calls out 400 false prophets and they all say
that the King will be victorious. Jehoshaphat is
not convinced and he wants to hear from a
prophet of the Lord and therefore Micaiah is
called. He prophesied disaster.
We can see that King Ahab, unlike Jehoshaphat,
had already made up his mind to do what was
against the will of God (i.e. go to war) before
he had even heard from the prophet of the Lord.
God permitted a a lying spirit to be in all the
false prophets. This highlights the absolute
sovereignty over all things. Even the lying
spirit cannot do anything unless God allows them
to. If someone wants to commit a murder, they
may have that spirit of Satan in him but it is
there because God allowed it to be there. If
someone is not under the mighty hand of God,
they are open to attack - this due to the
choices made by people to turn away from God.
God protects all who trust in his name - he
protects them from Satan, from people etc.
However, Satan is free to destroy those who are
not the children of God - and yes, Satan cannot
do anything unless God allows it to happen. But
you can see that the Spirit of God did not lie
to Ahab - Micaiah prophesied disaster and
revealed everything.
I am aware that it says the Quran that it
appeared to them that Jesus was crucified. Well,
if that were true, Allah would be lying. Also,
there is absolutely no reason why this 'false
vision' would be of any use to anyone.
My discussion with
you, dear brother, is based on what the New
Testament currently says. And even with
what the New Testament says, we can clearly
see that Christ never died.
The New Testament does say that Jesus died in
many places one of which is below.
Mark 15:37-39
37 With a loud cry, Jesus
breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two
from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion,
who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he
died,[a] he said,
"Surely this man was the Son of
God!"
All authority was
given to Jesus here on earth, and earth
only, by GOD Almighty. GOD Almighty made
him the heir of earth:
This is not entirely true.
Mathew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All
authority in heaven and on earth has been given
to me.
Also, if you accept that all authority on earth
had been given to Jesus, why would you refrain
from believing what he said and obeying his
commands concerning baptism etc ? Yes, the
greatest command is to love God. Firstly, to
love God means to do his will. Secondly, obeying
the greatest commandment does not mean that one
is allowed to diregard the others - James 2:10 -
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles
at just one point is guilty of breaking all of
it.
When Jesus came to the Earth, he came to do the
will of the Father and did everything through
His Holy Spirit. No one denies that. Before he
was born as a man, he was in the same nature of
God but he hold onto his equality with God but
left that to come to Earth for the salvation of
mankind.
Philippians 2:6-11
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something
to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a
servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every
name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus
Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Yes, Jesus did not want to be exalted by men
when he was a man but as we can see in the New
Testament, he was worshipped after his
resurrection when he was no longer of human
form.
Dear brothers and sisters, I urge to to seek
God's voice for yourself. The Bible speaks of
prophets and men of God but their testimony is
their own. The Bible shows us the glory of God
but we must all seek the God for ourselves and
listen to His voice. I was only able to accept
the Bible as the word of God after it God
revealed it to me. I don't expect that you will
listen to my voice and I wouldn't ask you to;
but you must listen to the voice of God.
Mathew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus said, I praise you,
Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you
have hidden these things from the wise and
learned, and revealed them to little children.
26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were
pleased to do.
27 All things have been committed to me by my
Father. No one knows the Son except the Father,
and no one knows the Father except the Son and
those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
If we are wise in our own eyes, the Spirit of
God will not work in us. Let us be like children
and so that we may hear God's voice.
And it is the voice of the Lord that lead me to
where I now stand in Christ from whom nothing
can separate me. I pray that God may do the same
for you.
God bless you all.
Blablabla, Jesus
is not God, end off.
Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus, they
worship him, and their people are full of
pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made laws,
rape, pedophilia, etc.
Worship God alone.
There is none worthy of worship except God alone.
Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent by
God.
'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.
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Blablabla, Jesus is
not God, end off.
Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus,
they worship him, and their people are full of
pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made
laws, rape, pedophilia, etc.
Worship God alone.
There is none worthy of worship except God
alone.
Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent
by God.
'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.
Dear adnaanshaikh195,
If there is anything from my previous post that you
wish to address specifically, please feel free to do
so.
Jesus is called the begotten Son of God - that he
was born by the Holy Spirit (i.e. without a worldly
father) and not by the will of flesh.
In John 3:16, Jesus says
For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
It does not matter what Christian countries do -
those who follow Christ from their heart would never
engage in the activities you have described. In
every religion, there are people who hurt others and
sin against God.
Worshipping Jesus is the same as worshipping the
Father because they are one.
John 14:11
11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and
the Father is in me; or at least believe on the
evidence of the works themselves.
There are many instances where people worshipped
Jesus in the Bible.
Mathew 2:11, The wise men who came to see Jesus
worshipped him
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw
the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down,
and worshipped him: and
when they had opened their treasures, they presented
unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
John 9:38, The blind man worshipped Jesus
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he
worshiped him.
In John 20, Thomas calls Jesus "God" when he
appeared to the disciples after resurrection. Thomas
did not believe that Jesus had resurrected after his
death and he said he would not believe until he sees
for himself.
John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the
Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen
the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks
in his hands and put my finger where the nails were,
and put my hand into his side, I will not
believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house
again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors
were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and
said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to
Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach
out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting
and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My
Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me,
you have believed; blessed are those who have not
seen and yet have believed.”
Praise the Lord,
God bless you all.
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Blablabla, Jesus
is not God, end off.
Christian 'countries' do not even follow
Jesus, they worship him, and their people
are full of pornography, homosexuality,
paganism, man-made laws, rape, pedophilia,
etc.
Worship God alone.
There is none worthy of worship except God
alone.
Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger
sent by God.
'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.
Dear adnaanshaikh195,
If there is anything from my previous post that
you wish to address specifically, please feel
free to do so.
Jesus is called the begotten Son of God - that
he was born by the Holy Spirit (i.e. without a
worldly father) and not by the will of flesh.
In John 3:16, Jesus says
For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
It does not matter what Christian countries do -
those who follow Christ from their heart would
never engage in the activities you have
described. In every religion, there are people
who hurt others and sin against God.
Worshipping Jesus is the same as worshipping the
Father because they are one.
John 14:11
11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father
and the Father is in me; or at least believe on
the evidence of the works themselves.
There are many instances where people worshipped
Jesus in the Bible.
Mathew 2:11, The wise men who came to see Jesus
worshipped him
11 And when they were come into the house, they
saw the young child with Mary his mother, and
fell down, and worshipped
him: and when they had opened their
treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold,
and frankincense and myrrh.
John 9:38, The blind man worshipped Jesus
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and
he worshiped him.
In John 20, Thomas calls Jesus "God" when he
appeared to the disciples after resurrection.
Thomas did not believe that Jesus had
resurrected after his death and he said he would
not believe until he sees for himself.
John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of
the Twelve, was not with the disciples when
Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him,
“We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail
marks in his hands and put my finger where the
nails were, and put my hand into his side, I
will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house
again, and Thomas was with them. Though the
doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among
them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then
he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see
my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my
side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My
Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen
me, you have believed; blessed are those who
have not seen and yet have believed.”
Praise the Lord,
God bless you all.
Dear Brother Jesus.breadoflife,
You'll have to excuse adnaanshaikh195 here. His
primary argument method is "blahblahblah I don't
wanna read what you wrote, it probably sucks anyway.
I am right. You are just an evil twisted psychopath.
Grow up kid". You see, it's really hard coping in
debates and discussions when alcohol hits the sweet
spot, or as you may know it, the brain.
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Brother Jesus.breadoflife,
You'll have to excuse adnaanshaikh195 here. His
primary argument method is "blahblahblah I don't
wanna read what you wrote, it probably sucks
anyway. I am right. You are just an evil twisted
psychopath. Grow up kid". You see, it's really
hard coping in debates and discussions when
alcohol hits the sweet spot, or as you may know
it, the brain.
Let us all submit ourselves into the hands of God
who is able to remove our shortfalls. I bear no ill
will or anger towards anyone but love you all in
Christ.
May the grace of Almighty God be with you.
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I know I am off
topic here but could you direct my comment to Osama
Abdallah - My NOBEL ally in the fight against our
COMMON ENEMY, the "SO CALLED JEW" and fellow seeker
of the truth!
I was researching an article I am writing titled;
"BLATANT ANTI-SEMITE JESUS CHRIST" when I came upon
your Site through this link; Was Jesus sent to the
Jews only, or - Answering Christianity:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_mankind.htm
Now I do not seek to belittle you or your
knowledge, but JESUS was NOT a JEW! That is a
"JEWISH FABLE". Jesus knew who those VIPERS were and
exposed them, and they wanted to murder Jesus for
that.
In your article you quoted from Matthew 10:5-6 and
if you read all of it and then the next chapter you
will see; WHAT JESUS DID!
Matthew 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had
made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he
departed thence to teach and to preach in their
cities. (Their so called, JEW™ Cities) JESUS did
indeed come to seek the LOST sheep of the (ten
Tribes) of ISRAEL and they were not and have NEVER
been JEWS! This is a truth the even Christians HATE!
The JEWS have infiltrated the Christian Seminaries
and Churches, and deceived them, and their pride
will not allow them to see the PLAIN truth.
Anyway, I have said that the ARAB People are my ally
since 1989, we ALL share a common enemy that seeks
to destroy us ALL, They want us to fight and hate
each other and those disgusting Christian Zionist's
are all to willing to be manipulated by the Vipers
that want to bring about the N.W.O. AT my website I
have presented the irrefutable truth that is hated
by JEWS and Christians a like! The Christians hate
me (A CHRISTAN) because I point out the fact that
they have chosen to believe JEWISH FABLES!
If you find the time check out just WHO those JEWS
really are!
http://www.edomsthorn.wordpress.com/edom-the-story-of-jacob-and-esau-is-
PEACE to you and yours
E.T.
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Peace be upon you dear brother
Jesus.breadoflife,
You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian
blasphemeis. It's really not that difficult to see
from the New Testament how Jesus Christ, peace be
upon him, is only a creation of GOD Almighty.
Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist.
I do not wish to drag this too long, because I have
a lot of things to do. But all of your points above
had been soundly and thoroughly refuted at:
www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.
