The "God" title in Isaiah 9:6 was given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

Jesus reduced his title "Son of God" to be even below the average believer's "God" title.

"Son of God" in ancient times meant no more than a righteous Servant and Chosen one of GOD Almighty: [1] [2]. Christians have simply failed to properly define ancient idioms and terminologies.

1- In Isaiah 9:6 and the Old Testament.
2- The "Mighty God" translation.
3- Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?
4- Questions to you.
5- Is Jesus the biological Son of GOD?
6- The "God" title for Jesus and others in the New Testament. Answering verses such as Luke 8:39 and others.
- So can we trust the current English Translations then?
7- The Gospel of Luke is corrupted anyway according to the Bible's Theologians.
8- What about "The everlasting Father" title for Jesus? Does that prove he is GOD Almighty? Ezra and King Hezekiah were also called "Father" and "Everlasting Father".
9- Conclusion.

Christians claim that since the predicted Prophet's name (Jesus) will be called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6-7, then therefore, he must be GOD Almighty Himself.

Let us read the Verses: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God (EL Gibor), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with justice and righteousness from hence forth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. (Isaiah 9:6-7)"

It is quite unfortunate that in the old Jewish culture, people used to be named "Godly" names. This is quite misleading and deceiving to Christians when they try to define the deity of Jesus.

Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that any "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God".

Doubting Thomas said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Many people in the Jewish old culture were called "God" before Jesus' existence on earth:

1- Jerusalem was called "The LORD our Righteousness". "In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness (Yahweh tsidken�).' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 33:16)"

2- Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh). "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"

3- Ezekiel means "Strong God". It also means "Yahweh is Strong God".

4- Elijah. This name is short for EliJehovah or "Eli Yahweh". Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible. Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

5- Israel means "Challenge God", "he struggles with God", or "fight with God". It also means "Defeat God".

6- Gabriel also means "Strong God".

7- Isaiah or Jesaiah, which is short for "Jesa Yahweh" means "Salvation from Yahweh". It could also mean "Salvation".

8- Joshua, which is short for "Josh Yahweh" means "Yahweh Saves".

9- Elli, which is a common name for men before and after Jesus, means "God". Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

Note: The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL!

10- Immanuel, Emanuel, Emmanuel, Immanuel, or Imanuel are the SAME NAME and are another name for Jesus, means "With us is God". This name is also common for men before and after Jesus.

12- Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great". Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh". Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself? People before and after Jesus are given this name. See 2 Kings 25:22-24.

22- Michael (nick name "Mike") means "who is like God". Yet, non is like Him, the Almighty. See Exodus 8:10.

23- Jesus, Yahshua, Yeshua or Yashua are the SAME NAME, and mean "Salvation". It doesn't mean "God Saves" as Christians claim. Jesus (Yeshua) means in Hebrew "salvation" and not "God saves". Yud Shin Waw Ain - this name doesn't include the word "God".

Joshua (Yehoshya) - Yod Hey - Waw Shin Ain
Isaya (Yeshayah) - Yod Shin Ain - Yod Hey .

These two names are combination of Yod, Shin, Ain - salvation and Yod, Hey - Yahwe.

Yosh Hey (Yah) is common short from Yahwe, for example Alleluia comes from "Halelu Yah" - "Glorify Yahwe".

In the above examples, we clearly see that the old Jewish culture gave "Godly" titles to people who are not in anyway divine.

Notice that in Isaiah 9:6, it clearly says "and his NAME shall be...." This clearly proves that "Mighty God" is just a name given to the coming Prophet (Jesus). Since this is just a name, this also clearly proves other people in the old Jewish culture were named that name before, even if they're not mentioned in the current Bible.

Have Isaiah 9:6 said "and he will be God Almighty Himself" or "and he will be the God Almighty" then this would be different, because we now would be talking about not just a NAME given to someone, but rather GOD Almighty Himself.

