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Does John 1:1 prove Trinity?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

      -  John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran.  Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

      -  What does the Quran say about John 1:1?  How was Jesus created and how did he come to existence?

      -  Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses prove trinity is false.  Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty.  His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

      -  Jesus: Except GOD Alone!  Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.  Jesus forbade anyone to call him ἀγαθόν.  He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.
  
  

Let us look at John 1:1-7,14-17:

John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Divine (theos also means Divine).
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
..........
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' "
16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

  
Islam's Answer:

1-  Prophet Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him, like Adam, peace be upon him, was created from the Word of GOD Almighty. 

2-  Jesus was not the entire Word of GOD Almighty.  He rather was a Word from the Word; meaning that he was created from the Word of GOD Almighty.

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1.2.2.6 John 1:1

Another verse quoted in defense of the "Trinity" is the verse of John 1:1 :

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

When I first learned of this verse it appeared to me that I had finally found my elusive goal. However, after substantial research into Christian theological literature, I would later come to learn that this verse too can not be interpreted to justify a "triune" God. My own experience has shown that this verse is the one most popularly quoted by most Christians in defense of the Trinity. For this reason I shall spend a little more time in it's analysis than in the analysis of the other verses.

First of all, it is quite obvious from simply reading the above verse that even in the very best case, this verse speaks only of a "Duality" not a "Trinity." Even the most resolute conservative Christian will never claim to find in this verse any mention whatsoever of a "merging" of a Holy Ghost with God and "the Word." So even if we were to accept this verse at face value and just have faith, even then, we find ourselves commanded to believe in a "Duality" and not a "Trinity." But let us see if this verse does in fact even command us to believe in a "Duality." To do this we need to notice the following points:

1) Mistranslation of the text:

In the "original" Greek manuscripts (Did the disciple John speak Greek?), "The Word" is only described as being "ton theos"(divine/a god) and not as being "ho theos" (The Divine/The God). A more faithful and correct translation of this verse would thus read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine" (If you read the New World Translation of the Bible you will find exactly this wording).

Similarly, in "The New Testament, An American Translation" this verse is honestly presented as

"In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine."

The New Testament, An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith, The University of Chicago Press, p. 173

And again in the dictionary of the Bible, under the heading of "God" we read

"Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated 'the word was with the God [=the Father], and the word was a divine being.'"

The Dictionary of the Bible by John McKenzie, Collier Books, p. 317

In yet another Bible we read:

"The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine"

The Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments, by Dr. James Moffatt

Please also see "The Authentic New Testament" by Hugh J. Schonfield and many others.

If we look at a different verse, 2 Corinthians 4:4, we find the exact same word (ho theos) that was used in John 1:1 to describe God Almighty is now used to describe the devil, however, now the system of translation has been changed:

"the god of this world (the Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not."

According to the system of the previous verse and the English language, the translation of the description of the Devil should also have been written as "The God" with a capital "G." If Paul was inspired to use the exact same words to describe the Devil, then why should we change it? Why is "The God" translated as simply "the god" when referring to the devil, while "divine" is translated as the almighty "God" when referring to "The Word"? Are we now starting to get a glimpse of how the "translation" of the Bible took place?

Well, what is the difference between saying "the word was God," and between saying "the word was a god (divine)"? Are they not the same? Far from it! Let us read the bible:

"I have said, Ye (the Jews) are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"

Psalms 82:6:

"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh"

Exodus 7:1

"the god of this world (the Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not."

2 Corinthians 4:4

What does all of this mean? Let me explain.

In the West, it is common when one wishes to praise someone to say "You are a prince," or "You are an angel" ..etc. When someone says this do they mean that that person is the son of the King of England, or a divine spiritual being? There is a very slight grammatical difference between saying "You are a prince" and between saying "You are THE prince," however, the difference in meaning is quite dramatic.

