Important Note:
Below, we will see how Jesus in John 8:58 didn't say "I AM". He rather said "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". See the proofs from the Greek language below!
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new evidence from the Greek language!
The sections of this article are:
1- The text of John 8:58.
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final Jewish Prophet.
(i)- Jesus also was the heir who will inherit the earth.
2- The Greek text of John 8:58. My detailed analysis.
(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!
3- Rebuttal from JewsforJudaism.org.
Must read!
4- Conclusion.
1- The text of John 8:58:
Throughout the Bible, Jesus Christ is recorded to have made many claims regarding how GOD Almighty is Higher and Greater than him. These statements should be clear enough to demonstrate and prove that Jesus Christ, the Messiah (anointed, chosen to be the lord/leader/master of the Jews, their final Prophet), is no more than a creation of GOD Almighty. However, Christians often bring few verses that supposedly prove otherwise; that Jesus is GOD Almighty Himself. Such verses are: John 1, John 8:58, Colossians 1:15-16 and perhaps few others. This article will analyze John 8:58 in great details to find out whether or not their claims are true.
Here is how John 8 reads:
(Pay attention to the red emphasis below)
John 8
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered
around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in
adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing
him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If
any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first,
until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one
condemned you?"
11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go
now and leave your life of sin."
The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am
the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will
have the light of life."
13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness;
your testimony is not valid."
14 Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid,
for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I
come from or where I am going.
15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand
with the Father, who sent me.
17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid.
18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent
me."
19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my
Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where
the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet
come.
21 Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and
you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."
22 This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, 'Where I
go, you cannot come'?"
23 But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this
world; I am not of this world.
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am
the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
25 "Who are you?" they asked. "Just what I have
been claiming all along," Jesus replied.
26 "I have much to say in judgment of you.
But
he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know
that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just
what the Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone,
for I always do what pleases him."
30 Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
The Children of Abraham
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you
hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's
descendants and have never been slaves of
anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it
forever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants.
Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what
you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father,"
they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do
the things Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth
that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate
children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."
The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would
love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he
sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the
beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies,
he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is
that you do not belong to God."
The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that
you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me.
50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is
the judge.
51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
52 At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed!
Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your
word, he will never taste death.
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham?
He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"
54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom
you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a
liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
56
Your father Abraham rejoiced
at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it
and was glad."
57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews
said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before
Abraham was born, I am (I have seen Abraham before he was even born)!"
| Jesus here was abruptly interrupted by the Jews who got fed up
from him. See the next verse below. They thought that he
was insulting their intelligence and their cherished faith by
talking blasphemous garbage (such as Abraham
rejoiced for him (John 8:56) and other things). It is
clear that Jesus was most likely interrupted and wasn't heard
finishing up his sentence. Also, the context of Jesus' words
were about seeing Abraham before he was even born. This
is nothing new in the Bible. In the Old Testament, we read: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)" Since Jesus was created from the Word of GOD Almighty, and since also our human-spirits are also created from the Holy Spirit, and since Jesus was a Word from the Word of Allah Almighty, then it is quite possible for him to have known, or seen the records of the future human-creations that were going to be created on earth, such as Abraham and others. After all, Allah Almighty uses Angels, Spirits and other created Beings of His to create creations under His Command. Things in the spiritual realm are different. Existence in the spiritual world, including our spirits, is Eternal. Our earthly bodies are not Eternal. So, Jesus having a prior knowledge about Abraham's spirit is nothing unusual in the spiritual world. 1- Examine what Yahweh Almighty did when He Declared Himself to be "I am What I am". What did He do? He Revealed His Majesty, Glory and Power! I could only imagine Moses could hardly stand on his feet from the overwhelming fear that he experienced! 2- Jesus, when he supposedly declared The Ultimate and Final Statement about himself being the "I am", what did he do? He hid himself and ran away from the beating. This is what he did after he willingly decided to declare his Ultimate and Final Statement about his being and supposed deity. Do you still fail to see the overwhelming inconsistency here? 3- Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in Greek. Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was in Hebrew. The two languages are not only far too different from each others, but the two statements are also not the same. Ample more indisputable proofs and points on this are presented below. Also, the Greek main-section below has tons of indisputable proofs as well. |
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
There are few important notes to mention here:
1- In verse 29, Jesus says that he only does what pleases GOD Almighty.