Important Note: There is not a single Verse in the New Testament where Jesus was called directly or named directly "Mighty God" or "God". Notice in Isaiah 9:6 it clearly says "and his name shall be...." Jesus was called "Son of GOD" as many others in the Bible were called Sons of GOD as shown below in this article, but he never even once was addressed as "Mighty God" or "God", nor he ever claimed to be "Mighty God" or "God".

The Jews believe that Isaiah 9:6 was referring to somebody else, other than Jesus. The Book of Isaiah which obviously contains Isaiah 9:6 came 700 before the birth of Jesus. The Jews had absolutely no problem calling somebody who came 700 years before Jesus "El Gibor (Mighty God)". That person's name is Hezekiah. The Jews believe that Isaiah 9:6 is referring to Hezekiah and not Jesus, and they did indeed address Hezekiah as "Mighty God". This proves that many people before Jesus were named even at birth "El Gibor (Mighty God)", just like people were also named "Ezekiel (Strong God)", "Elli (God)", "Gabriel (Strong God)", etc...

2- The "Mighty God" translation:

"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor". This is not exactly "Mighty God", but close. "Strong" is more correct (but it is different from strong of "hazak"). Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this is short full spell is "El Hu Gibor".

Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing. They both mean "Strong God". "Gabriel" is an angel's name in the Bible.

The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor" of Gabriel have exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. The word itself can also be translated as "Man of God".

By the way, "EL" can also mean "Judge". So "El Gibor" can also be translated as "Strong Judge".

The "Mighty God" translation is just one possibility. This type of differences in translation exists throughout the Hebrew language, where words' meaning change depending on the sentence. That is why there is no one single solid Bible Translation!. Theologians have difficulties agreeing on some key issues in translations. That's why we see so many different Bibles with so many different translations.

But anyhow, even if "Mighty God" was the right translation, it is still just a NAME given to Jesus and nothing more. It doesn't in anyway prove that he is the creator of the Universe. Many people as shown above were given the misleading "Godly" titles before Jesus.

The Doubting Thomas:

Doubting Thomas said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).

Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).

Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

Question: In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this show that they are one in essence?

This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]" (John 8:29).
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence.

4- Questions to you:

From the names above, do you honestly think that "Strong God", "Yahweh is Strong God", "Yahweh Saves", "God", "Yahweh", "My God is He", "God is Salvation", "Jehovah is Great" and "Mighty God" have much differences in their meanings?

I mean, why consider Jesus as GOD Himself, which is a great blasphemy, when he was given a normal "Godly" title that was given to others before him?

If Jesus was named "Jehovah is Great (Gedaliah)" for instance, then we would see Trinitarian Christians trying their best to prove that he is GOD Almighty Himself. Why then not consider the people who were named "Gedaliah" before and after Jesus as GOD Almighty Himself also? Why not consider these people divine as well?

Important Note: So if Jesus was named "Michael or Mike (who is like God)", then we would see Trinitarian Christians claim that he is GOD Almighty, since Exodus 8:10 clearly states that there is non like GOD, and yet Jesus (Mike) is like GOD which would without a doubt make him GOD.

This is the type of false interpretations and conclusions that Trinitarian Christians fall into.

Very Important Note: The reason why the foretold person would be regarded as "Mighty God" is not because he will be GOD Almighty Himself. His name or title being "Mighty God" is nothing but a way to show that the person will be very important and very powerful. He will be like a God on earth because of his Might. I must emphasize that again, the person's "NAME" will be called "Mighty God". Isaiah 9:6 never said that the person will be GOD Almighty Himself, or GOD Almighty will be that person. The word "NAME" means that the name will be just a (misleading) Godly title as many misleading Godly titles were given to others before and after Jesus peace be upon him in the Bible. I must also emphasize that in the New Testament, Jesus was not even once called or addressed as "Mighty God" or "God", nor did he ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God". So if he were indeed the foretold person in Isaiah 9:6 (which I personally believe he were), then this means that Jesus peace be upon him is not GOD Almighty, but a powerful Messenger of GOD Almighty or someone who has Might that was chosen by GOD Almighty. The Jews as I mentioned above, believe that the person is Hezekiah and not Jesus. Either way, the person in Isaiah 9:6 is not GOD Almighty Himself.