Further, it is necessary when translating a verse to also take into account the meaning as understood by the people of that age who spoke that language. One of the biggest problems with the Bible as it stands today is that it forces us to look at ancient Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures through Greek and Latin glasses as seen by people who are neither Jews, Greeks, nor Romans. All of the so called "original" manuscripts of the NT available today are written in Greek or Latin. The Jews had no trouble reading such verses as Psalms 82:6, and Exodus 7:1, while still affirming that there is only one God in existence and vehemently denying the divinity of all but God Almighty. It is the continuous filtration of these manuscripts through different languages and cultures as well as the Roman Catholic church's extensive efforts to completely destroy all of the original Hebrew Gospels (see last quarter of this chapter) which has led to this misunderstanding of the verses.

The Americans have a saying: "Hit the road men." It means "It is time for you to leave." However, if a non-American were to receive this command without any explanation then it is quite possible that we would find him beating the road with a stick. Did he understand the words? Yes! Did he understand the meaning? No!

In the Christian church we would be hard pressed to find a single priest or nun who does not address their followers as "my children." They would say: "Come here my children", or "Be wary of evil my children" ... etc. What do they mean?

A fact that many people do not realize is that around 200AD spoken Hebrew had virtually disappeared from everyday use as a spoken language. It was not until the 1880s that a conscious effort was made by Eliezer Ben-Yehudah to revive the dead language. Only about a third of current spoken Hebrew and basic grammatical structures come from biblical and Mishnaic sources. The rest was introduced in the revival and includes elements of other languages and cultures including the Greek and Arabic languages.

Even worse than these two examples are cases when translation into a different languages can result in a reversal of the meaning. For example, in the West, when someone loves something they say "It warmed my heart." In the Middle East, the same expression of joy would be conveyed with the words: "It froze my heart." If an Mideasterner were to greet a Westerner with the words: "It froze my heart to see you," then obviously this statement would not be greeted with a whole lot of enthusiasm from that Westerner, and vice versa. This is indeed one of the major reasons why the Muslims have been so much more successful in the preservation of their holy text than the Christians or the Jews; because the language of the Qur'an has remained from the time of Muhammad (pbuh) to the present day a living language, the book itself has always been in the hands of the people (and not the "elite"), and the text of the book remains in the original language of Muhammad (pbuh). For this reason, a translator must not and should not "translate" in a vacuum while disregarding the culture and traditions of the people who wrote these words. As we have just seen, it was indeed quite common among the Jews to use the word "god" (divine) to convey a sense of supreme power or authority to human beings. This system, however, was never popularly adopted by them to mean that these individuals were in any way omnipotent, superhuman, or equal to the Almighty.

2) Basic message of John:

Now that we have seen the correct translation of the verse of John 1:1, let us go a little further in our study of the intended meaning of this verse. This verse was taken from the "Gospel of John." The very best person to ask to explain what is meant by a given statement is the author of that statement himself. So let us ask "John" what is his mental picture of God and Jesus (pbuh) which he wishes to convey to us:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

John 13:16.

So the author of John tells us that God is greater than Jesus. If the author of this Gospel did indeed wish us to understand that Jesus and God are "one and the same," then can someone be greater than himself? Similarly,

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

John 14:28.

Can someone "go" to himself? Can someone be "greater" than himself?

"These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:"

John 17:1.

If John meant to tell us that "Jesus and God are one and the same" then shall we understand from this verse that God is saying to Himself "Self, glorify me so that I may glorify myself"? Does this sound like this is the message of John?

"While I (Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy (God's) name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

John 17:12.

If the author of John wanted us to believe that Jesus and God are one person then are we to understand from this verse that God is saying to Himself "Self, while I was in the world I kept them in your name, self. Those who I gave to myself I have kept ..."? Is this what the author intended us to understand from his writings?

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

John 17:24.

Similarly, did the author intend us to interpret this as "Self, I will that they also whom I have given myself be with me where I am; that they my behold my glory which I have given myself, for I loved myself before the foundation of the world"?

So, we begin to see that in order to understand the writings of a given author, it is necessary to not take a single quotation from him in a vacuum and then interpret his whole message based upon that one sentence (and a badly mistranslated version of that sentence at that).