The Doubting Thomas:
Doubting Thomas said
"My Lord and my God"
to Jesus. The church thoroughly admits that NT is badly altered, and earliest copies of NT don't date before year 200. So not only the Aramaic original language of Jesus was never documented, hence his original sayings are permanently lost, but the Greek writings (a language Jesus never spoke) had been badly corrupted. Trinity and all its faulty analysis are based on writings that are totally off (different language and phrases spoken altogether) and utter nonsense. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was
the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:
For ample more details, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles
were unique)
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
Jesus and the Father are One:
Jesus is one in the Father. Yes. But Jesus also
said that his followers are one in him, and he is
one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all
of the Believers are one in the Father
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/john10_30.htm)
[2
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.mp4)].
Why did you ignore this part?
Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the
reader?
"Son of GOD" Title:
As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten son
of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old Testament
to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD
ALMIGHTY! And even the Bible itself defines
Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer and Servant
of GOD Almighty. Also, Jesus Chist reduced
his "Son of GOD" title to be even BELOW the "God"
(Elohim) title that is given to every single
Believer. The reader can visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs from the NT.
FRIENDS = SONS:
In fact, we further read the following in the Bibles:
Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have
chosen, you descendants of
Abraham my friend,
Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of
this land before your people Israel and give it
forever to the descendants of
Abraham your friend?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham
believed God, and it was credited to him as
righteousness," and he
was called God's friend.
So being GOD Almighty's
"SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's
"FRIEND". Now compare this to the
following from the Holy Quran:
[002:257] Allah is the
friend and patron of those who believe.
He brings them out of the depths of darkness into
light. While those who do not believe, have the
forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out
of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such
ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will
stay there forever.
[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among
you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though
Allah was their Friend
and Protector? In Allah (alone),
should the believers place their trust!
[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who
submits his whole self to God, does good, and
follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith?
For God did take Abraham
for a friend.
So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and
the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only
means that GOD Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.
Again dear brother, please visit the following link
to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses
for these words and definitions:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203
BEGET = CHOSE:
Regarding the above quote:
King James Bible Psalm
2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said
unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee.
Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42,
7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious
Quran:
[027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his
servants whom He has
chosen اصطفى (for his Message).
(Who) is better?- God or the false gods they
associate (with Him)?
27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى
ءالله خير اما يشركون
[003:033] God did choose
] اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family
of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all
people,-
3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران
على العالمين
[003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O
Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك
and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of
all nations.
3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك
واصطفاك على نساء العالمين
[007:144] (God) said: "O
Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك
above (other) men, by the mission I (have given
thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take
then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of
those who give thanks."
7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي
وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين
[022:075] God chooses
يصطفي messengers from angels and from men
for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).
22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله
سميع بصير
[035:032] Then We have given the Book for
inheritance to such of Our Servants as
We have chosen اصطفينا:
but there are among them some who wrong their own
souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who
are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is
the highest Grace.
35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا
فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات
باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير
[038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the
company of the Elect
المصطفين and the Good.
38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار
[039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an
(actual) son, He could
have chosen لاصطفى
whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create:
but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He
is God, the One, the Irresistible.
39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق
مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار
Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the
Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD
Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that
Jesus himself also didn't know. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
Jesus spelled it out
clearly that he knew NOT. And as to
calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies
that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in
Islam GOD Almighty is called:
1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home
for being the husband and the father).
2- Wali - Guardian.
In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was
called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab
and Wali. But that doesn't make GOD
Almighty our actual Father. This is exactly as
Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to
spiritual adultery. No Jew is actually married to
GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal
marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the
Jews use metaphors like these. Islam came to
straighten all of this out and to set the record
straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no
daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture
us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and
daughters?? No imperfect being could be an actual
son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or
daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):
[005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say:
"We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why
then doth He punish you for your sins?
Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He
forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He
pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the
heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and
unto Him is the final goal (of all)"
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203
As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well that
many others in the Old Testament were "worshiped"
and bowed down to. Worshiped in the Bible means to
bow to the chosen leader or master and follow him.
It doesn't to pray to him or to worship him as GOD
Almighty is Worshiped! Again,
are you trying to fool or mislead the reader with
trinity-lies and blasphemies??
Definition of "The Father":
Furthermore, did you know that "Father"
in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows
Everything? Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and in
Judaism are called "Father". This is where Roman
Catholics get the "Father" title for their Priests
from. This is also where Jesus Christ, peace be
upon him, was called "Everlasting Father"
[1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)]
(Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being the
Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth) in
Isaiah 9:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)
[1 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)]
[2 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm)]
[3 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)]
[4 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/lord_of_sabbath_lie.htm)]
comes from. GOD Almighty being "The Father"
means that GOD Almighty is the Supreme and All
Knowing GOD Almighty of the Universe. That's what
Father means. And Son means the Righteous Believer
and Follower of GOD Almighty [1 (https://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)].
And again, Jesus Christ being called "Mighty
God" in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean that he is
GOD Almighty, because throughout the Bible, the
Righteous Believers are all called "God"
(Elohim) and "Sons of God". Visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs.
The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him,
was called MIGHTY God was because
he is the Messiah, and the King of the Jews, and the
coming Ruler of the entire Earth who will crush the
anti-Christ. He is the heir of all earth, and ONLY
THE EARTH
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)
according to the Old and New Testaments of the
Bible. So he is no mere God. He is a Mighty God.
But he is NOT the Creator of the Universe. Besides,
many Prophets and Angels were also given Mighty
Godly Names similar to the one given to Christ.
Visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
for ample proofs.
Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD Almighty
created us in His Image. The Bible further defines
being in the "Image of GOD" means having the
Attributes of GOD Almighty that He, the Almighty,
Has put in us, humans. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample details and proofs. This is another
reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called "The
Father". He is the Supreme GOD Almighty who created
man in His Image, by giving him some of His Divine
Attributes:
Genesis 1:26-27
26 Then God said, "Let
us make man in our image, in our likeness,
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the
birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the
earth, and over all the creatures that move along
the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
of God he created him; male and female he created
them.
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes
will be opened, and you will be
like God, knowing good and evil. (From the
NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)"
"and to put on the new self,
created to be like God in true righteousness and
holiness. (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians
4:24)"
"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you
like God to Pharaoh, and
your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (From the
NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)"
"On that day the LORD will shield those who live in
Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be
like David, and the house of David
will be like God, like the Angel
of the LORD going before them.
(From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample more details and proofs.
Jesus had to match
Melchizedek:
And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ had
to be this way (miraculous, has authority, and is
powerful), because he needed to match up with
Melchizedek? Melchizedek had no
father and no mother (Jesus at least had a mother),
and he was the Highest Jewish Priest. And
he was Eternal. Jesus had to at least be
equal to Melchizedek. See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm
110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2014:18,%20Psalm%20110:4,%20Hebrews%205:6-10,%20Hebrews%206:20,%20Hebrews%207:1-20&version=NIV):
Genesis 14:18
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem
brought out bread and wine. He was priest of
God Most High,
Psalm 110:4
4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of
Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 5:6-10
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]
7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries
and tears to the one who could save him from death,
and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what
he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of
eternal salvation for all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest in
the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 6:20
20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has
entered on our behalf.
He has become a high priest forever, in the order of
Melchizedek.
Hebrews 7:1-20
Melchizedek the Priest
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and
priest of God Most High. He met Abraham
returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed
him,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First,
the name Melchizedek means “king of
righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem”
means “king of peace.”
3 Without father or
mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days
or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he
remains a priest forever.
4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch
Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!
5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who
become priests to collect a tenth from the
people—that is, from their fellow
Israelites—even though they also are descended
from Abraham.
6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from
Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and
blessed him who had the promises.
7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the
greater.
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people
who die; but in the other case, by him who is
declared to be living.
9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the
tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was
still in the body of his ancestor.
Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained through
the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given
to the people established that priesthood—why was
there still need for another priest to come,
one in the order of Melchizedek,
not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must
be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a
different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever
served at the altar.
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from
Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said
nothing about priests.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if
another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a
regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of
the power of an
indestructible life
(another proof Jesus Christ never died
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)!).
17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was
weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better
hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became
priests without any oath,
Again, to the reader, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm
A Brotherly Reminder:
I want to end this reply by reminding you also with
the following verses:
Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No
one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only
the Father."
Jesus told his followers that no one (including
Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only
GOD knows. Notice here how "The Father" title was
used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.
Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother
Jesus.breadoflife, then
JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED! If he were
GOD Almighty, he would've certainly known when the
Hour would come. Him denying that he had any
knowledge about the Hour, while he supposedly knew
it, makes him a liar.
Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?"
Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."
Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why
do you call me good? No one is good but God
alone.”?
Trinity is false and a blasphemy. Islam is the
Divine Truth. Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due
to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran
be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us
humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles! And may
Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings
upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and
Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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gotta correct
something here. @jesusbreadoflife: It was
not part of Jewish burial rites to use
spices and linen cloth, that was Egyptian
mummification
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Dear Brother
Osama,
Apologies for the late reply.
Jesus is one in the
Father. Yes. But Jesus also said that his
followers are one in him, and he is one in them,
and they are one in the Father, and all of the
Believers are one in the Father
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/john10_30.htm)
[2
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.mp4)].
Why did you ignore this part?
Are you deliberatly trying
to fool or mislead the reader?
Could you please clarify which verse you are
referring to that says believers and God are one?
Jesus said that he and the Father are one. [John
10:30 - I and the Father are one The Bible does say
that God will live in those who love and obey Him
and put his Spirit in them.
John 14:23 - Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me
will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and
we will come to them and make our home with them.
Ezekiel 36:26 - I will give you a new heart and put
a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your
heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God in the
Bible. The Bible does not speak of any other only
begotten Sons of God. Worship in the Bible does not
mean to simply bow down before someone. Worshipping
of the Lord comes from your spirit and it is giving
praise to the almighty creator.
John 4:24
24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship
in the Spirit and in truth.’
Jesus is the King of Jews/King of Israel in the,
also the Saviour - all in the New Testament.
Mark 15:32 (Lord Jesus is mocked when he is on the
cross)
32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down
now from the cross, that we may see and believe.’
Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him
2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now
and forever! Amen.
When we looked to the Old Testament, we can see that
the terms used to describe God matches this.
Isaiah 44:6
‘This is what the Lord says –
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Lord Jesus also says of himself that he is the first
and last in the New Testament.
Revealation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the
Last, the Beginning and the End.
There are many such examples which show that Jesus
and the Father are one.
Finally, dear brother, there is no need to call me a
liar. I know the Bible to be amazing and true. My
faith is not paganism or polytheism. My God is one -
he is my Father, my rock, my protector, the Spirit
who lives in me. Jesus is my Lord and I love him in
perfect truth. God loves all of you, we are the work
of his hands. Let there be no unpleasantness between
us.