Trinitarian Christians claim that since Jesus was called "Son of GOD", then this would make him the Creator of the Universe Himself. This is a great blasphemy, because this belief holds no concrete ground what so ever!. You do not call someone GOD Almighty Himself from a conclusion, especially when it easily can be refuted.

Many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible. Let us look at few of them:

1- Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was GOD's Son before Jesus since Israel is the "first born". Does this make Israel divine?

2- Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is another name for Israel.

3- Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Since GOD Almighty chose David to be His begotten Son, does this make David divine too?

4- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " Again, "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

The "Son of GOD" title that was given to Jesus wasn't the only title for him. Jesus was also called "Son of David." Keep in mind that Jesus came at least 1,000 years after King David. Jesus was also called "Son of Man". See Matthew 1:1, Matthew 9:27, Matthew 12:23, Matthew 15:22, Matthew 20:30-31, Matthew 22:42, and many other verses.

Is the Man whom Jesus was called his son (possibly David) divine? Is David divine since Jesus is his Son?

How come Christian Roman Catholics have created the Theological Science of Maryology, and never created the Theological Science of Davidology? I mean think about it, if Jesus the "Almighty GOD" was called "Son of David", then shouldn't this make David a divine person, since he is one from the many billions that GOD created in this world?

Why consider Jesus as the actual biological Son of GOD, when the same expression was used for King David being Jesus' Father who existed 1,000 years before Jesus?

Why can't "Son of GOD" that was used for Jesus be just an expression just like the "Godly" titles and "Son of GOD" expressions that were used for others before Jesus as well as shown above?

As clearly shown in the section "Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?" above and all of the articles I linked at the bottom of it, Jesus peace be upon him never claimed to be GOD or anything part of GOD. He never gave the "God" title to himself.

There are however verses in the New Testament that give Jesus the "God" title such as the following:

" 'Return home and tell how much God has done for you.' So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 8:39)"

But it is important to know that this "God" title in the New Testament was given to others beside Jesus as well. It is not the unique "The LORD" or "Jehovah" title that was given only to the Father, was given to Jesus. No where in the Bible was Jesus given such title.

Let us look an instance where the "God" title was given to others beside Jesus in the New Testament:

When I debate with Christians about this "God" expression given to Jesus compared to other Prophets and people, they claim that the word "God" with a capital "G" refers to God himself, and the word "god" with small "g" refers to humans. They also claim that they came to this type of translation from the Greek translation. Some lies and discrepancies had been inserted into the Bible through capitalizing the letter "G" when it is supposed to be a small "g" when referring to Jesus:

The following is from the work of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Let us look at John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." This is often presented from the Gospel of John to prove that Jesus was God. There are however several problems with this claim: By this verse it is assumed that Jesus was the "word" and since the word was God and became flesh, Jesus is God. The statement that John reproduced in his gospel however was uttered not by John but by A. Philo of Alexandria, years before Jesus or John were born. It is therefore completely unlikely that Philo was even remotely referring to Jesus.

There is also another reason for not capitalizing the "G" in John 1:1, considering the Greek of the above verse which disproves the assertion that Jesus is referred to as God in the verse. In the verse above, the first time the word God is used, the Greek is HOTHEOS (the same exact word given to Satan as God in 2 Corinthians 4:4. The NIV Bible Author wrote "god" for Satan instead of "God"), which means The God. The second time the word God is used,"....and the word was God," the word for God is TONTHEOS, which means "a god". Europeans have evolved a system of capital and small letters non-existent in Greek. The God, HOTHEOS is translated as God with a capital G, whereas Tontheos, which means A or ANY God is translated with a small g, god. In this case however, we see the unlawful translators trying to prove Jesus being God by putting capital G for both whereas it doesn't belong in the case of the "word".

