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If the Lord was murdered by some people's act,
what kind of god is this?
It was a suicidal act done by the two gods that manifested into human form and spirit/bird form. Together they appear on earth to do a suicidal act so that they can show Love and Grace to human. However, those that do not accept the human god's suicidal act will not be saved and send to Hell.
So technically The Gods committed suicide together but the suicide they committed involved other people torturing and then killing one of them, sounds more of an homicide than suicide.Quote![]()
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We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him?
If yes, blessed be they, they achieved His pleasure,![]()
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But if He was discontented,
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Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer,
so who answered the prayers?
Christ worshiper believe that in human form, the human god will be like mere human thus he will rely to Father in heaven. Thats why human god said to Father, Why have You forsaken (altho this dialogue was just a well planned act by the human god). The purpose of him doing suicide was to liberate sins , to show Love. Despite all that Love, during the 2nd coming during the iron rod ruling, Christ worshiper said those that were not saved by their human-god due to them opposing his words will be sent to Hell imprisoned with Satan.
So if 1 or 2 of the 3 gods died is it really a suicide or even a sacrifice for that matter? if he is only a mere human when he is human why does his sacrifice matter? Why would a part of God call out to himself when he knew what was supposed to happen? why not just say that I am God you will crucify me but i will return after 3 days? That would've had more impact.
So technically an entity innocent of sins was condemned to death because of the sins of others. Is this the type of lesson that God wants to give to humanity? that its ok to kill someone as long as you're saved from condemnation because of it?
And the question remains was it good or bad that the jews crucified Jesus Pbuh? because in the end that is what lead to liberation from sins.Quote![]()
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Were the heavens vacated,
when He laid under the ground somewhere?![]()
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Were all the worlds left without a God,
to manage while His hands were nailed?
The Father is still up there for He is the superior one. But in the Greek book, human god shall be regarded as equal to Father's status.
Then its not really a sacrifice by definition if he was still up there.
A crying, thirsty, bleeding human crying my lord my lord why have you forsaken me?( not: o why have i forsaken myself) & of-course this is before his mother breast fed him, clothed him, and took care of his needs when he was unable to do so. So keeping this in mind, how is he equal to the superior God up there in status or otherwise?Quote?
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Why did not the angels help Him,
when they heard him while he wailed??
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How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord
when He was fastened,?
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How could the irons reached Him and [had] His body pinned??
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How could His enemies' hands reach Him and slap His rear,![]()
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And was Christ revived by himself, or was the Reviver another god?
In human form, the human god will be limited in ability despite having aid from Holy Spirit. Indeed Father is the superior god. However, in the Greek book, human god and Spirit shall be regarded as equal to Father's status in aspect of worship.
So despite being a human god and having aid from the holy spirit (another form of god) and the third superior one watching from above, they were still unable to overcome their enemies? How are they equal again? in helplessness?Quote![]()
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What a sight it was, a grave that enclosed a god,
Stranger still is the belly that confined Him!?
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He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness, fed by blood!![]()
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Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
Weak and gasping to be breast-fed!?? ??
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He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted,
Is this [what you call] a god?
Christ worshiper accept the concept of manifestation of god into human appearance on earth. For they like their human god performed as suicidal act to liberate sins. This is a god that shows Love.
However, they also believe that god of Love will return to rule with an 'iron rod'. Human god will form an empire with Christ worshiper from Israel to rule the world. Those that oppose the word of human god will be sent to Hell imprisoned with Satan.
What is a human god? It is something like a Devil angel or Pious sinner or frozen fire. Its an oxymoron. If he was human then how could he be god if he was god how could he be human? Would you believe in the existence of a devil angel? So to show love God killed the "human god" although he did nothing wrong and the people who actually killed, raped or robbed were exonerated just by accepting this sacrifice. What sort of justice is that? where the victims and the criminal have no distinction as long as the criminal accepts this sacrifice. But i guess sinning is important otherwise the sacrifice would be for nothing.Quote??
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High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians,
All of them will be held accountable for their libels!??
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O Cross-worshipers! For what reason is this exalted
and blame [is cast upon those] who reject it?![]()
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Is it not logical to break and burn it,
along with the one who innovated it?![]()
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Since the Lord was crucified on it,
and his hands were fastened to it??
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That is really a cursed cross to carry,
So discard it, do not kiss it!?
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The Lord was abused on it, and you adore it?
So [it is clear that] you are one of His enemies!![]()
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If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the Worlds,![]()
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Why don't you prostrate yourself and worship graves,?
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Since the grave contained your god in it?![]()
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So Christ-worshiper, open your eyes,
This is the Beginning and this is the End.
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The cross is a symbol of Love from a god that liberated sins by doing a suicide. However the Love will not last long. Those that the human god cannot save, will be sent to hell during the second coming as Christ worshiper had believed based on the Greek books.
Did Jesus revere the cross?
A device used to torture and kill a god is a symbol of love? Then by that logic why not revere the people who tortured and killed Jesus? After all they were the ones who crucified him. Why not call Judas a saint?
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? ?Assalamu alaikum dear brother khan,
May Allah bless you for ur wonderful discussion. The dajjal named nationalism and this democracy is indeed rotting our faith and unity. And I 100% support you.
With these tthings, another fitnah has risen from the west named 'secularism', destroying the whole idea of Islamic rule.
Perhaps u know that pious () woman named Taslima Nasrin. One of her friends (I cant remember the name, Sumon perhaps and he is a writter) once told her,"QASAM OF SECULARISM! I will protect you."!
Can u imagine? People have started worshipping this thing. I am not telling to just kill the non-muslims or to deprive them of their rights, because I am not a terrorist. Islam tolerates other religions. The greatest example is the Sanad of Madina. But u cant make a hybrid constitution mixing their laws and our laws. A muslim cant think of making a secular state denying the shariah and based on democracy, while Allah clerely says;
"Whoever doesnt judge by the law which Allah has sent, he is a kafir." (5:44)
The only way we can re-establish Islamic rule as a whole in the so called 'Islamic countries' is Daw'ah. May Allah help us all this mission.
Please let me know ur opinion on this.
Allah Hafiz,
Tahmeed
Assalamu alaikum, brother khan, may Allah guide our ummah in the right path. I am very glad to read your post. We, muslims, should always be united on quran and sunnah. We should act like one body as Rasul(sm) has told us to. But it is a very sorrowful fact that when we call people to the sovereignty of Allah, as a part of tawheed, they treat us astray and call us kharijees. I read in a blog today, the writer has told that Rasul(sm) and khulafa a rashidin didn't run the khilafat on the basis of sovereignty of Allah, they ran it on the basis of treaties between muslims and non-muslims! If we look into the muslims country, we will see that in the name of democracy we are divided and fighting for power and authority. They are killing their own muslim brothers and sisters in the name of establishing the tagut,democracy. What do you think we muslims should do now by the quran and sunnah?
Reply soon.
Take care.
Abu Abdullah

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