God bless you all :)
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gotta correct
something here. @jesusbreadoflife: It was
not part of Jewish burial rites
to use spices and linen cloth, that was Egyptian
mummification
I included a reference in my original post -
http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html
Also, John 19:40
40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it,
with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in
accordance with Jewish burial customs.
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As'salamu Alaikum
dear brother Tariq and Everyone,
Thank you for reminding me about this dialogue. I
will insha'Allah resume posting answers to brother
Jesus.breadoflife tomorrow, insha'Allah (if Allah
Almighty is Willing).
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Jazak'Allah Khair
brother Osama, Insha'Allah
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Dear Brother Osama,
Apologies for the late reply.
Jesus is one in
the Father. Yes. But Jesus also said that
his followers are one in him, and he is one
in them, and they are one in the Father, and
all of the Believers are one in the Father
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/john10_30.htm)
[2
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.mp4)].
Why did you ignore this part?
Are you deliberatly
trying to fool or mislead the reader?
Could you please clarify which verse you are
referring to that says believers and God are
one? Jesus said that he and the Father are one.
[John 10:30 - I and the Father are one The
Bible does say that God will live in those who
love and obey Him and put his Spirit in them.
John 14:23 - Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves
me will obey my teaching. My Father will love
them, and we will come to them and make our home
with them.
Ezekiel 36:26 - I will give you a new heart and
put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you
your heart of stone and give you a heart of
flesh.
My dear brother Jesus.breadoflife, it is beyond
clear that you are a victim of the paganism and
blasphemy of trinity. One thing that I really
humbly want to ask you, and that is to actually read
the sources that I give you, because I believe
everything about the blasphemy of trinity had been
soundly refuted in the arguments and links that I
gave above.
Regarding all in GOD Almighty are One, and GOD
Almighty is One in all Believers, EXACTLY AS
JESUS AND GOD ARE ONE, here is the verse:
John 17
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=KJV)
......
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the
world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given
them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou
in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
and that the world may know that thou hast sent me,
and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
A Plea to All
Christians:
I ask you and ask every Christian in the Holy Name
of GOD Almighty to actually READ your entire New
Testament from Matthew to Revelation! Picking
verses off of pamphlets or "cheat-sheets" that are
handed to you by missionaries to quote verses left
and right from them, and make baseless arguments
will only doom you to Hell. Not saying that
Jesus.breadoflife is doing that here. But the
shallow and out-of-context arguments that
trinitarians continue to present are just too
pathetic, and also demonstrate their lack of
knowledge about their own Scriptures by the
wholesale. I wouldn't be exaggerating if I say that
it is a case of the blind leading the blind,
or (sorry to say that) the dumb leading the dumb!
As Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:
[002:018] Deaf, dumb,
and blind, they will not return (to
the path).
[002:171] The parable of those who reject Faith is
as if one were to shout Like a goat- herd, to things
that listen to nothing but calls and cries:
Deaf, dumb, and blind,
they are void of wisdom.
[017:097] It is he whom God guides, that is on true
Guidance; but he whom He leaves astray - for such
wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day
of Judgment We shall gather, them together, prone on
their faces, blind,
dumb, and deaf: their abode will be
Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall
increase from them the fierceness of the Fire.
GOD Almighty is ONE and ABSOLUTE ONE. Jesus Christ
is not even a bacteria when compared to GOD
Almighty! Jesus and all of the Prophets and EVERY
THING created in the Universe are less than a
microscopic bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty.
Jesus was no more than a
GOD-FEARING Servant:
Isaiah 11:1-3
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm)
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest
on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of
understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge
and of the fear of the
LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He
will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;"
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
to see the Spirit of GOD Almighty coming down upon
many of the Righeous Believers. But it is amazing
that the Bible says that the spirit of FEARING GOD
will rest upon Jesus, and yet we find pagans calling
him the Creator of the Universe!
A dangerous mix of ignorance and blasphemy and
inheritance of ancient 3-headed pagan religions that
your fathers had and worshiped all mixed and blended
together, which is what the polytheist
trinitarian paganism and blasphemy
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links)
is all about today.
Jesus is called the
only begotten Son of God in the Bible. The Bible
does not speak of any other only begotten Sons
of God. Worship in the Bible does not mean to
simply bow down before someone. Worshipping of
the Lord comes from your spirit and it is giving
praise to the almighty creator.
I already refuted this blasphemy in my rebuttal in
the previous post. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm.
Here are few examples:
Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son,
even my firstborn."
Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and
Ephraim is my firstborn."
And in Genesis, where it speaks about Religions and
people millions of years before Judaism,
every Believer was also called SON OF GOD!
Also Angels were called Sons of GOD Almighty, and
that they slept with the "daughters of men" and
caused for giants to be born on earth.
Again, Jesus
had to match Melchizedek:
Furthermore, like I mentioned, everything about
Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, had to be this way
(him being powerful, miraculous, born out of a
virgin, mighty), because he had to at least match up
to the Jews' Highest Priest Melchizedek who had no
beginning and no end, and no father and no mother,
and he was mighty and miraculous.
Furthermore, all of Jesus' miracles were performed
by other Prophets in the Old Testament. Please
visit my previous post for all of the references.
Also as I already elaborated on in my previous post,
"Son of GOD" means the Servant of GOD Almighty, and
a pious Believer who has the Likeness of GOD
Almighty:
Peace be upon you dear
brother Jesus.breadoflife,
You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian
blasphemeis. It's really not that difficult to
see from the New Testament how Jesus Christ,
peace be upon him, is only a creation of GOD
Almighty.
I do not wish to drag this too long, because I
have a lot of things to do. But all of your
points above had been soundly and thoroughly
refuted at:
www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.
Jesus and the Father are
One:
Jesus is one in the Father. Yes. But Jesus
also said that his followers are one in him, and
he is one in them, and they are one in the
Father, and all of the Believers are one in the
Father
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/john10_30.htm)
[2
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.mp4)].
Why did you ignore this part?
Are you deliberatly trying
to fool or mislead the reader?
"Son of GOD" Title:
As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten
son of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old
Testament to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF
GOD ALMIGHTY! And even the Bible itself defines
Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer
and Servant of GOD Almighty. Also,
Jesus Chist reduced his "Son of GOD" title to be
even BELOW the "God" (Elohim) title that is
given to every single Believer. The reader can
visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs from the NT.
As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well
that many others in the Old Testament were
"worshiped" and bowed down to. Worshiped in the
Bible means to bow to the chosen leader or
master and follow him. It doesn't to pray to
him or to worship him as GOD Almighty is
Worshiped! Again, are you
trying to fool or mislead the reader with
trinity-lies and blasphemies??
Definition of "The
Father":
Furthermore, did you know that "Father"
in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows
Everything? Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and
in Judaism are called "Father". This is where
Roman Catholics get the "Father" title for their
Priests from. This is also where Jesus Christ,
peace be upon him, was called
"Everlasting Father" [1
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)]
(Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being
the Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth)
in Isaiah 9:6
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)
[1
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)]
[2
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm)]
[3
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)]
[4
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/lord_of_sabbath_lie.htm)]
comes from. GOD Almighty being "The
Father" means that GOD Almighty is the
Supreme and All Knowing GOD Almighty of the
Universe. That's what Father means. And Son
means the Righteous Believer and Follower of GOD
Almighty [1
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)].
And again, Jesus Christ being called
"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean
that he is GOD Almighty, because throughout the
Bible, the Righteous Believers are all called
"God" (Elohim) and "Sons of God".
Visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs.
The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him,
was called MIGHTY God was
because he is the Messiah, and the King of the
Jews, and the coming Ruler of the entire Earth
who will crush the anti-Christ. He is the heir
of all earth, and ONLY THE EARTH
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)
according to the Old and New Testaments of the
Bible. So he is no mere God. He is a Mighty
God. But he is NOT the Creator of the
Universe. Besides, many Prophets and Angels
were also given Mighty Godly Names similar to
the one given to Christ. Visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
for ample proofs.
Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD
Almighty created us in His Image. The Bible
further defines being in the "Image of GOD"
means having the Attributes of GOD Almighty that
He, the Almighty, Has put in us, humans. Please
visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample details and proofs. This is another
reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called
"The Father". He is the Supreme GOD Almighty
who created man in His Image, by giving him some
of His Divine Attributes:
Genesis 1:26-27
26 Then God said, "Let
us make man in our image, in our likeness,
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and
the birds of the air, over the livestock, over
all the earth, and over all the creatures that
move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the
image of God he created him; male and female he
created them.
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes
will be opened, and you will
be like God, knowing good and evil.
(From the NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)"
"and to put on the new self,
created to be like God in true righteousness and
holiness. (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians
4:24)"
"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made
you like God to Pharaoh,
and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.
(From the NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)"
"On that day the LORD will shield those who live
in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them
will be like David, and the house of David
will be like God,
like the Angel of the LORD going before them.
(From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample more details and proofs.
Jesus had to match
Melchizedek:
And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ
had to be this way (miraculous, has authority,
and is powerful), because he needed to match up
with Melchizedek? Melchizedek
had no father and no mother (Jesus at least had
a mother), and he was the Highest Jewish
Priest. And he was Eternal.
Jesus had to at least be equal to Melchizedek.
See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10,
Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2014:18,%20Psalm%20110:4,%20Hebrews%205:6-10,%20Hebrews%206:20,%20Hebrews%207:1-20&version=NIV):
Genesis 14:18
18 Then Melchizedek king of
Salem brought out bread and wine. He was
priest of God Most High,
Psalm 110:4
4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of
Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 5:6-10
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of
Melchizedek.”[a]
7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent
cries and tears to the one who could save him
from death, and he was heard because of his
reverent submission.
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from
what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source
of eternal salvation for all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest
in the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 6:20
20 where our forerunner, Jesus,
has entered on our behalf.
He has become a high priest
forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 7:1-20
Melchizedek the Priest
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and
priest of God Most High. He met Abraham
returning from the defeat of the kings and
blessed him,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything.
First, the name Melchizedek means “king of
righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem”
means “king of peace.”
3 Without father or
mother, without genealogy, without beginning of
days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,
he remains a priest forever.
4 Just think how great he was: Even the
patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the
plunder!
5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi
who become priests to collect a tenth from the
people—that is, from their fellow
Israelites—even though they also are descended
from Abraham.
6 This man, however, did not trace his descent
from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham
and blessed him who had the promises.