Here is how 2 Corinthians 4:4 is read in the current English translation of the NIV Bible:

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"

It should've been written as "The God of this age....." since the same Greek word was used for Jesus in describing him for being a "God".

Let us look at Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

Absolutely not! Given that facts above about verse John 1:1, how can we expect from an ordinary English speaking Christian who wants to spread his religion with all his heart honestly and faithfully to understand this lie of capitalizing the small "g" in John 1:1 and other verses, and not capitalizing the "g" in 2 Corinthians 4:4 for Satan for instance? Must we allow our faith to be all based on what other authors decide to insert from their own personal views into the Bible?

7- The Gospel of Luke is corrupted anyway according to the Bible's Theologians:

Regarding the verse Luke 8:39 above, we can't really trust it's validity anyway, because the entire gospel of Luke is corrupt according to the Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible.

"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)"

Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:

"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, (Luke 1:3)"

1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?

2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?

I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!

Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.

Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Luke 1:3

Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,

If Theophilus existed in either the 2nd or the 4th centuries then how could the writer of this gospel be the same Luke who is supposed to be with Jesus in the 1st century.

8- What about "The everlasting Father" title for Jesus? Doesn't that prove he is GOD Almighty?

"Everlasting Father" is different than "Eternal Father". Jesus was never called "eternal" ever in his life. Plus also, King Hezekiah was also called "Everlasting Father" by the Jews. Also, Ezra was called "The Father of Judaism" in Yemen by the Yemenis Jews (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, page 1108).

So as we clearly see, it was normal to give Fatherly and GODly names and titles to people in the Old and New Testament days. Jesus being called "Everlasting Father" doesn't mean anything more than him being a great person and leader. He was the Jews' Messiah. But most certainly, the title does not make Jesus in any way the Creator of the Universe.

9- Conclusion:

Christians believe in Jesus as GOD Almighty, yet, he never claimed to be GOD. There is absolutely no concrete base for Trinity. Just because Jesus was called "Son of God" and "God", even though he never said he was "God", it doesn't make him GOD. David was called GOD's BEGOTTEN Son in Psalm 2:7, and Satan was called "God (same word used for Jesus in Greek)" in 2 Corinthians 4:4. Israel was called GOD's first born Son in Exodus 4:22. There are many other examples for GOD's Sons in the Bible.

All what Christians have are conclusions. Conclusions come from theories. Theories are always venerable for disproof. Have Jesus said "I am your LORD worship me" as GOD said in the Old Testament, then we would have a solid concrete ground. But as far as I am concerned, Trinity is very weak and bogus! with all respect due to Trinitarian Christians. Non of GOD's religions (including the New Testament) taught Trinity. The word "Trinity" doesn't even exist in the Bible!.

Trinity is a false interpretation that was caused by the unfortunate exaggerating and misleading "Godly" name that was given to Jesus and to others in the Old Jewish Culture. The only unique title that GOD Almighty had in the Bible that non was ever called (including Jesus) was "Yahweh" or "Jehovah".

Bring me one Bible Verse that directly referred to Jesus as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" and then I'll consider Trinity to be a valid belief in the Bible.

The word "Allah" does exist in the original Bible. Allah is the original name of GOD Almighty according to the Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic sources. Jehovah or Yahweh is a title and not a name, and it means "The LORD" in English.

Jesus reduced his title "Son of God" to be even below the average believer's "God" title.

"Son of God" in ancient times meant no more than a righteous Servant and Chosen one of GOD Almighty: [1] [2]. Christians have simply failed to properly define ancient idioms and terminologies.

Jesus is Yahweh the Son? See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

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Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Oxymoron Trinity: Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet he doesn't know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life. And this proves he is our Creator? And how is he exactly The Resurrection? Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless.

John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own." And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said.

Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles. Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

Doubting Thomas couldn't raise Jesus?? No way!!

Also, 1 John 2:22 church-written lie is discussed further down in details in this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.