3) Who wrote the "Gospel of John"?:

The "Gospel of John" is popularly believed by the majority of regular church-goers to be the work of the apostle John the son of Zebedee. However, when consulting Christianity's more learned scholars of Church history, we find that this is far from the case. These scholars draw our attention to the fact that internal evidence provides serious doubt as to whether the apostle John the son of Zebedee wrote this Gospel himself. In the dictionary of the Bible by John Mckenzie we read

"A. Feuillet notes that authorship here may be taken loosely."

Such claims are based on such verses as 21:24:

"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true."?

Did the apostle John write this about himself? Also see 21:20, 13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, and 21:20-23. The "disciple who Jesus loved" according to the Church is John himself, but the author of this gospel speaks of him as a different person.

Further, The Gospel of John was written at or near Ephesus between the years 110 and 115 (some say 95-100) of the Christian era by this, or these, unknown author(s). According to R. H. Charles, Alfred Loisy, Robert Eisler, and other scholars of Christian history, John of Zebedee was beheaded by Agrippa I in the year 44 CE, long before the fourth Gospel was written. Did the Holy Ghost "inspire" the apostle John's ghost to write this gospel sixty years after he was killed? . In other words, what we have here is a gospel which is popularly believed to have been written by the apostle John, but which in fact was not written by him. In fact no one really knows for certain who wrote this gospel.

"Since the beginning of the period of modern critical study, however, there has been much controversy about [the Gospel of John's] authorship, place of origin, theological affiliations and background, and historical value"

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 2, Abingdon Press, p. 932

4) Who "inspired" the author of this gospel to write this verse?:

The words of John 1:1 are acknowledged by most reputable Christian scholar of the Bible as the words of another Jew, Philo of Alexandria (20BC-50AD), who claimed no divine inspiration for them and who wrote them decades before the "gospel of John" was ever conceived. Groliers encyclopedia has the following to say under the heading "Logos"("the word"):

"Heraclitus was the earliest Greek thinker to make logos a central concept ......In the New Testament, the Gospel According to Saint John gives a central place to logos; the biblical author describes the Logos as God, the Creative Word, who took on flesh in the man Jesus Christ. Many have traced John's conception to Greek origins--perhaps through the intermediacy of eclectic texts like the writings of Philo of Alexandria."

T. W. Doane says:

"The works of Plato were extensively studied by the Church Fathers, one of whom joyfully recognizes in the great teacher, the schoolmaster who, in the fullness of time, was destined to educate the heathen for Christ, as Moses did the Jews. The celebrated passage : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word Was God" is a fragment of some Pagan treatise on the Platonic philosophy, evidently written by Irenaeus. It is quoted by Amelius, a Pagan philosopher as strictly applicable to the Logos, or Mercury, the Word, apparently as an honorable testimony borne to the Pagan deity by a barbarian........We see then that the title "Word" or "Logos," being applied to Jesus, is another piece of Pagan amalgamation with Christianity. It did not receive its authorized Christian form until the middle of the second century after Christ. The ancient pagan Romans worshipped a Trinity. An oracle is said to have declared that there was 'First God, then the Word, and with them the Spirit'. Here we see the distinctly enumerated, God, the Logos, and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, in ancient Rome, where the most celebrated temple of this capital - that of Jupiter Capitolinus - was dedicated to three deities, which three deities were honored with joint worship."

From Bible Myths and their parallels in other religions, pp. 375-376.

6) What was "The Word"?

"O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from him so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not "Three," desist! It will be better for you, for Allah is one God. Glory be to him. Far exalted is he above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Nissa(4):171

In the Qur'an we are told that when God Almighty wills something he merely says to it "Be" and it is.

"Verily! Our (Allah's) Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it "Be!" - and it is"

The noble Qur'an, Al-Nahil(16):40 (please also read chapter 14)

This is the Islamic viewpoint of "The Word." "The Word" is literally God's utterance "Be." This is held out by the Bible where thirteen verses later in John 1:14 we read:

"And the Word was made flesh".

In the Qur'an, we read:

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be.' And he was."

The noble Qur'an, Aal-Umran(3):59.