7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the
greater.
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by
people who die; but in the other case, by him
who is declared to be living.
9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the
tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi
was still in the body of his ancestor.
Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained
through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed
the law given to the people established that
priesthood—why was there still need for
another priest to come, one
in the order of Melchizedek, not in the
order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law
must be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to
a different tribe, and no one from that tribe
has ever served at the altar.
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from
Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said
nothing about priests.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if
another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 one who has become a priest not on the basis
of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the
basis of the power of an
indestructible life
(another proof Jesus Christ never died
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)!).
17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
18 The former regulation is set aside because it
was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a
better hope is introduced, by which we draw near
to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became
priests without any oath,
Again, to the reader, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm
A Brotherly Reminder:
I want to end this reply by reminding you also
with the following verses:
Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No
one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father."
Jesus told his followers that no one (including
Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come,
only GOD knows. Notice here how "The Father"
title was used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.
Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother
Jesus.breadoflife,
then JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED!
If he were GOD Almighty, he would've certainly
known when the Hour would come. Him denying
that he had any knowledge about the Hour, while
he supposedly knew it, makes him a liar.
Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?"
Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God
alone."
Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why
do you call me good? No one is good but
God alone.”?
Trinity is false and a blasphemy. Islam is the
Divine Truth. Indeed, all Praise and Glory are
due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble
Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle,
for us humans, out of all of His Divine
Miracles! And may Allah Almighty send His
Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and
Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model,
Muhammad. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Trinity is
another form of the pagan 3-headed god religions:
So again, your belief is paganistic that originated
from paganism. This whole 3-headed god thing is all
pagan, and comes from pagan origins. Hinduism and
Europes' pagan religions were all about 3-headed
god, and/or 3 gods. This is where your blapshemous
and false trinity comes from. It's another pagan
version of the 3-headed god pagan religions.
John 4:24
24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must
worship in the Spirit and in truth.’
Jesus is the King of Jews/King of Israel in the,
also the Saviour - all in the New Testament.
Mark 15:32 (Lord Jesus is mocked when he is on
the cross)
32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come
down now from the cross, that we may see and
believe.’ Those crucified with him also heaped
insults on him
2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory
both now and forever! Amen.
When we looked to the Old Testament, we can see
that the terms used to describe God matches
this.
Isaiah 44:6
‘This is what the Lord says –
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord
Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Lord Jesus also says of himself that he is the
first and last in the New Testament.
Revealation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the
Last, the Beginning and the End.
There are many such examples which show that
Jesus and the Father are one.
Finally, dear brother, there is no need to call
me a liar. I know the Bible to be amazing and
true. My faith is not paganism or polytheism. My
God is one - he is my Father, my rock, my
protector, the Spirit who lives in me. Jesus is
my Lord and I love him in perfect truth. God
loves all of you, we are the work of his hands.
Let there be no unpleasantness between us.
God bless you all :)
First of all, the Book of Revelation was a dream
written by a person named "John". He was neither
the desciple John nor John the Baptist.
Second of all, read Revelation 20, 21 and then 22.
You'll see clear distinctions between GOD Almighty,
Jesus Christ, and the Servant-Angel and the rest of
the Angels. Jesus had Angels assigned for him from
GOD Almighty. And Jesus here, in this dream, is the
beginning and the end here on earth! The battle
with satan, in other words, ends with HIM! He is
the Mighty Messiah that will create the Kingdom of
GOD Almighty here on earth. And as I already proved
in my previous post, Jesus' inheritence (him being
the heir of GOD Almighty) was ONLY FOR PLANET EARTH
AND NOTHING MORE. The Bible further says that all
of the Believers are also the heirs of GOD Almighty.
Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist.
Read my previous rebuttals. Start from this thread:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2677.html#msg2677.
May Allah Almighty continue to lead you to Islam.
Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Hi brother,
God bless you all. I would just like to quickly
reply to one of your points: that "God is one in all
believers". I am afraid you have misinterpreted
this passage completely.
John 17:21,22
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given
them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
This verse is saying that all the believers should
be as one. What does it mean for the believers to be
one?
Acts 4:32
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No
one claimed that any of their possessions was their
own, but they shared everything they had.
Lord Jesus said that he and the Father are one -
John 10:30
30 I and the Father are one.”
If you read John 17:21-22 carefully, it is saying
that the believers should all be one just as Jesus
and God are one. Clearly, this does not mean that
the believers are all literally one person but that
they are of one heart and mind. There verses later
that say that the believers should be one in God and
Jesus (that they also may be one in us). Unless the
spirit of God is in them and is helping them, it is
impossible for people to always be completely of one
heart and mind. I.e. unless they are walking in
God's path, they cannot be one. Therefore, when we
look at the passages, we can see that Jesus and the
Father are one and the believers should all be one.
I hope you can see the difference - the Bible does
not say that believers and God are one but it says
that Jesus and God are one.
I will reply to the rest of your post in the next
few days, if it is God's will.
Let us humble ourselves before Almighty God, His
steadfast love and mercy endure forever.
Praise the Lord
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As'salamu Alaikum my dear brother Tariq,
I don't know what we would've done without you,
akhi. Hehehehhe :). I got very used to your bumps
that after I make a post, I go to sleep for a while
to wait for you to wake me up :). Thank you for
help us to push ourselves. I appreciate it dear
brother.
Hi brother,
God bless you all. I would just like to quickly
reply to one of your points: that "God is one in
all believers". I am afraid you have
misinterpreted this passage completely.
John 17:21,22
21 That they all may
be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast
sent me.
22 And the glory which
thou gavest me
I have given them; that they may be one, even as
we are one:
This verse is saying that all the believers
should be as one. What does it mean for the
believers to be one?
Peace be upon you my dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
All I needed to do to thoroughly silence this
blasphemy that you wrote, and believe in, was simply
emphasise a couple of quotes from your writings. Do
you even see how ridiculous and stupid trinity is?
I mean, we're not talking about here some straight
forward and clear texts that your Bible has about
Jesus being MY CREATOR, and here me the blasphemous
Muslim rejecting them. No, we're talking about your
polytheist and pagan people inventing
insults and blasphemies on GOD Almighty.
Let us take a look at a few simple points here:
1-
The Believers are to be one in each others and in
Jesus and in GOD Almighty EXACTLY GOD Almighty and
Jesus are also one in mission and purpose. I have
no idea how you missed that my dear one.
2-
The Glory that GOD Almighty gave to Jesus?? Do you
even understand what you read, my brother? If Jesus
was your Creator, then how could GLory be
GIVENNNN to him? It would've been part of
him from eternity. The fact that it was given to
Jesus proves that Jesus was a mere creation of GOD
Almighty, my beloved brother.
An Amazing
Blasphemy!
And I have already proven in my thorough refutations
above, that this whole thing about Jesus' Kingdom,
Power and Might, and him being the Heir of GOD, and
the Authority that was given to him by GOD Almighty,
are all limited and contained to planet
earth ONLY, according to the Bible itself,
and that Jesus had to have all of this might, power,
miracles and authority because HE HAD TO BE A MATCH
to the Jews' heighest priest, Melchizedek,
who had no begining and end, nor had he father or
mother.
I find it quite interesting here that Melchizedek
being Eternal, and not having a begining nor an end,
nor was he born from any father or mother, nor did
he have any father or mother is not literal to you
from the Bible, but Jesus and the Father are One in
purpose and mission has to mean that Jesus is our
Creator. I truly find that to be
quite an amazing trinitarian
blasphemy and absurdity.
To the reader, please see my refutations above for
ample Biblical verses on Melchizedek and many other
points.
And I have already proven in my thorough refutations
above, that "THE FATHER" in the
Bible means the Al-Knowing GOD Almighty, according
to how the Bible defined it.
And I have already proven in my thorough refutations
above, that "The Son" means
Righeous and Blessed Servant and Creation of GOD
Almighty, also according to how the Bible defined
it.
Acts 4:32
32 All the believers were one in heart
and mind. No one claimed that any of
their possessions was their own, but they shared
everything they had.
Lord Jesus said that he and the Father are one -
John 10:30
30 I and the Father are one.”
If you read John 17:21-22 carefully, it is
saying that the believers should all be one just
as Jesus and God are one.
This further proves my point and refutes yours, my
dear brother.
Clearly, this does not
mean that the believers are all literally one
person but that they are of one heart and mind.
So why do you then want to force the same statement
on Jesus and GOD Almighty to be literal, and to mean
that Jesus is your Creator? Why can't you humble
yourself (arrogant, bold and daring towards GOD, and
humble towards humans is what Christians are) before
GOD Almighty and not force nonsensical reading and
blasphemies into the simple text?
There verses later
that say that the believers should be one in God
and Jesus (that they also may be one in us).
Unless the spirit of God is in them and is
helping them, it is impossible for people to
always be completely of one heart and mind. I.e.
unless they are walking in God's path, they
cannot be one. Therefore, when we look at the
passages, we can see that Jesus and the Father
are one and the believers should all be one. I
hope you can see the difference - the Bible does
not say that believers and God are one but it
says that Jesus and God are one.
I will reply to the rest of your post in the
next few days, if it is God's will.
Let us humble ourselves before Almighty God, His
steadfast love and mercy endure forever.
Praise the Lord
May Allah Almighty continue to lead you and lead the
reader more and more towards Islam, and may Allah
Almighty open your heart to Islam and have you
convert someday. Ameen.
Did you know
that it's not ELOH-IM? It's ALLAH!
My beloved, Allah Almighty had sent you here to test
you. There is a purpose and a reason why you and I
are having this discussion. I am very sorry if I
ever offended you. I just sincerely hope and pray
to Allah Almighty that you see that you're being
called by GOD Almighty to embrace Islam. Islam is
the Original Faith. And Islam came to the Arabs
(fresh and had no previous and corrupt scriptures)
to restore the original Faith
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm).
The original Believers from Adam and Noah and others
were always called Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"), according to your own
Scriptures
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)
in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek. Other ancient
Scriptures also outside the Bible have the same
claim. And Islam had started with Adam and ended
with Muhammad, peace be upon all of the Messengers
and Prophets of Allah Almighty.
And last and definitely not least, Did you know that
Elohim is Allah? The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic
plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh".
And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and
others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself
pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with
a double "l": Allah. Jews do call
Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call
GOD Almighty Allah. See the following links for
Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic
Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as
"Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty
is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew
dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.
Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD
Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the
existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed
language from Phoenician. See the following links:
www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/allah6.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew
Consider these points and take them to heart as you
type your next response.