2- In verses 33, 39, 53 and 57, the Jews declare that they are the descendants of Abraham.
3- In verse 37, Jesus confirms that they are Abraham's descendants.
4- In verse 57, the Jews say that Jesus never saw Abraham.
5- (Ample proofs from the Greek language, below, are provided for this one) In verse 58, Jesus DID NOT SAY "I AM". He rather said, "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". The following analysis give further proofs for this:
6- It is also highly probable that Jesus was interrupted by the Jews picking up rocks and hurling them at him, hence, he was only recorded to have said "I HAVE" because he wasn't able to finish his sentence.
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final Jewish Prophet:
Jesus Christ was the foretold Messiah (anointed, chosen, selected). He was the final and greatest Prophet to the Jews. That is why he is the Messiah. A Messiah is a selected King. This means all of the Jews' kings were Messiahs. The Messiah is also the king who will establish the final peace on earth. He is also the Messiah because he will inherit the earth after he defeats the anti-Christ. These points are covered with Biblical references and analysis at:
So most certainly, Jesus being the heir of GOD Almighty doesn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, nor the son of GOD Almighty. Jesus will only inherit the earth. It is a symbolic speech that means that he will rule over earth. The earth will still be under the full authority of GOD Almighty. "Son of GOD" in the original Hebrew means servant of GOD. This is proven in the following articles:
2- The Greek texts of John 8:58:
Let us look at John 8:58 in Greek:
58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.
ἐγὼ (egó) was translated as I.
εἰμί (eimi) was translated as am.
So eimi (εἰμί) and eimai (είμαι) can mean have, am, and few other meanings depending on the sentence and the context.
See the following for more proofs regarding eimi (εἰμί).
Furthermore, in other verses in the New Testament, the Greek of the latter word was translated as "have":
1- John 3:28 αὐτοὶ ὑμεῖς μοι μαρτυρεῖτε ὅτι εἶπον ἐγὼ / ὅτι· οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐγὼ ὁ Χριστός, ἀλλ' ὅτι ἀπεσταλμένος εἰμὶ ἔμπροσθεν ἐκείνου.
"You yourselves testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent before him.'"
Furthermore, the following ample English translations further confirm this:
So what did we learn here?
1- εἰμὶ, while it means "am", but it could also mean "have been, was", or be used in reference to something that happened in the past (before the present).
2- As I already demonstrated in the previous main-section, the context of Jesus' response clearly and indisputably referred to Jesus have already seen Abraham before the latter was even born.
3- So even if you still insist on translating it as "I am", you still couldn't deny that in both John 3:28 and John 8:58, above, the "I am" was 100% referring to the past, which in English it would be "I have".
4- In all of this, there is not a shred of evidence that suggests that Jesus was declaring to be the "I am What I am" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3.
5- It is clear that those who insist on magnifying Jesus to this level (the level of Exodus 3), have no evidence whatsoever to support their claim, and they are nothing but desperate blasphemers. They constantly take gigantic leaps in blasphemy to prove their false religion of "conjecture", christianity, which Allah Almighty Had summed up this entire false religion into this Word.
Indeed, the false religion of christianity is no more than a conjecture of men!
(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!
Let us also not forget a very very important point here, and that is Jesus did not even speak these words in Greek. He spoke them in Aramaic, and we do not have the original texts of Jesus' words. According to the Bible's own theologians, the Bible's books and gospels [2] [3] were:
What we have today from Greek is a mere translation to what Jesus Christ had supposedly said. Translations are not originals. Thus, we don't even know what Jesus said in Aramaic to begin with. So the bottom line here is this:
1- The trinitarians have yet to prove that Jesus did say "I am" in Aramaic.