Regarding what is meant by Allah by "a spirit preceding from him" I shall simply let Allah Himself explain:

"And [remember] when Allah said to the angles: 'I shall create a human (Adam) from sounding clay, from altered mud. So when I have fashioned him and have breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down in prostration before him'"

The noble Qur'an, Al-Hijr(15):29

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John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran.  Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

What does the Quran say about John 1:1?  How was Jesus created and how did he come to existence?

The Sahih Muslim Hadiths say that Jesus is GOD Almighty's Word and Spirit - Does this mean that Jesus is Allah Almighty?

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John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

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Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

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Note to Muslims:

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The Gospel Christ:

So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.

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The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

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[1] [2]    Oxymoron Trinity: Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet he doesn't know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life.  And this proves he is our Creator?  And how is he exactly The Resurrection?  Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own?  This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols.  All are helpless.         John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own."  And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven.  Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said.    Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles.  Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].    Except GOD Alone!  Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.  Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν.  He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.    Is the metaphoric Son of GOD title supported in the Glorious Quran?  Yes.  Here are several Noble Verses that do support it.  Was even used for both followers of satan and GOD.       Doubting Thomas couldn't raise Jesus??  No way!!  He raised many before (Matthew 10:7-8):    Thomas raised many people from the dead (Matthew 10:7-8).  Yet, he and the disciples could not raise Jesus back to life after the crucifixion?  Not only that, but they all fled, and Thomas became the "doubting Thomas" because he did not believe that the man who returned was Jesus.  But did you not raise people from the dead already, Thomas?  What happened there?  You could've raised Jesus himself back to life with your own hands!  Yet, it was impossible for you to believe that it was Jesus who returned?  Why? www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm These alleged miracles are very loud!  If you raise people from the dead, then the entire land of Palestine would've heard about it.  Yet, nothing recorded historically about them.  So do we have here loud miracles or loud lies?    Also, 1 John 2:22 church-written lie is discussed further down in details in this table.  Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers. Doubting Thomas also said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh: Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.       Except GOD Alone!  Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.  Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν.  He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.    Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion.  Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits).  King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves.  They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all.  Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion.  Other people in the OT were called King of kings also.  So the title is not even unique to Jesus.    Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles.  Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].       The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: Click to play video [1].  Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of  earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale." Jonah was alive:  But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal.  He was alive on the shore, alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale.  Alive, alive, alive! This Prophecy is a lie! Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and left.  He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried.  Also, because 100s of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down.  The soldiers were even denied food due to lack of time. Jesus never got crucified: [1] [2] [3] [4].  The OT and NT clearly spell it out.  He was saved. Matthew 27:16-17:  There were two Jesuses!  Not one.  Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:    ‏[004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; [004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-       Was Jesus Christ Crucified?    At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed this debate and destroyed Christianity!    This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead.  This 3-hour debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.          Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die.  Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91.  Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament.    Here is my shortened version video.  Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones.  But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video.  See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog.  You're welcomed to join in.       King Melchizedek [1]: The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).    Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.       Also, Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son.  But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD.  Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah.  This is his special sonship.  He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2].  He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard.  He is also heir of GOD on earth only.  That's the limit of his sonship.  Otherwise, it is sun chips!  There is nothing GODly about him.  He is not our Creator.  With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD.  See also:    Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.  They are "....no more than servants raised to honor.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Oxymoron Trinity. Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only. Again, could "Jesus" and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own?  This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols.  All are helpless.  All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.       Sun Chips oxymoron:  The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.    Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!    1 John 2:22-23 [1] church-written lie are discussed further down in details in this table.  Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.    For ample more details, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam [1], and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3] [4] www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673 www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique) www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm       Adam is greater than Jesus: Jesus forbade people from calling him "son of David" and "son of Abraham".  He said he is greater than them, and no one should call him son of any of these two servants of GOD Almighty.  Yet, Jesus walked around and called himself son of Adam countless times: Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no.       Oxymoron Trinity [1]: Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times.  Trinity is a lie from Hell. Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet does not know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life.  And this proves he is our Creator?  And how is he exactly The Resurrection?  Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own?  This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols.  All are helpless.  All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty. In the OT, Elisha and many others also raised the dead: 2 Kings 4 32 Elisha arrived at the woman’s house and went straight to his room, where he saw the boy’s body on his bed. 33 He walked in, shut the door, and prayed to the Lord. 34 Then he got on the bed and stretched out over the dead body, with his mouth on the boy’s mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hand on his hands. As he lay there, the boy’s body became warm. 35 Elisha got up and walked back and forth in the room, then he went back and leaned over the boy’s body. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes. 36 Elisha called out to Gehazi, “Have the boy’s mother come here.” Gehazi did, and when she was at the door, Elisha said, “You can take your son.” 37 She came in and bowed down at Elisha’s feet. Then she picked up her son and left. Is Elisha and others like him now our Creator?    John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own." And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven.  Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said.  Visit also: Bible's problematic hyperboles.  Jesus has, for example, caused Christians to eat pork, and they're now even the world's biggest pork consumers.  But a closer look at the text reveals that he never allowed it and could never even DARE to violate GOD Almighty by allowing it.    The last two chapters of the book of Isaiah make an End of Time Prophecy about the evil and immoral ones who will be pork (pig's meat) eaters.    The Bible has ample problems with its hyperbole and excessive confusing metaphoric language, to a point where we don't know what Jesus actually means, and it has made lawful things sinful and sinful things lawful.  Interestingly, people in the NT called Jesus a fat drunk, because they observed him drinking too much wine (alcohol) and eating too much.  He was a "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19) [1] [2].  This could've played a major role in the nonsensical language that he was uttering left and right.  Only Allah Almighty Knows best.    Ample more examples are given in the link above.    Did Jesus claim to be God? (8 minutes)    Video: 1, 2. Sam Shamoun, the trinitarian barfoon, forgot that "GOD IS ONE" is mentioned countless times in his scriptures.  Also, Jesus was also called "SLAVE OF GOD" in NT and OT. There is no Divine Son that is part of Allah Almighty. That's one of the several things Islam came to correct: www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm       Muslims honor the Virgin Birth: We Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Isa Al-Maseeh, from our mother Mariam, peace be upon them both.  We also believe Isa performed many Miracles.  In fact, it was the Christians who doubted the virgin birth.  Islam came to cement it.  But Isa (eesa) was nonetheless a creation of GOD Almighty, and a slave of GOD.  Even the Old Testament calls Jesus "Slave of GOD": Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus!  Christians doubted it.  Christian scholars admit this.    Isa (Jesus), the Islamic Messiah and creation of Allah Almighty, is NOT our Creator:   Jesus, in the Bible, said he does not know when the Hour will come, only GOD alone Knows, Jesus said. Jesus said if he bears witness of himself he would be a liar. Jesus prostrated on his face and prayed and begged GOD all night long to save him from crucifixion. Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no. Jesus was called slave of GOD in Old Testament. If Jesus was GOD questions. None of Jesus' Miracles were unique in the Bible. Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie. The Fly's Digestive Miracle - Mentioned in the Holy Quran and Confirmed by Science! Is Jesus greater than Adam?  NT says no.       Sun Chips Blasphemies:    Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son.  But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD.  Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah.  This is his special sonship.  He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2].  He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard.  He is also the heir of GOD on earth only.  That's the limit of his sonship.  Otherwise, it is sun chips!  There is nothing GODly about him.  He is not our Creator.  With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD.  See also:    Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.  They are "....no more than servants raised to honor.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Oxymoron Trinity. Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only. Again, could "Jesus" and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own?  This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols.  All are helpless.  All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.       Sun Chips oxymoron:  The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.    What is Islam? What is Islam? How and Why do I convert to Islam? How do I convert a non-Muslim to Islam?    Other: www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm (according to Jesus) www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm (Matthew 24:25-27: Jesus will return as an Arab from Syria)             Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm: 1 John 2:22-23 [1] church-written lie are discussed further down in details in this table.  Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.       God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?    What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?    Son of GOD definition: Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times.  Trinity is a lie from Hell.    We read in the Bible that Prophets are servants and Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46).  Jesus is more than a Rasul (Prophet).  Jesus was also called Abd (slave) of GOD throughout the Old Testament, as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD.  Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion.  Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits).  Jesus being King of kings means that he is the King of his Mansion's twelve thrones. King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves.  They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all.  Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion.  Other people in the OT were called King of kings also.  So the title is not even unique to Jesus.    In the Bible, "the Son" refers to the Messiah, - the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews.  Son in their time meant Servant of GOD.  Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran: "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm Is the metaphoric Son of GOD title supported in the Glorious Quran?  Yes.  Here are several Noble Verses that do support it.  Was even used for both followers of satan and GOD.    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses prove trinity is false.  Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty.  His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]    Except GOD Alone!  Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.  Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν.  He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.    And other great figures in the Old Testament were also called: 1-  GOD (El) of other people. 2-  Son of GOD. 3-  Begotten Son of GOD. 4-  GOD's First Born. 5-  GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers). 6-  GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name. 7-  King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT). 8-  All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).    Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?" [1] King James Version Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. New King James Version Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities. "Servant" here is slave.  Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2], the same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general, throughout the Bible [2].  Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT. In Arabic also it's the same.  My name Osama Abdallah, which means Osama slave of Allah (GOD).  Slave is a subject of GOD.  A servant is independent.  A servant provides services.  He/she can quit serving without consequences and can even kick you out of their territory.  But a slave (ABD) is totally OWNED.    I elaborated on this point in details at: www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm The Servants are the Prophets of Israel.  But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet.  Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion.  Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits).  Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46).  Jesus is only the Lord of the Jews' Mansion. Is the metaphoric Son of GOD title supported in the Glorious Quran?  Yes.  Here are several Noble Verses that do support it.  Was even used for both followers of satan and GOD.    Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) of GOD: www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm    John 1:1: John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran.  Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [ [1] [2] [3])."    The Word encompasses Jesus: From www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839: From brother Shaad: The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation..... Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the ;witness of Jesus, and for the word of God... Revelation 1:2 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the  Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad.  I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi.  Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesuss, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares. Trinity is false.  I have added your addition to: www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm Osama Abdallah    Messiah definition: www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm    Also visit:    The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: Click to play video [1].  Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of  earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale." Jonah was alive:  But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal.  He was alive on the shore, alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale.  Alive, alive, alive! This Prophecy is a lie! Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and left.  He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried.  Also, because 100s of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down.  The soldiers were even denied food due to lack of time. Jesus never got crucified: [1] [2] [3] [4].  The OT and NT clearly spell it out.  He was saved. Matthew 27:16-17:  There were two Jesuses!  Not one.  Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:    ‏[004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; [004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-       Was Jesus Christ Crucified?    At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed this debate and destroyed Christianity!    This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead.  This 3-hour debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.          Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die.  Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91.  Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament.    Here is my shortened version video.  Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones.  But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video.  See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog.  You're welcomed to join in.    Jesus' Original Name: Prophet Jesus' original name was Eesa, as this is also his Islamic name.  Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus.  There is also a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached in Arabic.  Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine.  Islam's claims are very strongly supported.  See proofs below.    Did early Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome? Did the early believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth, Antioch, Rome and all other places?  Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews' Messiah and final Prophet.  In both the Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Ahmed was prophesied to come.  Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.  Also, see below the Dead Sea Scroll image.  The New Testament too predicts the coming of three: 1.  Elijah. 2.  The Messiah. 3.  The Prophet. John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:         John the Baptist calls Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).    So did the early believers preach the coming of Prophet Ahmed or Muhammad?  The answer is quite possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for them and not phase 1.  Jesus was the early believers' immediate Prophet, not Muhammad.  And all of the details that they had were about Jesus, not Muhammad.  It is also important to know that the following seven Roman Emperors have thoroughly burned all of the early believers' writings: 1.  Nero (54-68) 2.  Domitian (81-96) 3.  Marcus Aurelius (161-180) 4.  Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point) 5.  Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point) 6.  Trajanus Decius (249-251) 7.  Valerian (253-260) Read all the details with references here. What we have today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were written 80 years to 300 years after Jesus' departure from this earth.  So, the current writings that we have are not original writings.  Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed trinity was invented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].  Many lies had been fabricated after the original writings were all lost.  The Jews and Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad.  These were some of the original texts that survived. From Why Jews settled in Arabia section: Video and text are in the linked section above.    Jesus also preached in Arabic: See the clear proofs in the following: Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.    Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.  Arabic is estimated to date back 8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.    Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.    Prophet Muhammad foretold, by the name, in the previous Scriptures.  We still have texts today and from the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.    Important:    -  What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran? -  Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit, according to Islam.    In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title [1].  Islam came to restore the original Faith [1].       Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:       (Film in this article)    Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures.  Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the Bible, and his prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed [1] [2].       Father and Son Definitions: Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian): 1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it? 2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible?  3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].    Who is Melchizedek? According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe. Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.    Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.    4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus?  Yes it does (*).  John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."    Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.    In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms: (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything. (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit. (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural). Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?       1 John 2:22-23: 1 John 2:22-23 is another church-written lie.  Again, ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.  Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:    1 John 2 22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. Muslims firmly believe in the Messiah and his virgin birth miracle.  Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus belief after it was fading away.  Christians admit this.  Also, the Glorious Quran claims that sons of GOD title was used for servants raised to honor:  Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.  They are "....no more than servants raised to honor.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".    "Messiah" is the sonship: Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son.  But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD.  Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah.  This is his special sonship.  He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2].  He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard.  He is also heir of GOD on earth only.  That's the limit of his sonship.  Otherwise, it is sun chips!  There is nothing GODly about him.  He is not our Creator.  With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD.  See also:       1-  Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.  They are "....no more than servants raised to honor.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". 2-  Oxymoron Trinity. 3-  Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.    Sun Chips blasphemies: The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe. Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own?  This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols.  All are helpless.  All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty. Did Jesus claim to be God? (8 minutes)    Video: 1, 2. Sam Shamoun, the trinitarian barfoon, forgot that "GOD IS ONE" is mentioned countless times in his scriptures.  Also, Jesus was also called "SLAVE OF GOD" in NT and OT. There is no Divine Son that is part of Allah Almighty. That's one of the several things Islam came to correct: www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm       5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles: The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.    Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"    From https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":    ....... In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.   AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah)). Go to www.google.com  إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته    The Hadith in Arabic translates as:    "; أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته.";       This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious  (The Noble Quran, 21:26))".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam) www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses prove trinity is false.  Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty.  His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  /span> But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that ca/span>se, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.    Take care, Osama Abdallah       So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.        Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON":     Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.    In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.    FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible: Isaiah 41:8/font> "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend, Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend? James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty: 1-  Is the Protector. 2-  Is the Friend. 3-  Is the Guardian.    Also, BEGET = CHOSE.    King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.    Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.    So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our: -  Guardian -  Friend -  Protector -  And the One who Chose us.    And we definitely believe that Isa (Jesus) is the Messiah.    One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3).  But never from GOD!    GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.    Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.   So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22?  No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details: (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.    (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا): We further read the following in the Bible: Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend, Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend? James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran: [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever. [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust! [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا). So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty: 1-  Is the Protector. 2-  Is the Friend. 3-  Is the Guardian. Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions: https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE: Regarding the following verse, and many others like it: King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran: [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)? ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,- ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations. ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks." ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things). ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace. ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good. ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible. ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses prove trinity is false.  Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty.  His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called: 1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father). 2-  Wali - Guardian. In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!): [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)" Again, please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).       The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: Click to play video [1].  Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of  earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale." Jonah was alive:  But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal.  He was alive on the shore, alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale.  Alive, alive, alive! This Prophecy is a lie! Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and left.  He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried.  Also, because 100s of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down.  The soldiers were even denied food due to lack of time. Jesus never got crucified: [1] [2] [3] [4].  The OT and NT clearly spell it out.  He was saved. Matthew 27:16-17:  There were two Jesuses!  Not one.  Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:    ‏[004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; [004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-       Was Jesus Christ Crucified?    At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed this debate and destroyed Christianity!    This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead.  This 3-hour debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.          Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die.  Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91.  Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament.    Here is my shortened version video.  Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones.  But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video.  See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog.  You're welcomed to join in.       6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:                    (Click to play videos)        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

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