Take care dear brother,
Osama Abdallah
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As'salamu Alaikum my
dear brother Tariq,
I don't know what we would've done without you,
akhi. Hehehehhe :). I got very used to your
bumps that after I make a post, I go to sleep
for a while to wait for you to wake me up :).
Thank you for help us to push ourselves. I
appreciate it dear brother.
:D No problem brother Osama, and thank you very
much, and you're welcome :)
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Praise the Lord,
John 17:21,22
21 That they all may
be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast
sent me.
22 And the glory which
thou gavest me
I have given them; that they may be one, even as
we are one:
This verse is saying that all the believers
should be as one. What does it mean for the
believers to be one?
Peace be upon you my dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
All I needed to do to thoroughly silence this
blasphemy that you wrote, and believe in, was simply
emphasise a couple of quotes from your writings. Do
you even see how ridiculous and stupid trinity is?
I mean, we're not talking about here some straight
forward and clear texts that your Bible has about
Jesus being MY CREATOR, and here me the blasphemous
Muslim rejecting them. No, we're talking about your
polytheist and pagan people inventing
insults and blasphemies on GOD Almighty.
Let us take a look at a few simple points here:
1-
The Believers are to be one in each others and in
Jesus and in GOD Almighty EXACTLY GOD Almighty and
Jesus are also one in mission and purpose. I have
no idea how you missed that my dear one.
[/quote]
At the risk of repeating myself,
1. The believers should all be as one - in their
hearts.
2. Jesus says they should be "one in us" - i.e. what
unites them to be one is Lord Jesus and the Father.
3. Jesus says that he and the
Father are one
4. The Bible does not say that God and the believers
are one.
Clearly, this does
not mean that the believers are all
literally one person but that they are of
one heart and mind.
So why do you then want to force the same
statement on Jesus and GOD Almighty to be
literal, and to mean that Jesus is your
Creator? Why can't you humble yourself
(arrogant, bold and daring towards GOD, and
humble towards humans is what Christians are)
before GOD Almighty and not force nonsensical
reading and blasphemies into the simple text?
Well, we do not believe that the Father and Son are
literally one - since the Father did not come into
this world but the Son did and he is the one that
died on the cross. For example, your sprit, soul and
body are separate yet you are one person.
There are many verses in the Bible which show that
Lord Jesus is more than an ordinary man. The Son of
God appeared to his people even in the Old Testament
and spoke to them.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of
hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
Isaiah 43:10
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no
saviour.
We can see that Jesus is also called the King of
Israel and the saviour (i.e. Redeemer) in the New
Testament.
1 Peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus
Christ, to them that have obtained like precious
faith with us through the righteousness of God and
our Saviour Jesus Christ:
John 1:49
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi,
thou art the Son of God; thou art
the King of Israel.
Brother, there is no need to apologise at all; I
love you as Lord Jesus has taught me and if I have
caused you any offence, it was not intentional.
1 Corinthians 13: 4-6
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy,
it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not
dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love
does not delight in evil but rejoices with the
truth.7 It always protects, always trusts, always
hopes, always perseveres.
I hope this is something we can all agree on :)
This will be my last reply on this particular post.
If God allows, I will start posting new topics
(covering other things highlighted in this post,
perhaps) in a few days.
God bless us all.
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Well, we do not
believe that the Father and Son are literally
one - since the Father did not come into this
world but the Son did and he is the one that
died on the cross. For example, your sprit, soul
and body are separate yet you are one person.
Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
I knew this answer was going to come up sometime in
our discussion. Here is the problem with your
analogy:
1- You do not own your body, nor
are YOU your body (hands, arms, feet, etc...). Your
body is no more than a vehicle that Allah Almighty
has created from dust to be 100% under your service.
2- There are things that you have
no control over, such as controlling your heart
beats, the functioning of your other organs such as
your lungs, kidneys, stomach, and so on. They work
beyond your control.
3- If Jesus was GOD and GOD was Jesus, then Jesus
can not be the helpless and weak and begging
Servant, who couldn't do anything without GOD
Almighty's Permission and Will.
Jesus hid and ran away after
he delcared to be Yahweh?!
Timing just couldn't be any more perfect. HEAR ME O
PEOPLE: I AM YAHWEH... OH NO!! SOME BODY HELP!!
RUN!!!!
If Jesus Christ was indeed Yahweh Almighty, the
Sovereign LORD and Creator of this entire Universe
and everything, then Jesus Christ would not have run
away from few men charging towards him with stones
by crawling on his four and hiding under a table and
sneaking out the door, while some men wanted to beat
him up while others were trying to break it up and
prevent them. At the very least, he could've
pointed his finger at them and froze them in their
places. But no, he ran away with fear from a bunch
of men:
John 8
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%208&version=NIV)
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered,
“before Abraham was born, I am!”
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him
(throw stones at him in other words; not STONE him
to death), but Jesus hid
himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Interestingly, you believe that Jesus in John 8
declared himself to be YAHWEH ALMIGHTY by saying "I
Am" (false translation as we will see shortly).
Yet, he hid and ran out after this very
declaration??? Trinity could not be anymore
blasphemous and preposterous, my dear brother.
Jesus Christ never said "I am". Here is the context
in full:
John 8
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%208&version=NIV)
1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts,
where all the people gathered around him, and he sat
down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought
in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand
before the group
4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was
caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.
Now what do you say?”
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order
to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent
down and started to write on the ground with his
finger.
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened
up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is
without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a
time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was
left, with the woman still standing there.
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman,
where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.
“Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said,
“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me
will never walk in darkness, but will have the light
of life.”
13 The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are,
appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not
valid.”
14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own
behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I
came from and where I am going. But you have no idea
where I come from or where I am going.
15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on
no one.
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because
I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent
me.
17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony
of two witnesses is true.
18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other
witness is the Father, who sent me.”
19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”
“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus
replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father
also.”
20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple
courts near the place where the offerings were put.
Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet
come.
Dispute Over Who Jesus Is
21 Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away,
and you will look for me, and you will die in your
sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”
22 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself?
Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot
come’?”
23 But he continued, “You are from below; I am
from above. You are of this world; I am not of this
world.
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if
you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die
in your sins.”
25 “Who are you?” they asked.
“Just what I have been telling you from the
beginning,” Jesus replied.
26 “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he
who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard
from him I tell the world.”
27 They did not understand that he was telling them
about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the
Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that
I do nothing on my own but speak just what the
Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left
me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”
30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him.
Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said,
“If you hold to my teaching, you are really my
disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will
set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s
descendants and have never been slaves of anyone.
How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone
who sins is a slave to sin.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family,
but a son belongs to it forever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free
indeed.
37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet
you are looking for a way to kill me, because you
have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the
Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have
heard from your father.[b ]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus,
“then you would[c] do what Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a
man who has told you the truth that I heard from
God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are
doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they
protested. “The only Father we have is God
himself.”
42 Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love me, for I
have come here from God.
I have not come on my own (again, not
on MY OWN); God sent me.
43 Why is my language
not clear to you? (O brother
Jesus.breadoflife, why is Jesus Christ's language
NOT clear to you my beloved??!!) Because you are
unable to hear what I say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you
want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a
murderer from the beginning, not holding to the
truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies,
he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe
me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am
telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God
says (THIS IS HOW GOD AND JESUS ARE ONE!
JESUS BELONGS TO GOD LIKE VERY OTHER BELIEVER AND
CREATION). The reason you do not hear is that you do
not belong to God.”
Jesus’ Claims About Himself
48 The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in
saying that you are a Samaritan and
demon-possessed?”
49 “I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus,
“but I honor my Father and you dishonor me.
50 I am not seeking glory for myself;
but there is one who
seeks it, and he is the judge.
51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will
never see death.”
52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you
are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the
prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word
will never taste death.
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died,
and so did the prophets. Who do you think you
are?”
54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory
means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as
your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said
I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I
do know him and obey his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of
seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said
to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” (notice how
the English translators put "!" instead of "?")
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before
Abraham was born, I am I WAS (or I have
seen Abraham, or I existed before Abraham)!”
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but
Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple
grounds.
Jesus directly answered the
question!
Again, the question was: 57 “You are not yet
fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you
have seen Abraham?”
Jesus directly answered the question. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm
to see three online Greek dictionaries that clearly
prove that the Greek word used here also means I WAS
and/or I HAVE. And the context is crystal clear
about this. The Jews said to Christ that you are
not even fifty years old and you claim that you have
seen Abraham who have existed thousands of years
before you?? Jesus replied to this by saying that
yes, HE EXISTED EVEN
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
There are many verses
in the Bible which show that Lord Jesus is more
than an ordinary man. The Son of God appeared
to his people even in the Old Testament and
spoke to them.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord
of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
Isaiah 43:10
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there
is no saviour.
We can see that Jesus is also called the King of
Israel and the saviour (i.e. Redeemer) in the
New Testament.
1 Peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus
Christ, to them that have obtained like precious
faith with us through the righteousness of God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
John 1:49
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi,
thou art the Son of God; thou
art the King of Israel.
Isaiah 44:6 OUT OF CONTEXT:
When you read Isaiah 44 in full, you'll see that GOD
Almighty is speaking with Jacob, whom also GOD
Almighty called him Israel. Isaiah 44:6 is not
talking about GOD Almighty and Jesus. It's talking
about GOD Almighty AND ONLY GOD Almighty being:
1- King of Israel.
2- The redeemer of Israel (Jacob).
Let us look at the entire context in full:
Isaiah 44
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2044&version=NIV)
Israel the Chosen
1 “But now listen, Jacob, my servant,
Israel, whom I have chosen.
2 This is what the Lord says— he who made you, who
formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do
not be afraid, Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I
have chosen.
3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and
streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit
on your offspring, and my blessing on your
descendants.
4 They will spring up like grass in a meadow, like
poplar trees by flowing streams.
5 Some will say, ‘I belong to the Lord’; others
will call themselves by the name of Jacob; still
others will write on their hand, ‘The
Lord’s,’ and will take the name Israel.
The Lord, Not Idols
6 “This is what the
Lord says—
Israel’s King
and Redeemer,
the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
So it is very clear that GOD Almighty here is
referring to Himself as the King of Israel and its
Redeemer. The verse is not talking about two gods.
It's talking about ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.