2- Jesus did refer to himself as the "I AM" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3:14.
Not only that, but as I explained above, it is odd that when Jesus decided to unveil his real deity, and claimed to be the "I AM", he ran from the group of people who wanted to beat him up! This all happened right after Jesus supposedly gave his Ultimate Statement about his real deity! Of course, Jesus never gave such statement (the I AM in Exodus 3:14). This is only the trinitarians' desperate wishes and blasphemies. But what matters here is you! Do you see how twisted and blasphemous the trinitarians' logic is?
3- Rebuttal from JewsForJudaism.org:
| From
http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/web/faq/faq128.html:
Question: Is the author of the Gospel of John claiming that Jesus is part of a tri-unity god when he has Jesus say, "before Abraham came into being, I am" (John 8:58)? Answer: John 8:56-58 states: "'Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I am.'" Trinitarians argue that the Greek words ego eimi ("I am"), allegedly spoken by Jesus (John 8:58), indicate that Jesus is God (see also John 8:24, 28). They arrive at their contention by connecting the phrase "I am" with the words spoken by God in Exodus 3:14 and often translated: "I AM THAT I AM . . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I AM has sent me to you." However, the literal and proper translation of this verse is: I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I WILL BE has sent me to you." Since the author of the Gospel of John utilized the Greek Septuagint translation of the Bible in his writings, it cannot be assumed that John's Jesus is referring to the words in Exodus 3:14. Although Jesus actually spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, not Greek, John recorded Jesus' alleged words in Greek. Ego eimi ("I am"), used by John's Jesus, is not the same as ho on ("The Being, The One Who Is"), which is used in the Septuagint's rendering of Exodus 3:14: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and He said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: THE BEING has sent me to you." Even though ho on appears in the Gospel of John, it is never used as a title or name or exclusively as a reference to Jesus. In the Book of Revelation, also credited to John by Christian commentators, ho on appears five times (Revelation 1:4, 8; 4:8; 11:17; 16:5). Significantly, in each instance, it is used as a title or designation applied to God, not Jesus. Thus: "John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come; and from the seven spirits who are before His throne" (Revelation 1:4). That this verse refers to God and not Jesus is seen from the following verse, which continues the greeting by now including Jesus as one of those sending greetings. Hence, John says, in verses 4 and 5, that greetings are sent by God, the seven spirits, and Jesus. In verse 8, John writes: "'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who
is [ho on] and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'"
(Revelation 1:8). This
verse also speaks of God, not Jesus. In Revelation 4:8,
ho on is applied to "the Lord
God, the Almighty," not Jesus, who, as the "Lamb" referred to in Revelation
5:6-7, comes to God, who is sitting on His throne. That they are two separate entities is
seen from Revelation 5:13: "To the one sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb, be
blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
In addition, ho on is
applied to the "Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, in Revelation 11:17 and
Revelation 16:5. That ho on in Revelation 16:5 refers to God and not Jesus can be seen
from verse 7, which, referring to the subject of verses 5 and 6, states: "And I heard
the altar saying: 'Yes, Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your
judgments.'" These are further indications that ho on and ego eimi are not used as
synonymous terms by John. In John 8:56-58, John is expounding his belief that Jesus
had a prehuman existence as an angelic being in heaven. John's Jesus is proclaiming here
that this prehuman existence began before Abraham was born: "Before Abraham came into
being, I am." The fact of the matter is that the text does not at all indicate how
long Jesus supposedly lived before Abraham. In no honest way can John's statement be taken
to identify Jesus as God. |
4- Conclusion:
Trinity is once again dealt a big blow that exposed its falsehood and blasphemies. Trinity is no more than a man-made idol-worship of Jesus Christ. It is a blasphemy and utterly rejected by GOD Almighty in both the Bible and the Glorious Quran. The following verses clearly demonstrate this:
"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. (The Noble Quran, 5:73)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
Indeed, Jesus Christ, the man, is only a Messenger from Allah Almighty, and he also was never crucified. Please visit:
Also, when we read Jesus' words, what find:
May Allah Almighty enable you to see the Light and the Truth of Islam. And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our beloved and blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.