Thomas raised many people from the dead (Matthew 10:7-8). Yet, he and the disciples could not raise Jesus back to life after the crucifixion? Not only that, but they all fled, and Thomas became the "doubting Thomas" because he did not believe that the man who returned was Jesus. But did you not raise people from the dead already, Thomas? What happened there? You could've raised Jesus himself back to life with your own hands! Yet, it was impossible for you to believe that it was Jesus who returned? Why?

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm

These alleged miracles are very loud! If you raise people from the dead, then the entire land of Palestine would've heard about it. Yet, nothing recorded historically about them. So do we have here loud miracles or loud lies?

Doubting Thomas also said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh. Jesus said he was greater than Moses. Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty. All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible. "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest. Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator. And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty. He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves. They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all. Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion. Other people in the OT were called King of kings also. So the title is not even unique to Jesus.

Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles. Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].

The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

This Prophecy is a lie! Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
left. He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried. Also, because 100s
of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the
Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down. The soldiers were
even denied food due to lack of time.
Jesus never got crucified: [1] [2] [3] [4]. The OT and NT clearly spell it out. He was saved.

King Melchizedek [1]:

The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek". And who is Melchizedek? According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).

Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

Also, Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD. See also:

Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

Oxymoron Trinity.

Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

Again, could "Jesus" and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

Sun Chips oxymoron: The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.

Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!

1 John 2:22-23 [1] church-written lie are discussed further down in details in this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.

For ample more details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam [1], and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3] [4]

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

Adam is greater than Jesus:

Jesus forbade people from calling him "son of David" and "son of Abraham". He said he is greater than them, and no one should call him son of any of these two servants of GOD Almighty. Yet, Jesus walked around and called himself son of Adam countless times:

Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.

Oxymoron Trinity [1]:

Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet does not know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life. And this proves he is our Creator? And how is he exactly The Resurrection? Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

In the OT, Elisha and many others also raised the dead:

2 Kings 4
32 Elisha arrived at the woman�s house and went straight to his room, where he saw the boy�s body on his bed.
33 He walked in, shut the door, and prayed to the Lord.
34 Then he got on the bed and stretched out over the dead body, with his mouth on the boy�s mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hand on his hands. As he lay there, the boy�s body became warm.
35 Elisha got up and walked back and forth in the room, then he went back and leaned over the boy�s body. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes.
36 Elisha called out to Gehazi, �Have the boy�s mother come here.� Gehazi did, and when she was at the door, Elisha said, �You can take your son.�
37 She came in and bowed down at Elisha�s feet. Then she picked up her son and left.

Is Elisha and others like him now our Creator?

John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own."

And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said. Visit also:

Bible's problematic hyperboles. Jesus has, for example, caused Christians to eat pork, and they're now even the world's biggest pork consumers. But a closer look at the text reveals that he never allowed it and could never even DARE to violate GOD Almighty by allowing it.

The last two chapters of the book of Isaiah make an End of Time Prophecy about the evil and immoral ones who will be pork (pig's meat) eaters.

The Bible has ample problems with its hyperbole and excessive confusing metaphoric language, to a point where we don't know what Jesus actually means, and it has made lawful things sinful and sinful things lawful. Interestingly, people in the NT called Jesus a fat drunk, because they observed him drinking too much wine (alcohol) and eating too much. He was a "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19) [1] [2]. This could've played a major role in the nonsensical language that he was uttering left and right. Only Allah Almighty Knows best.

Ample more examples are given in the link above.

Muslims honor the Virgin Birth:

We Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Isa Al-Maseeh, from our mother Mariam, peace be upon them both. We also believe Isa performed many Miracles. In fact, it was the Christians who doubted the virgin birth. Islam came to cement it. But Isa (eesa) was nonetheless a creation of GOD Almighty, and a slave of GOD. Even the Old Testament calls Jesus "Slave of GOD":

Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus! Christians doubted it. Christian scholars admit this.

Isa (Jesus), the Islamic Messiah and creation of Allah Almighty, is NOT our Creator:

Jesus, in the Bible, said he does not know when the Hour will come, only GOD alone Knows, Jesus said.

