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AOA,

For Saudi Arabia:

Female literacy rate, about 91%;
Youth (15-24 years) literacy rate (%) 2008-2012*, male: 99%
Youth (15-24 years) literacy rate (%) 2008-2012*, female: 97%

Source: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/saudiarabia_statistics.html

I don't remember where but I remember reading that women in Saudi Arabia are also given scholarships to study abroad.
Update: Found it, it is even included in the Wikipedia article:

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In the United Kingdom alone, more than 15,000 Saudi students, 25% of whom are women, attend universities.
(...)
Saudi Arabia provides female students with one of the world's largest scholarship programs. By this program, thousands of women have earned doctorates from Western universities.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Saudi_Arabia

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Muslims are humans. Sometimes they do mistakes. If you find a Muslim forcing a non-Muslim to become a Muslim, or if you find a Muslim bombing innocent people, then they lack the understanding of Islam itself. What they did will always be haram in Islam.


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The only wars whose alleged wrongness can be used to criticise Islam are the wars during the time of the Prophet and the first four Caliphs. Any other latter war or Muslim ruler may or may not be a follower of Islamic laws and guidelines.

On the matter of Spain, the Muslims were "invited" by one of the Spaniard lords. Legend has it that he sent his daughter (or his niece) to the court of one of the royals. That royal apparently had non-marital relations with her which had the effect of turning that Spaniard lord towards the Muslims and inviting them to invade Spain. If I remember correctly the ships and information for the invasion was also provided by him. Apparently, when the Muslim armies were marching through Spain, they were also joined by Jews (probably the reason they were kicked out alongside the Muslims when the Christians regained power) and other Spaniards. This is not surprising as Muslim armies in India had Hindu soldiers and generals too.

From one orientalist book I was reading, the Ummayyad Caliph of the time, when he got news of the invasion became angry and called back the Muslim commander and reprimanded him.

As I mentioned before, empires generally used to remain in perpetual war with each-other and peace treaties were the odd events.


Thank you brother. :D

Btw, I was wondering about the presence of Islam in China.

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Islam is a religion that permits war as in act of defense, never have Islam propagate a covenant on making war to all nations.

Islam was spread by Islamic traders and scholars that travel to many nations by inviting Kings and Chief tribes of those lands to reverting back to Islam . Hence why Islam spread real fast as once their kings accepted Islam, people in those lands became Muslims well.

As many smaller regions neighboring byzantine  accepted Islam, Byzantine kingdom began to be hostile and hence engaging with series of war with Islamic nations.


No offense bro. I need sources or references for further reading for that.

Also, I wondering about the expansion of Islamic kingdom to Spain and France. Was it done by sword? If there's a war, then what is the cause?

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if you look at pictures in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

there are no photos of mass killings in thousands.
So the death tolls are largely accounted due to sickness,starvation and exhaustion after the exile.


Well, but the article said "The number of victims is estimated at between 800,000 and 1.5 million."

I understand that after all, the Ottoman government were humans, they made mistakes. Just like it's unfair to blame all Germans for Nazi.

I just wondering why were they doing that.

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@IndonesianStranger,

As mentioned above, you can use:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150630063745/http://ed4444.tumblr.com/post/9078777434/the-lie-that-muslims-have-killed-270-million


Ah .. thanks bro.  :D
Btw, I've just read the article and I saw the part that said "the Ottomans did not kill the Armenians in the name of Islam". Now my question is why exactly did the Ottomans killed the Armenians?? Not that I doubt that. I believe that the Turks did not killed them because of Islam. I just wondering why.

Thx

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I am reading the Wikipedia article about Saudi Arabia, and the (Wikipedia) article "Women's Right in Saudi Arabia".  The article mentions how weak women are in the country, that no one protects them, that they were inferior to men especially in the court... you can see how much is the article demonizing Saudi Arabia. I mean, can anybody help me to stop that? I'm sick of all the lies about Saudi.