The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran.
Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible.
Isaiah 53 and Psalm 91 prove that Jesus never got crucified!
Psalm 91
clearly confirms that Jesus never got crucified!
Psalm 116, 117 and 118 indisputably prove that Jesus Christ never got crucified.
Corruption in the Old Testament.
Crucifixion of Jesus is a lie according to several of the Disciples' early writings.
History of Man's corruption of the Bible.
The New Testament was not even written by its original authors.
The "God" title in Isaiah 9:6 was given to others before and after Jesus.
The early Christians rejected Trinity and never believed in it.
Contradictions in the resurrection story in the Bible.
We only believe in Jesus'
personal quotes as closest to the truth.
Jesus according to Islam
never got killed on the cross. Allah Almighty saved him.
Do Psalm 16:8-11 refer to Jesus' resurrection as the book of Acts suggest?
Jesus was never crucified according to the Gospel of Barnabas.
Deconstructing Isaiah 53 & the crucifixion/resurrection of Jesus - Exposing Paul's inventions.
Isaiah 53, Psalm 91, 116 disprove Crucifixion:
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Bible's OT and NT declare
Jesus was never
crucified:
The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:
This Prophecy is a lie!
Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
Trinity is a Joke!
Some Details: The cursed satan QUOTED Psalm 91 to Jesus challenging Jesus to jump. Jesus simply told him that yes, while the promise of GOD Almighty to protect me from all harm and death is there, but the scripture also says: "Do not tempt GOD." The Bible is very clear about the crucifixion being a man-made lie:
www.answering-christianity.com/psalm_91.htm
Psalm 118 & Jesus the "stone": Furthermore, we read in Psalm 118:
Psalm 117 Yes, they beat the day lights out of Jesus (he never felt a thing), but he never died. He was never crucified. He was never given over to death. GOD Almighty saved him. I quoted Psalm 118:22 above for you to show you that the Psalm chapters and verses that I referenced are all talking about Jesus, and not anyone else.
Never felt a thing: Again, Jesus never felt a thing. Clear proofs from the Bible and the Glorious Quran are given at:
www.answering-christianity.com/conversation_i_had_on_crucifixion_lie.htm
Satan Christ?
Matthew 26:39 If it is possible?? Why are you backing down now??? I thought you were the brave King Kong that satan made out of you:
www.answering-christianity.com/king_kong.htm
(Jesus: King of Kings or King Kong?)
So let me get this straight: 1- Jesus calls Peter a satan for telling Jesus that GOD Almighty would not allow Jesus to suffer. 2- Jesus himself begs GOD to save him from the crucifixion and all suffering?
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.
Our Creator? And Jesus is supposed to be our Creator? Infidels bray too much, and their whole religion of conjecture, "Christianity", is all empty nonsense and lies. The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing but garbage NT scriptures and lies. Take
care,
For more, please visit: Satan Christ? |
See Also:
The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22
Jesus is Yahweh the Son? See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT,
using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?
Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel
|
Also visit:
Doubting Thomas couldn't raise Jesus?? No way!! Also, 1 John 2:22 church-written lie is discussed further down in details in this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.
Thomas raised many people from the dead (Matthew 10:7-8). Yet, he and the disciples could not raise Jesus back to life after the crucifixion? Not only that, but they all fled, and Thomas became the "doubting Thomas" because he did not believe that the man who returned was Jesus. But did you not raise people from the dead already, Thomas? What happened there? You could've raised Jesus himself back to life with your own hands! Yet, it was impossible for you to believe that it was Jesus who returned? Why?
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
These alleged miracles are
very loud! If you raise people from the
dead, then the entire land of Palestine
would've heard about it. Yet, nothing
recorded historically about them. So do we
have here loud
miracles or loud lies? King Melchizedek [1]:
For ample more details, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
Jesus forbade people from calling him "son of David" and "son of Abraham". He said he is greater than them, and no one should call him son of any of these two servants of GOD Almighty. Yet, Jesus walked around and called himself son of Adam countless times:
Note: The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.