As to Christ being the beginning and end and the
savior, I already elaborated on this in great
details from the New Testament, in the above posts,
by demonstrating that this is referring to Christ
ending all evil here on earth when he crushes the
anti-Christ. And everything about Christ from being
Miraculous and Powerful and Mighty and the King of
the Jews had to be given to him because he had to be
like the Jews' Highest Priest, melchizedek, who had
no beginning nor end, and no father and no mother,
and nor was he born from any mother or father,
AND HE WAS ETERNAL,
according to the Bible's Old and New Testaments.
Furthermore, Jesus power and miracles and authority
were all 100% given to him by GOD Almighty, his
Creator. There is no dispute about this from the
Bible. So him being Miraculous doesn't prove
anything.
Furthermore, I already also demonstrated from the
Bible's Old and New Testaments that "THE
FATHER" means the Highest Priest when used
for humans, and the GOD Almighty the Al-Knowing when
used for GOD Almighty.
Furthermore, I also already demonstrated above from
the Bible also that "SON OF GOD"
means Righteous Servant of GOD Almighty who is loved
by GOD Almighty.
Brother, there is no
need to apologise at all; I love you as Lord
Jesus has taught me and if I have caused you any
offence, it was not intentional.
1 Corinthians 13: 4-6
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not
envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It
does not dishonour others, it is not
self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps
no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in
evil but rejoices with the truth.7 It always
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always
perseveres.
I hope this is something we can all agree on :)
This will be my last reply on this particular
post. If God allows, I will start posting new
topics (covering other things highlighted in
this post, perhaps) in a few days.
God bless us all.
May Allah Almighty bless you for these wonderful
verse, dear brother Jesus.breadoflife. Allah
Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:
[005:082] Strongest among men in enmity to the
believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and
nearest among them in love to the believers wilt
thou find those who say,
"We are Christians": because amongst these
are men devoted to learning and men who have
renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
May Allah Almighty bless you dear brother. Ameen.
You're more than welcomed to continue to respond to
this thread. But if you wish to discontinue, then
as you wish, dear brother.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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This is a continuation to my detailed
must-read rebuttal above....
Does the Bible say that
Yahweh created Jesus?
Yes it does. GOD Almighty created the flesh and
blood Jesus, and GOD Almighty MADE Jesus from the
Word. I have also covered this topic in one of my
debates in great details:
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Is
Jesus the GOD-Man? |
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Dr. Edward
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Osama Abdallah |
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Jesus Christ belongs to the World of Command. He is
a BEING. We belong to the world of Creations. We
are CREATURES. Our SPIRITS belong to the World of
Command. And so does also the Word, the Holy
Spirit, Melchizedek
(the Jews' Highest Priest who had no father and no
mother, and no beginning and no end, whom
Christ had to be created "in his order
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3309.html?PHPSESSID=6ba0e4dca30b187fd44033f4ceda1659#msg3309)",
and had to be Miraculous like Melchizedek in order
to be a match to him, and be made "in the
order of Melchizedek". See Genesis 14:18, Psalm
110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews
7:1-20), and perhaps many of the Angels and many of
the invisible Beings
out there. Yet, everything is under the Power and
Command and Control of Allah Almighyty:
"In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is
Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the
least power against God,
if His will were to destroy Christ the son
of Mary, his mother, and all every -
one that is on the earth? For to God belongeth the
dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that
is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God
hath power over all things." (The Noble Quran,
5:17)"
Jesus was declared to be the "first and the last"
and the "beginning and the end". So what is Jesus'
first or beginning? It's when he WAS or WAS MADE
according to John 1:1
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201&version=KJV).
Jesus came from the "REALM OF COMMAND" according to
the Glorious Quran. The Bible also agrees with
this:
John 1
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201&version=KJV)
1 In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God with
authority.
Why did I cross "God" and replace it with
"with authority"? The
following gives the clear answer:
One might ask:
Why was "God" crossed out and replaced with
"with authority"?
Answer: Because the same word (THEOS or the
compound one HOTHEOS) was also used for satan to
describe him the "God of this world" in 2
Corinthians 4:4:
"The GOD of this age
has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that
they cannot see the light of the gospel of the
glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (From
the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"
SATAN WAS CALLED GOD in
2 Corinthians 4:4. Yet,
satan, like the idols, fails the challenge of
GOD Almighty to prove that they are GOD:
Isaiah 41
21 Come then, says the Lord, your pleadings! Let
the King of Jacob hear your contentions;
22 let them come forward, these other gods, and
tell us the future.
So read the past for us, that the study of it
may disclose what needs must follow; coming
events make known.
23 Foretell you what
is yet to be, we shall know you
are gods indeed.
Then, if you have the power, grant good or ill
fortune to mankind; confer we,
and pass judgment on it!
24 Why, you are all empty air, a nothing that
nothing can effect; he courts his own shame,
that makes choice of you.
Satan can not do any of these. So THEOS ("God",
the same Greek word used for
The Word in John 1:1)
means having rule and authority,
and not being actually GOD Almighty Himself.
The cursed satan obviously was no one's
Creator. So the use of the word "GOD" for him
is a mistranslation, because GOD here means one
with authority or rule, and not actually Allah
Almighty Himself. The same thing about Jesus
Christ, who was created from the Word of Allah
Almighty. Jesus was given a limited authority
by Allah Almighty here on earth ONLY
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm):
John 5
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is
coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the
voice of the Son of God: and they that hear
shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so
hath he given to the Son to have life in
himself;
27 And hath given
him authority to execute
judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
John 17:21-22
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father,
art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be
one in us: that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me.
22 And the glory
which thou gavest me I have
given them; that they may be one, even as we are
one:
Matthew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All
authority in heaven and on earth
has been given to me.
The Bible declares that Jesus is the one who
will inherit EARTH after he crushes satan. This
is where he is called the HEIR OF GOD. The
Bible limits Jesus inheritence to earth only,
and also limits Jesus' power and authority to
earth only as well. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
This is also where Jesus was called called:
1- Mighty God.
2- Wonderful Counsler.
3- Everlasting Father (Rabbi).
4- Prince of Peace.
This is all discussed in great details at:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.
All Jewish Rabbis were called "Father". This is
also where Roman Catholics get the "Father"
title from. And Jesus being "Everlasting
Father" means he is the highest Jewish Rabbi and
Messiah, because he is the Messiah and the King
of the Jews. See the previous posts above for a
lot more details.
Also, Son of GOD in the Bible means a Righteous
Chosen Servant of GOD Almighty. Also, GOD
Almighty called "THE FATHER"
means He is the Al-Knowing and Al-Mighty GOD
Almighty. Also, all believers are called GOD in
the Bibles:
Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are
all sons of the Most High.' "
For ample more proofs, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm.
And again, please visit the link that I gave
above for ample more Biblical verses and proofs
and discussions:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.
Also visit this important discussion about
Jesus' Will, and how GOD Almighty makes him live
("I
live because of GOD"):
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1617.msg6417.html#msg6417
Also, the following are
my
thorough answers
to many of the Questions that were asked
regarding trintiy on this board:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1635.msg6491.html#msg6491
Also on the main website
(https://www.answering-christianity.com), you can
visit the Answering Trinity
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links)
main section, which has tons of articles and
refutations to the falsehood of trinity.
Also visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm.
2 The same was in the
beginning with God (YAHWEH ALMIGHTY).
3 All things were made by him (that's YAHWEH
ALMIGHTY); and without him was not any
thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of
men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was
John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of
the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear
witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man
that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by
him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him
not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he
power to become the sons of God, even to them that
believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of
the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This
was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is
preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and
grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and
truth came by Jesus Christ.
The World of
GOD's Command:
In Islam there are:
1- GOD Almighty, the Supreme and
Soverign LORD and Creator of Everything.
2- Then under GOD Almighty, there
is what is known in Islam as
عالم
الأمر or the World of
Command. This is where the Word of GOD Almighty,
the Spirit (includes the Holy Spirit), and perhaps
many of the special Angels were all WERE MADE IN.
Allah Almighty Made a reference regarding this World
in many Noble Verses such as the following:
2:117
بديع
السماوات والارض واذا قضى امرا فانما
يقول له كن فيكون
[002:117] To Him is due the primal origin of the
heavens and the earth: When He
decreeth a matter, He saith to it:
"Be," and it is.
3:47
قالت
رب انى يكون لي ولد ولم يمسسني بشر قال كذلك الله يخلق
مايشاء اذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له
كن فيكون
[003:047] She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a
son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so:
God createth what He willeth: When He hath
decreed a plan, He but
saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
3:59
ان
مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ادم خلقه من تراب ثم قال له
كن فيكون
[003:059] The similitude of Jesus before God is as
that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to
him: "Be". And he was.
6:73
وهو
الذي خلق السماوات والارض بالحق ويوم يقول كن
فيكون قوله الحق وله الملك يوم ينفخ في الصور
عالم الغيب والشهادة وهو الحكيم الخبير
[006:073] It is He who created the heavens and the
earth in true (proportions): the
day He saith, "Be," behold! it is. His word
is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the
trumpet will be blown. He knoweth the unseen as well
as that which is open. For He is the Wise, well
acquainted (with all things).
16:40
انما
قولنا لشئ اذا اردناه ان نقول له كن فيكون
[016:040] For to anything which
We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it
is.
19:35
ماكان
لله ان يتخذ من ولد سبحانه اذا قضى امرا
فانما يقول له كن فيكون
[019:035] It is not befitting to (the majesty of)
God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him!
when He determines a matter,
He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
"They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of
inspiration). Say: 'The
Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord:
of knowledge it is only a little that is
communicated to you, (O men!)' (The Noble Quran,
17:85)"
[097:004] Therein come down the angels and the
Spirit by God's Command,
on every errand:
This World we call in Islam "Aalam Al-Amr" (عالم
الأمر) or the World
of the Command of GOD Almighty, where everything in
it was Created by a Simple Command from GOD Almighty
of BE and THEY WERE.
The Bible too speaks about Spirits, and
interestingly, the Spirit of FEARING GOD will rest
upon Jesus, the Servant of GOD Almighty:
Isaiah 11:1-3
"1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the
LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the
Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the
fear of the LORD (Jesus
fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He
will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;"
For ample more details and proofs, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm
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And there is Alam Al-Khalq (عالم
الخلق) or the
World of Creation. This is where the water
and dust, and the flesh and blood creations are.
And this is also where the SELF (nafs) and the
SPIRIT (rouh), two seperate beings, enter into our
fleshes to make us Humans. This is also where we
carry the Attributes of GOD Almighty in Islam, or as
the Bible puts it, this is where we have become the
Image of GOD Almighty, or were created in the Image
of GOD Almighty.