Also, there is also an article that mention a Briton jailed in Saudi (now he's/she's freed), now I don't know whether it is an old news or what, all I care about is it true or not?

Thank you.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: this quote is it true
« on: May 24, 2016, 04:21:44 AM »

Islam was spread by Islamic traders and scholars that travel to many nations by inviting Kings and Chief tribes of those lands to reverting back to Islam . Hence why Islam spread real fast as once their kings accepted Islam, people in those lands became Muslims well.

As many smaller regions neighboring byzantine  accepted Islam, Byzantine kingdom began to be hostile and hence engaging with series of war with Islamic nations.

No offense, but can you please give me the source of that? Like a book or a documentary or a (reliable) web site? So if someone ask me about that, I can give them the reference/source.

I'm a Muslim.

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I was reading a Wikipedia article about Leonine City, and then I found a statement that said the wall was built as a defense for "Muslim raiders". WHAT??

Any historians out there? I believe it is just another myth propagated by the orientalists.

Thx ..

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If it's false, then it wasn't said by Prophet Jesus (pbuh). It was said by someone who change the verses of the bible.

I mean be careful with the title. Jesus is a prophet, not divine, or an impostor. 

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ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are ??? Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are ??? Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png


This hadith was transmitted by two chains of narrators.
-First chain of narrators: Narrated by Ibn Majah from Khalid al-Hadza' from Abu Qilabah, from Abu Asma from Tsauban.
-Second chain of narrators: Narrated by Imam Ahmad from Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an from Abu Qilabah.

The hadith is deemed weak by by the ulamas. One of the reasons are:
-Al-Munawi in his book Faidhul Qodir said: One of the narrators is Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an. It has been mentioned in al-Mizan from Ahmad and the others who labelled him as a weak narrator. Ad-Dzhahabi said, "I think this hadits is munkar". (Faidhul Qodir, 1/363)

- Abu Qilabah was a mudallis (as-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, hadith explaination no. 85)

Source: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html (not written in English)

-sorry for bad english-
 


Erghm, I'm sorry, I think I posted a wrong answer. I asked to a sheikh in Jakarta about another similar hadith, but not this one. As for the hadith that you quote, it had been explained in here: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html.

"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are ??? Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are ??? Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."

The hadith is viewed weak by the ulamas, because:
1. 'An'anah from al-Walid
2. Risydin ibn Sa'd was a weak narrator (dhaif)
3. Ibn Lahaiah was a weak narrator
4. Abu Ruman was a majhul (unknown) narrator.

(al-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, 1/440)

Despite the status of the hadith, if we pay attention to the hadith, the hadith is mocking them.

And also, just because the hadith is deemed weak (I don't know if there are any ulamas who view this hadith as authentic, if there are any let me know), it doesn't mean that ISIS is Islamic right? 

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ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are ??? Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are ??? Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png


This hadith was transmitted by two chains of narrators.
-First chain of narrators: Narrated by Ibn Majah from Khalid al-Hadza' from Abu Qilabah, from Abu Asma from Tsauban.
-Second chain of narrators: Narrated by Imam Ahmad from Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an from Abu Qilabah.

The hadith is deemed weak by by the ulamas. One of the reasons are:
-Al-Munawi in his book Faidhul Qodir said: One of the narrators is Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an. It has been mentioned in al-Mizan from Ahmad and the others who labelled him as a weak narrator. Ad-Dzhahabi said, "I think this hadits is munkar". (Faidhul Qodir, 1/363)

- Abu Qilabah was a mudallis (as-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, hadith explaination no. 85)

Source: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html (not written in English)

-sorry for bad english-
 

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no offense, but can you give me the source of that? maybe i can write it in wikipedia so that people will stop believing that islam was spread by sword.

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Is this means that the Sassanid empire or the Byzantine empire were hostile to muslims ?

*i am muslim*

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