Jesus said if he bears witness of himself he would be a liar.

Jesus prostrated on his face and prayed and begged GOD all night long to save him from crucifixion.

Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.

Jesus was called slave of GOD in Old Testament.

If Jesus was GOD questions.

None of Jesus' Miracles were unique in the Bible.

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

The Fly's Digestive Miracle - Mentioned in the Holy Quran and Confirmed by Science!

Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no.

Sun Chips Blasphemies:

Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also the heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD. See also:

Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

Oxymoron Trinity.

Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

What is Islam?

What is Islam?

How and Why do I convert to Islam?

How do I convert a non-Muslim to Islam?

Other:

www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm (according to Jesus)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm (Matthew 24:25-27: Jesus will return as an Arab from Syria)

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

Note: The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son. Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran? Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?

Son of GOD definition:

We read in the Bible that Prophets are servants and Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46). Jesus is more than a Rasul (Prophet). Jesus was also called Abd (slave) of GOD throughout the Old Testament, as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD. Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). Jesus being King of kings means that he is the King of his Mansion's twelve thrones.

King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves. They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all. Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion. Other people in the OT were called King of kings also. So the title is not even unique to Jesus.

In the Bible, "the Son" refers to the Messiah, - the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews. Son in their time meant Servant of GOD. Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran: "....servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm

This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven. But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else. You can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

Oxymoron Trinity: Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet he doesn't know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life. And this proves he is our Creator? And how is he exactly The Resurrection? Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless.

John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own." And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said.

Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles. Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].

And other great figures in the Old Testament were also called:

1- GOD (El) of other people.
2- Son of GOD.
3- Begotten Son of GOD.
4- GOD's First Born.
5- GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers).
6- GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name.
7- King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT).
8- All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?" [1]

King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

"Servant" here is slave. Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2], the
same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general, throughout
the Bible [2]. Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT.

In Arabic also it's the same. My name Osama Abdallah, which means
Osama slave of Allah (GOD). Slave is a subject of GOD. A servant is
independent and has a free will. He/she can quit serving. But a
slave (ABD) is OWNED.

I elaborated on this point in details at:

www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm

The Servants are the Prophets of Israel. But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet. Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46). Jesus is only the Lord of the Jews' Mansion.

Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) of GOD:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

John 1:1:

John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran. Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ~~was God~~ was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [ [1] [2] [3])."

The Word encompasses Jesus:

From www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839:

From brother Shaad:

The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation.....

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the ;witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

Revelation 1:2

2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad. I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi. Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesuss, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.

Trinity is false. I have added your addition to:

www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

Osama Abdallah

Messiah definition::

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm

Also visit:

The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

Jesus' Original Name:

Prophet Jesus' original name was Eesa, as this is also his Islamic name. Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus. There is also a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached in Arabic. Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine. Islam's claims are very strongly supported. See proofs below.

Did early Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome?

Did the early believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth, Antioch, Rome and all other places? Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews' Messiah and final Prophet. In both the Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Ahmed was prophesied to come. Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name. Also, see below the Dead Sea Scroll image. The New Testament too predicts the coming of three:

1. Elijah.
2. The Messiah.
3. The Prophet.

John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44. Click on the images to expand:

John the Baptist calls Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).

So did the early believers preach the coming of Prophet Ahmed or Muhammad? The answer is quite possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for them and not phase 1. Jesus was the early believers' immediate Prophet, not Muhammad. And all of the details that they had were about Jesus, not Muhammad. It is also important to know that the following seven Roman Emperors have thoroughly burned all of the early believers' writings:

1. Nero (54-68)
2. Domitian (81-96)
3. Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
4. Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
5. Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
6. Trajanus Decius (249-251)
7. Valerian (253-260)

Read all the details with references here.

What we have today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were written 80 years to 300 years after Jesus' departure from this earth. So, the current writings that we have are not original writings. Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed trinity was invented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Many lies had been fabricated after the original writings were all lost. The Jews and Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad. These were some of the original texts that survived.