I talked about SELF
(nafs) and SPIRIT (rouh) in great
details in the past on this blog. For ample more
details, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,650.msg1523.html#msg1523
https://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
And what is
Jesus' End or Last?
According to the Bible, Jesus Christ must inherit
the earth from GOD Almighty by crushing all evil on
it, forever. Jesus is the HEIR OF GOD ALMIGHTY only
on earth and nothing more. The Bible makes this
abdundantly clear. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
The Bible also calls all believers as the HEIRS OF
GOD ALMIGHTY. So Jesus' Last or End is when the
Lord Jesus Christ defeats the army of the
anti-Christ, and establishes the Kingdom of GOD
Almighty here on Earth while the earth and the
Universe lasts, and before DEATH comes upon all
creations:
[003:185] Every soul
shall have a taste of death: And
only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your
full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the
Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained
the object (of Life): For the life of this world is
but goods and chattels of deception.
According to Islam, everything that was ever created
and made by Allah Almighty will and must taste
death. They must go through death. Only
Allah Almighty doesn't die and never dies, and will
never die.
I ask Allah Almighty that this helps to clarify the
blasphemous trinity confusions.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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If you go to Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jesus_Christ)
you will find they cite 5 (non-Christian)
references which supposedly prove that 'Isa was
crucified. Someone should refute the claim.
I am gonna get vulgar on this , but hope somebody is
able to explain the same logic in a better way .
If there were two persons A and B who faught in an
infiniti amount of time ago .
and there were 140,000 people watching them .
Person A does a special move in which he
head-attacked the person B in his stomach and
simultaneously hit the testis with his hand or
something .
The People at that time dint know getting hit in the
testis hard enough can cause death ( recent
discovery )
Person B dies .
The 140,000 people saw that the Person died because
"Person A had hit him in the Stomach" and the same
message gets passed for a million years
For, if we ask or do research on "how person B died"
, The BEST and AUTHENTIC source of information would
be person B itself .
Coming to Jesus and his crucifixion .
We should apply the same logic . The Person who
knows best about the situation which happened to him
would be the person HIMSELF .
But In the Case of Jesus , Christians claim him as
"God" , A million witnesses would still be particle
of sand against the words of Jesus for them.
SO TO EVERYONE , TO PROVE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS
CHRIST YOU NEED TO FIRST ESTABLISH THAT THE WORDS OF
JESUS ARE GREATER THAN ALL OTHER PEOPLE . The Number
witnesses doesn't matter unless he is an atheist .
And if you ask any Christian , "Do you believe in
Jesus or people more ?" , and he will 100% say
"jesus" or he is not a True Christian .
So yah , it doesn't matter the number witness or
people when it comes to words of Jesus to a
Christian .
A Lot of people saw the "plane" hitting the
Pentagon, But infact it was cruise missle which hit
it and THERE IS AMPLE PROO for that too(on this
website),
So next time any Christian tells you about
witnesses, Ask them "who do you believe more in,
Jesus or People?"
"Sometimes the Truth is not what you saw"
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Dear Brother ,
I do not mean to offend you but I am telling this
out of love and care,
you are indeed a very knowledge person ,
But I feel that you are not a good "debater"
compared to those apologists when it comes to oral
debating,
whenever I come to this website I find so powerfull
arguments but they are absent in your debates :( .
Inshallah I hope you will improve on this.
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Hello my people,
peace be unto you .
Sometimes If I see some of you people posts , I will
just be laughing and won't want to stop.
This scriptures is very very clear and straight, I
don't know why you people are twisting it and want
to turn your brain to another thing. All is Well
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) , and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He
(Jesus) was with God in the beginning. 3 Through
him(Jesus) all things were made; without him
nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was
life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
5 The light(Jesus) shines in the darkness, and the
darkness has not overcome it.
Here let us understand that , Jesus was with God
before anything on earth were created, and the
word(Jesus) was God Himself, truly all things were
made through word except human,(which means , all
things were made trough Jesus the word). Jesus was
with God before the creation of anything on earth.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was
John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning
that light, so that through him all might believe.
8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a
witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone (I.e
Jesus)was coming into the world. 10 He was in the
world, and though the world was made through him,
the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that
which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who
believed in his name, he gave the right to become
children of God 13 children born not of natural
descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will,
but born of God...
God sent fort John to testify concerning Jesus
Christ
v14 The Word (Jesus) became flesh and made his
dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory
of the one and only Son, who came from the Father,
full of grace and truth.
If He didn't became like us to dwell with us like
flesh, how can we belief in Him? Imagine He was a
spirit, people will even be afraid of Him.
Just because He wanted to save the world ,He came
down in Form of man, yet people like you didn't
believe in Him. Yoruba adage says" who so ever want
to catch monkey will act like a monkey" which means
if Jesus want to show us the way to heaven he must
be like us as man.
v15 John testified concerning him. He cried out,
saying, "This is the one I spoke about when I said,
'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he
was before me.'"
John let us know that He(Jesus) was before him, does
that mean Jesus has come to earth. And went back
before? NO! He simply means , before he was created,
Jesus was in Heaven already.
v18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only
Son, who is himself God and is in closest
relationship with the Father, has made him known.
But brothers I will like you to ask for Holy spirit
to translate the word of God to you in the right
way, flesh cannot understand it because, this word
is spirit and life. # shalom
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As'salamu Alaikum
everyone,
One thing about our trinitarian friend, TheEyeofGod
(a blasphemous name against GOD by the way), is his
colorful way of posting nonsense and calling it "a
response". As everyone can clearly see above, he
hasn't refuted anything here. Not only that, but he
has forced the Bible to read Jesus as the Word, and
not a creation from the Word. I've thoroughly went
through this at:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3309.html#msg3309
There are so many points to mention here, which I
don't feel necessary to post. Just read the link
and see for yourselves. Here are a few points:
1- Jesus was made from the Word, and this Word
became flesh.
2- Jesus had the Spirit of fearing GOD in him.
3- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will
come, and that only GOD Almighty Alone knows.
4- Jesus said why do you call me Good? No one is
Good except GOD Almighty Alone.
5- Jesus had no will.
6- Jesus was Miraculous because he had to match
Melchizedek, who was the Jews highest Priest, who
had no father and no mother, and
no beginning and no end.
Did our trinitarian friend here refute any of
this?? Absolutely not! These are the few that I
could think of. Again, please visit the link for
detailed verses and proofs.
And for detailed proofs on Islam being the Original
Religion of the Bible, and GOD Almighty's
Original Faith to all of mankind
even according to the Bible itself,
visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule
And last and not least, to see the
Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious
Quran, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Well said
brother, no matter what you call me , I really
appreciate it. But I will beg you not be upset.
JESUS HAD THE SPIRIT OF FEARING GOD IN HIM -
JESUs SAID hE DOESNT KNOW WHEN THE HOUR WILL COME
If He didn't fear God , who else will He fear ?
Satan?
I said the other time that" He want us to use his
lifestyle as Example" if he didn't fear God, how did
He expect us to fear God also?
He said he didn't know the time, because if he had
told us the time, some people today will be doing
another thing, they won't worship nor fear God
again, until the day is near, people will say " let
me enjoy myself and I will repent later when the day
is about to come.
JESUS SAID "WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD
EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY ALONE"
Jesus has brought Himself down to our level ( that
was why He became flesh) , that's why He said that.
Can I ask you this question? Did you ever read that
Jesus committed any crime, did bad thing?
JESUS HAD NO WILL
Meaning of WILL:- A desire, purpose, or
determination. *Jesus DESIRED to come to the world .
Rev. 5
*He came PURPOSEFULLY to die for our sins, for our
salvation, and to give us eternal life.
* He DETERMINED to die for our sins, if He didn't ,
He wouldn't Have allow them to captured Him. Matt
26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and
he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve
legions of angels? He knew what He came to this
world for, and didn't use His power change His plan.
So how can you said He has no will?
Jesus was Miraculous because he had to match
Melchizedek, who was the Jews highest Priest,
who had no father and no mother, and no
beginning and no end.
It begins with a quick summary of the story in
Genesis 14: "This Melchizedek was king of Salem
and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham
returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed
him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of
everything" ( Heb. 7:1-2).
the unusual name is explained. The Hebrew
word melek means king, and tsedek means
righteousness, so his name is explained as
meaning "king of righteousness." And since
shalom means peace, he was also the "king of
peace" (v. 2). These titles are significant because
Melchizedek prefigures Jesus Christ.
Then we are told that Melchizedek was "without
father or mother, without genealogy, without
beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of
God he remains a priest forever" (v. 3).
Melchizedeks name was translated king of
righteousness (Hebrew 7:2).
Prophet Isaiah said about Christ, Behold, a King
will reign in righteousness (Isaiah 32:1).
Christ is the King of righteousness (Romans 3:24;
Hebrew 7:26).Melchizedek was called the
(Genesis 14:18), king of Salem meaning king of
peace. Christ is the king of peace, For unto us a
Child is born, unto us a Son is given and His
name will be Prince of peace. Of the increase of
His government and peace there will be no end
(Isaiah 9:6, 7). Peace started by His birth, that is
sung by the angels (Luke 2:14). He is also the
giver of peace, Peace I leave with you My peace I
give to you; not as the world gives do I give to
you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
be afraid (John 14:27; cf. John 16:33).
All the kings came from Judahs tribe and the
priests from Levis. However, Melchizedek was
both a king and a priest, For Melchizedek, king
of Salem, priest of the Most High God. (Hebrew
7:1). Christ is the only One who came as King and
Priest, He shall bear the glory,and He shall sit
and rule on His throne, so He shall be a Priest on
His throne (Zachariah 6:13). This is why the
wisemen offered Him gold and frankincense.
Concerning His priesthood, David the Prophet said,
The Lord has sworn and will not relent, You are a
Priest forever according to the order of
Melchizedek (Psalms 110:6). St. Paul indicates,
Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical
priesthood what further need was there that another
priest should rise according to
the order of Melchizedek, and not be called
according to the order of Aaron? (Hebrew 7:11).
By so much more, Jesus has become a surety of a
better covenant (Hebrew 7:21, 22). Melchizedek was
called to be made like the Son of God (Hebrew
7:3). Christ is the only begotten Son of God: We
have a great High Priest who has passed through the
heavens, Jesus the Son of God (Hebrew 4:14).