From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:
1 John 2:22-23
[1]
church-written lie are discussed further down in details in this table.
Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that
1 John contains
forgeries
by church fathers.
Also visit:
This Prophecy is a lie!
Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
Father and Son Definitions: Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian): 1- What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible? How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below) How does the Bible really define it? 2- What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 3- Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament. See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian. Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek. He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says. See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].
Who is Melchizedek? According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2]. The Bible literally says that. Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe. 4- Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus? Yes it does (*). (a)- GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything. (b)- The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit. (c)- The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural). Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?
1 John 2:22-23:
1 John 2:22-23 is another
church-written lie. Again, ironically, the Bible's own
theologians admit that
1 John contains
forgeries
by church fathers.
Christians often quote the
following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:
1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. Muslims firmly believe in the Messiah and his virgin birth miracle. Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus belief after it was fading away. Christians admit this. Also, the Glorious Quran claims that sons of GOD title was used for servants raised to honor: Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
"Messiah" is the sonship: Jesus said
Prophets are Servants,
Jesus is the Son. But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the
slave of GOD
[1]
and
who also fears GOD.
Yes indeed, the Islamic
Isa (eesa)
is the Messiah.
This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion,
which has twelve thrones or fruits
[2].
He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is
also
heir of GOD on earth
only. That's
the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly
about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and
might, he still remains a mere
abd (slave) of GOD
[1]
as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of
GOD. See also:
5- What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:
So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22? No it isn't. Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details: (a)- Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): (b)- FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا): We further read the following in the Bible:
Isaiah 41:8
Chronicles 20:7
James 2:23 So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran: [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever. [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust! [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا). So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty: 1-
Is the Protector. Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup)
Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:
Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran: [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)? 27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,- 3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations. 3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين
[007:144] (God)
said: "O
Moses! I have chosen thee
اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I
(have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then
the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give
thanks." [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things). 22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace. 35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good. 38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible. 39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know. Please visit:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT. And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called: 1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father). 2- Wali - Guardian. In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali. But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father. This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery. No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these. Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters?? No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!): [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)" Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup).
The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:
This Prophecy is a lie!
Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
6- Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3]. The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. See the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
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The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
"Son of GOD" conflict between the Bible and the Noble Quran.
Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.
"Son of God" is same as "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees with Islam, not with pagan trinity.
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John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God
was with
authority (same Greek word for
satan's rule [2]
[3])."
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Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran? And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator? And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ? See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
Other important links: [1] [2] [3]
Also:
Jesus
had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our
Creator?
Jesus said he had no Divine Will.
Jesus had to
seek permission
from GOD before performing any
Miracle.
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What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]
Note to Muslims:
As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to. I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them. May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into. Ameen.
The Gospel Christ:
So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ? Even among Christians, this remains a mystery. But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ. The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate. There are always forgeries and alterations. This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.
For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.
Prophet Muhammad thoroughly prophesied in the Bible & Old Scriptures.
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See also: Islam's end of times STUNNING Prophecies section.
Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil! (Islamic Prophecy) The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power. They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا of evil power and might on earth. See Noble Verses 17:4-8: Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world: Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)" Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him. Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors. The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed. This is both literal and metaphoric. It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images. The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty. There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4). In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity. And that false deity is not Allah Almighty. For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.
Was the
Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold
before Islam in the Bible's
Zechariah 11:17?
I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses
that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was
never prophesied in the Bible to be
ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in
the Bible to any being.
For ample
Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs,
please visit:
Many
references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our
Islamic Texts. This is one of the most popular
Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him. And indeed, we are seeing it come to
pass before our very eyes. Please also visit:
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The Gospel Christ:
So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ? Even among Christians, this remains a mystery. But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ. The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate. There are always forgeries and alterations. This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.
For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.