From Why Jews settled in Arabia section:

Video and text are in the linked section above.

Jesus also preached in Arabic:

See the clear proofs in the following:

Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves. Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.

Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details. Arabic is estimated to date back 8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.

Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.

Prophet Muhammad foretold , by the name, in the previous Scriptures. We still have texts today and from the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.

Important:

- What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?
- Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit, according to Islam.

In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title [1]. Islam came to restore the original Faith [1].

Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:



(Film in this article)

Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures. Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the Bible, and his prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed [1] [2].

Father and Son Definitions:

Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

1- What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible? How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below) How does the Bible really define it?

2- What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible?

3- Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament. See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian. Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek. He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says. See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

Who is Melchizedek?

According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2]. The Bible literally says that. Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran? And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator? And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ? See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.

4- Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus? Yes it does (*).

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ~~was God~~ was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."

Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.

In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

(a)- GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

(b)- The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

(c)- The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

1 John 2:22-23:

1 John 2:22-23 is another church-written lie. Again, ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers. Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Muslims firmly believe in the Messiah and his virgin birth miracle. Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus belief after it was fading away. Christians admit this. Also, the Glorious Quran claims that sons of GOD title was used for servants raised to honor: Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

"Messiah" is the sonship:

Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD. See also:

1- Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

2- Oxymoron Trinity.

3- Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

Sun Chips blasphemies:

The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.

Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

5- What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.

Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":

.......

In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:

1- GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I. So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.

2- In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.   AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah)).

Go to www.google.com إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته

The Hadith in Arabic translates as:

"; أهلين from mankind. They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?" He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته.";

This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious (The Noble Quran, 21:26))". Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven. But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else. You can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant. /span> But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:

www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm

So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly. But even in that ca/span>se, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.

Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON":

Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.

In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian". المولى is derived from the root word ولي .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.

FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا). We further read the following in the Bible:

Isaiah 41:8/font> "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

[002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.

Also, BEGET = CHOSE.

King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.

So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

- Guardian
- Friend
- Protector
- And the One who Chose us.

And we definitely believe that Isa (Jesus) is the Messiah.

One last important point: Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD". We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3). But never from GOD!

GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.

Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.

So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22? No it isn't. Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

(a)- Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78. In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian". المولى is derived from the root word ولي .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.

(b)- FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

We further read the following in the Bible:

Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

[002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.

Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup)

(c)- BEGET = CHOSE:

Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

[027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

[003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

[003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

[007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

[022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

[035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

[038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

[039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know. Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT. And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

2- Wali - Guardian.

In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali. But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father. This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery. No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these. Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters?? No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

[005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup).

The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

6- Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3]. The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. See the following links:

(Click to play videos)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

Name	My learnt translation From Hebrew Resources	Christian Translation Of Hebrew
Ezekiel	"Strong God"	"God Strengthen"
Israel	"Challenge God", "he struggles with God", or "fight with God". It also means "Defeat God".	"God Prevails"
Gabriel	"Strong God"	"Warrior of God"
Isaiah	"Salvation from Yahweh"	"Jehovah has saved"
Joshua	"Yahweh Saves"	"Jehovah is salvation"
Elli	"God"	"God"
Immanuel	"With us is God"	"With us is God"
Jesus	"Salvation"	"Salvation"
Elihu	"My God is He"	"He is my God"
Gedaliah	"Yahweh is Great" or "Jehovah is Great"	"Jehovah is great"
Eliadah	"Yahweh knows"	"God knows"
Eliab	"God is Father"	"God is father"
Elzaphan	"God is Protector"	"God is protector"
Eliakim	"God raises"	"God raises"
Elisha	"God is Salvation"	"God is salvation"
Eleazar	"God has helped"	"God has helped"
Hashabiah	"Yahweh has Considered or Decided or Chose to"	"Jehovah has considered"
Mattithiah	"Gift of Yahweh"	"gift of Jehovah"
Judah or Yahawdah	"Praised". It generally means "Praised by Yahweh".	"Praised"