Melchizedek was without father, without mother,
without genealogy (Hebrew 7:3). Christ was without
father, concerning His priesthood, because He came
from Judahs tribe and not from Levis For it is
evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which
tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood
(Hebrew 7:14). On the
other hand, Christ, as a son of Man, was without
father; and as a Son of God is without mother
(because the Virgin Mary did not give birth to His
divinity).
Melchizedek was called to be having neither
beginning of days nor an end of life (Hebrew 7:3)
. Christ has no beginning of days or end of life
because He is the Alpha and the Omega, the
beginning and the end, eternal and everlasting
(Revelation 1:8). He ever lives to make
intercession for them (Hebrew 7:25).
About Melchizedeks priesthood, St. Paul said, he
remains a priest continually (Hebrew 7:3).
Christs priesthood never ends but remains
forever, But He, because He continues forever,
had an unchangeable priesthood (Hebrew 1:24).
Melchizedek offered bread and wine for Abraham
as a sign of love. It was the only offering in the
Old Testament, which was not bloody, but from
bread and wine (Gen 14:18). Christ offered to us
His body and blood as bread and wine as the
utmost love, which He gave for us upon the cross
for our salvation (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22;
Luke 22:19; John 6:51-54; 1 Corinthians 11:24).
JESUS WAS MADE FROM THE WORD, AND THIS WORD BECAME
FLESH.
Even we human being was not made by word , talk less
of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.
Although all the creation were made of word by God,
but God had to stress Himself and mould human. What
you don't know is that before anything were created
, Jesus was there with God.
So He came in form of man
I. To show us how He want us to live our lives, He
received training, be beaten and so on, despite all
his Glory he became flesh to show us the way.
ii. He can in form of flesh for us to believe in
Him, imagine He was a spirit, no one can ever
believe in Him. Despite all this (by coming in form
of man) yet,you people didn't believe in Him.
John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus
"in the beginning," or before creation and time
began. Logos means word, but specifically it
means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is
God's spoken word, according to John.
John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was
"with" God and "was" God. This statement yields
two important conclusions regarding Jesus and
the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the
beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow
distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with"
God and "was" God at the same time. This is the
mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the
Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct
from one another.
Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word
(Him) that created all things. From this statement,
we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by
John. Consider these facts we learn from John's
Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:
First, we know from scripture that God the Father
is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in
physical form. So, there is no physical substance
to God the Father. The Creation cannot
experience the Father as He truly is, since we are
bound to a physical dimension yet He is not
physical.
Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise
invisible (John 3:6-8). He can only be known by
observing His work in the Creation.
On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the
Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As
John said, all things were made by and through
Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17.
More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is
the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is
the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered
into and become a part of the physical creation.
Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He
is the One Who entered into the Creation and
become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).
Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who
is associated with Creation, both as its source and
as an ambassador of the Godhead to that
creation.
Next, consider how the Creation itself was
established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that
the world was created by the spoken word of God
(note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then
God said..."). So when God the Father determined
to created the universe and everything in it, He
"spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse
3, Jesus was the One who made all things,
therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos,
or spoken Word.
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If He didn't fear God
, who else will He fear ? Satan?
Man, do you trinitarian infidels hear yourselves, or
even understand what you vomit out of your mouths??
Do you not scream from the top of your lungs that
Jesus is OUR CREATOR? So now it's ok for him to
fear GOD? Amazing blasphemy and utter stupidity
indeed.
Even we human being
was not made by word , talk less of Jesus Christ
the only begotten Son of God.
Adam was created from the Word and so was Eve.
Melchizedek's creation according to the Bible is
even greater than Jesus', because Melchizedek had no
beginning and no end, and no father and no mother.
And the Bible says that Jesus was Miraculous because
he had to be a match to
Melchizedek.
Also, COUNTLESS BEINGS from the World of the Unseen,
or the World of Command
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm)
as it is called in Islam, are created from the Word
and the Spirit. Our Souls are created from the
Spirit. Jesus is a mighty Being, but he is not the
Creator of the Universe.
Again, visit my above detailed posts for ample
details. You have nothing but blasphemies. You're
gambling with your soul, my dear.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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If He didn't fear
God , who else will He fear ? Satan?
Man, do you trinitarian infidels hear
yourselves, or even understand what you vomit
out of your mouths?? Do you not scream from the
top of your lungs that Jesus is OUR CREATOR? So
now it's ok for him to fear GOD? Amazing
blasphemy and utter stupidity indeed.
Even we human
being was not made by word , talk less of
Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.
Adam was created from the Word and so was Eve.
Melchizedek's creation according to the Bible is
even greater than Jesus', because Melchizedek
had no beginning and no end, and no father and
no mother. And the Bible says that Jesus was
Miraculous because
he had to be a match to Melchizedek.
Also, COUNTLESS BEINGS from the World of the
Unseen, or the World of Command
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm)
as it is called in Islam, are created from the
Word and the Spirit. Our Souls are created from
the Spirit. Jesus is a mighty Being, but he is
not the Creator of the Universe.
Again, visit my above detailed posts for ample
details. You have nothing but blasphemies.
You're gambling with your soul, my dear.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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#laugh# so funny,I thought you created
this blog to enlighten ourselves what we don't know,
I don't think you created it purposely for
harassing and abusing people, but if so that's left
for you.I can't be discouraged by that, I shall
defend Christ throughout my days.
Like I
said , He afraid God because He want us to afraid
God, Jesus live as an example, He want us to do has
He did. Assuming He doesn't fear God,and say God
is His father He(God) can never do anything for Him,
if He offend Him(God). He was telling us that we
shouldn't fear God also. Or a child didn't afraid
of hid father? Philipians 2:5 " In
your relationships with one another, have the same
mindset as Christ Jesus". John 13:15" I have
set you an example that you should do as I have done
for you".
I John 2:6 "Whoever claims to live in him must
live as Jesus did." So Jesus live His life as
examples for we christians to follow.
Yes!
Jesus was a match to Melchizedek, but there
differences.
*Melchizedek and Jesus were both God's priest,
but Jesus is the Everlasting priest, Hebrew 7: 16
one who has become a priest not on the basis of a
regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of
the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is
declared: "You are a priest forever, (I.e
Jesus) in the order of Melchizedek." Heb
6v20. *Melchizedek is like
the Son of God ( Heb 7:3 Without father or
mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days
or end of life, resembling the Son of God
he remains a priest forever. But JESUS is
the Son of God. * Jesus died for the
atonement of our sins, while Melchizedek did not.
*Melchizedek is a king of righteousness, peace and
High priest, Heb 7:3. While JESUS was
qualified by Isaiah " For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given, and the government will be on
his shoulders. And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6. And
so on.
Remember God would have asked Jesus to come to the
world without any family like Melchizedek, but no
one will believe Him when He starts preach about
salvation , and He could haven't been an example for
us, we will after all He is a spirit that's why we
can't live the way He lives. That was why He chose
to come in for of Man. Thanks bro, take care.
Jesus Love you
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I thought you created
this blog to enlighten ourselves what we don't
know
:P There is
nothing in Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
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I thought you
created this blog to enlighten ourselves
what we don't know
:P There is nothing in
Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
.
What you don't understand about
Christianity are numerous
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@Christianity are
numerous............WHAT WAS THAT?
Joshua 8:24-26
When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing
all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back
and finished off everyone inside. So the entire
population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped
out that day12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding
out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was
completely destroyed. (NLT)
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his
people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God
delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and
his sons, and all his people. And we took all his
cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every
inhabited city, with the women and the little ones;
we left none remaining. (ASV)
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of
Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we
smote them until no survivor was left. We captured
all his cities at that time; there was not a city
which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all
the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.
All these were cities fortified with high walls,
gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns.
We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king
of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and
children of every city. (NASB)
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy
everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them;
put to death men and women, children and infants,
cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " He took
Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his
people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or
your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your
closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us
go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor
your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around
you, whether near or far, from one end of the land
to the other, or gods of other religions), do not
yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do
not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put
him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting
him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he
should go and worship other gods and bow down to
them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of
the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with
stones and such one must die."
This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah
Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles
15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of
Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or
great, man or woman."
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came
to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the
elders? They don't wash their hands before they
eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command
of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and
'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put
to death.'
Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom
there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of
prediction, they should be put to death without
fail. They should pelt them to death with stones.
Their own blood is upon them."
Exodus 31:14
14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you.
Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death;
whoever does any work on that day must be cut off
from his people.
Exodus 31:15
15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh
day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever
does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to
death.
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@Christianity are
numerous............WHAT WAS THAT?
Joshua 8:24-26
When the Israelite army finished chasing and
killing all the men of Ai in the open fields,
they went back and finished off everyone inside.
So the entire population of Ai, including men
and women, was wiped out that day12,000 in all.
For Joshua kept holding out his spear until
everyone who had lived in Ai was completely
destroyed. (NLT)
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his
people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our
God delivered him up before us; and we smote
him, and his sons, and all his people. And we
took all his cities at that time, and utterly
destroyed every inhabited city, with the women
and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of
Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and
we smote them until no survivor was left. We
captured all his cities at that time; there was
not a city which we did not take from them:
sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the
kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities
fortified with high walls, gates and bars,
besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly
destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of
Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and
children of every city. (NASB)
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally
destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not
spare them; put to death men and women, children
and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and
donkeys.' " He took Agag king of the
Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally
destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or
your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or
your closest friend secretly entices you,
saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods
that neither you nor your fathers have known,
gods of the peoples around you, whether near or
far, from one end of the land to the other, or
gods of other religions), do not yield to him or
listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare
him or shield him. You must certainly put him to
death. Your hand must be the first in putting
him to death, and then the hands of all the
people."
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he
should go and worship other gods and bow down to
them or to the sun or the moon or all the army
of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one
with stones and such one must die."
This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah
Almighty always be pleased with him: 2
Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the
LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to
death, whether small or great, man or woman."
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law
came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of
the elders? They don't wash their hands before
they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the
command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'
and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must
be put to death.'
Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in
whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or
spirit of prediction, they should be put to
death without fail. They should pelt them to
death with stones. Their own blood is upon
them."
Exodus 31:14
14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to
you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to
death; whoever does any work on that day must be
cut off from his people.
Exodus 31:15
15 For six days, work is to be done, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the
LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day
must be put to death.
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My brother , before you can quote any
verse from Bible, why don't you find out the reasons
why the verse was written? At least you should read
some chapters/verses before you could quote any
verse/chapter so that you could understand the
verses you quoted.
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^He was trying to
say that
:P There is nothing in
Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
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