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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 14, 2017, 09:50:46 AM »NWO cleanse, you claim about politicians changing the name from Bekka to Mecca and stuff....where are the proofs for that? As far as AMuslimDude's reply is concerned, well if i were you i would have used the same response to him but i've got nothing to back it up....if you could bring some proofs it would be great for us....
Peace.
This view is because of the Qiblah change enforced by Abbasid politicians. Watch the documentary for a fuller answer.
I don't agree with this view because I believe in the Quran, I am just highlighting different views.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 14, 2017, 08:26:08 AM »
p.s. I will respond if your comment is well-researched, else assume that I am ignoring you. Peace.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 14, 2017, 08:22:47 AM »Agh,Osama already refuted this fool,all thats left is to ban him,he isnt even adressing MY points,he's just calling them weak and "mental gymnastics" even though my points are simple and straightforward,where is the PROOF?!
I provided my maps,proof,etc,and literature,he didn't so I'm waiting for a rational response with Proof.
Peace.
I didn't respond because your commend was stupid. Your maps are very much post-Islamic and digitized too, which is explicit misinformation. And Ptolemy did not note Mecca on his maps, how many times did I say it - Makoraba on Ptolemy's maps are inland and so it is not the same place as Mecca which is on the edge of the hejaz. Read: https://www.academia.edu/4735458/Suggested_Solutions_for_Issues_Concerning_The_Location_of_Mecca_in_Ptolemys_Geography
Please do not comment on this topic further, I do not wish to converse with you anymore. Thank you.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 14, 2017, 08:15:21 AM »Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to
Even Your own Quranists
[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.
(Rashad Khalifa translation)
And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.
Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.
Forget about black boxes and gymnastics for a second, I have a mental exercise for shaad, who claims this forum isn't intellectually stagnant: there are numerous problems and assumed conclusions in the above quoted comment, point some out and predict the trajectory of my reply.
It doesn't have to be perfect.
Already said, i would have used the same response....
He claimed that I was affiliated with Rashad Khalifa, just because I reject the Abbasid narrative as canonical like Rashad - this is not true. I don't believe in the no.19 miracle, it's choppy.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 13, 2017, 02:32:54 PM »Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to
Even Your own Quranists
[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.
(Rashad Khalifa translation)
And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.
Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.
Forget about black boxes and gymnastics for a second, I have a mental exercise for shaad, who claims this forum isn't intellectually stagnant: there are numerous problems and assumed conclusions in the above quoted comment, point some out and predict the trajectory of my reply.
It doesn't have to be perfect.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 13, 2017, 01:30:31 PM »NWO cleanse, you said that MuslimDude's points are already dealt with in the documentary then it won't be hard for you refute it by yourself right? I remember you implied that this website is intellectually stagnant, so it would be easy for an intellectually superior being like you to refute those points....
"Mekka" root appears once in the Quran at 48:24. Some assert that 48:24 was altered from "Bekka" (denoting Petra) to "Mekka" (denoting Mecca) by politicians and other interested parties; some assert that "Mekka" means "destruction"; others believe that it indeed denotes a place called Mecca but not the Meecca known today, but some other place in northern Arabia.
And of course those who adhere to the Abbasid narrative (the hadith, majority of this forum) will believe that this word "Mekka" denotes today's Mecca. This is false, but you are free to double think if you feel it makes your life more comfortable.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 12, 2017, 02:59:38 PM »By the way correct me if i'm wrong, isn't Mecca clearly mentioned in 48:24?
"....??
If that's not the case then what is the explanation for it?
Why don't you watch the documentary or read through the comments.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 12, 2017, 08:33:25 AM »AMuslimDude STOP THINKING. Watch the documentary or shut up.
Every atom of data is considered; safa, marwa, ptolemy, surah fil, masjid al-haram etc EVERYTHING. Dont ask me to do your research for you.
I don't understand you're telling him to do his own research when you're the one who started this discussion...how is that even logical? If you've watched the documentary then why don't you summarise the points? It's $2.99 on Amazone prime, i wonder if his parents would allow him to rent this documentary...
Hi Professor Double Think,
He's a kid? I'll stop replying to him then. Well, this forum seems intellectually stagnant.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 12, 2017, 05:25:04 AM »
AMuslimDude STOP THINKING. Watch the documentary or shut up.
Every atom of data is considered; safa, marwa, ptolemy, surah fil, masjid al-haram etc EVERYTHING. Dont ask me to do your research for you.
Every atom of data is considered; safa, marwa, ptolemy, surah fil, masjid al-haram etc EVERYTHING. Dont ask me to do your research for you.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: The cancerous Atheist community
« on: November 12, 2017, 05:15:03 AM »Well actually, one Muslim expert refuted this topic last year.
https://bloggingtheology.net/2016/10/05/was-the-earliest-qibla-petra-smith-lies-and-video-tape/
Read the literature, and I've seen this before. Don't go to speakers corner, no one can articulate their arguments in that environment.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: The cancerous Atheist community
« on: November 11, 2017, 08:28:57 PM »
If you are sollipsistic then their position is understandable. However, pure sollipsism is ignorant as the human mind can only perceive so much; Human beings operate within the visible light spectrum, this is a tiny fraction of what is physically in front of you, this includes the jinn world - an other realm of living beings.
This is fundamentally where the Quran came from (delivered by Gabriel) and this can be demonstrated by internal consistency of Quranic terms. This is why a consistent methodology must be implemented upon the text text when translating, and from what I can see, the primary people who believe in the Quran do not have a consistent methodology, they've fallen into the same trap that the Jews fell into with the Jewish oral tradition (talmud).
I will enlighten further in the near future.
This is fundamentally where the Quran came from (delivered by Gabriel) and this can be demonstrated by internal consistency of Quranic terms. This is why a consistent methodology must be implemented upon the text text when translating, and from what I can see, the primary people who believe in the Quran do not have a consistent methodology, they've fallen into the same trap that the Jews fell into with the Jewish oral tradition (talmud).
I will enlighten further in the near future.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Why Petra cannot be where Muhammad SAW was from
« on: November 11, 2017, 07:47:56 PM »What is the name of the documentary on Amazon?
The sacred city.
Please do not make further interjections until you've watched it, it summarizes everything quite nicely.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:35:16 PM »NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up. Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.
Peace.
I can't comment on the Arabic language, you might be right; I'm going to consult people who are skilled in Arabic. But Mecca at this juncture cannot mean the city Mecca today, because of everything I've said previously. If it did it would make everything messy.
Yes, I am entirely open to being proven wrong and learning. The goal is to strive to understand the Quran as it is, not assume conclusions from external literatures.
It doesn't matter. Mecca is a city in the Arabian Peninsula, and I've never heard that Petra is a holy land for Muslims.
Currently, there is no evidence that Muhammad (phub) was born in Petra. Not in the Qur'an or Hadith, or even Islamic history.
Your claim is dumb because Qur'an actually mentioned about Mecca in 1,400 years ago. Where in the Qur'an that mentioned Petra? Answer now!
In fact, all English translators, including doctors and non-Muslims, agreed that the Qur'an mentioned Mecca in 48:24.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/48/24/
NWO, just give up already. Mecca is a historical city, but Petra is useless.
Qiblah.
Maps.
Maps.
Qiblah.
Mass cencorship Qiblah Qiblah Mass cencorship.
Maps maps.
Qiblah Mass cencorship.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: I have this one question
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:31:59 PM »You just proved my point,Quranists deny the miracles of Muhammad SAW,these were miracles of our Prophet,which you afcourse disbelieve in.
You're reminiscing over a guys sweat.
Think about how stupid that is.
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