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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2016, 12:27:14 AM »
Peace to you Stardusty,

1-  Brother Hamza Tzortzis is not an Arabic speaker.  I am.

2-  Brother Hamza Tzortzis didn't use 7 encyclopedic dictionaries to thoroughly demonstrate how each Noble Word that spoke about a Scientific Miracle was used by the Arabs in their sayings and poetry before Islam, and how the Noble Words were used in the Noble Quran and Hadiths and other sayings after Islam.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm

3-  Brother Hamza Tzortzis did not even talk about the Numerical Miracles.  I thoroughly demonstrated many of them.

It seems that all you do is throw in empty nonsense to just reject Islam.  Have it your way.  I did my part, and Allah Almighty is my Witness.  You want to continue to stubbornly reject Islam, that's your problem.  This is getting out of my hand at this point.

To the reader, please visit the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links




Let's not get caught up on names:

Let's not get into the nonsense of using peoples' names as proofs.  I can name you names that are FAR GREATER THAN brother Hamza's name that fully embrace the school of the Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  These are Ph.Ds with ample research in the Glorious Quran.



Allah Almighty talked about the Scientific Miracles:

Also, and again as I mentioned in the previous post, Allah Almighty left it for us, the Muslims and people in general who live in the Advanced Ages such as ours today, to discover the Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles today under our advanced computer technology where we can do split second searches, counts and analysis.  Allah Almighty did Promise:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

"...that it is the truth..." refers to the Glorious Quran being proven to be the Truth through the Scientific Signs that Allah Almighty will reveal in the Universe and in our Physiology, Biology and Embryology, and in the Numerical Miracles that all will prove that the Quran is indeed from our Creator, the Almighty.

Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links




Why not?

Why shouldn't Noble Verse 41:53 be considered a Divine Promise and Prophecy being fulfilled by Allah Almighty, Stardusty?  Why must every STUNNING Miracle and Prophecy be rejected according to you?  If the era of unveiling the Glorious Quran's Miracles, which we call today Scientific and Numerical Miracles, has begun, then why must you resist it and reject it as the infidels of old resisted and rejected the clear and evident and indisputable Truth and Signs and Miracles of Allah Almighty and his Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon all of them?  And worse, they even killed His Prophets and Messengers, and burned His Books.  And they called GOD Almighty's Miracles sorcery, magic, and lies.

I am telling you, Stardusty, Heaven and Hell are real!  The Glorious Quran tells us this.  And you are shipping yourself to the Doom of Hell with your stubbornness and blasphemies, by rejecting GOD Almighty, rejecting the Holy Quran, and rejecting Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Yes, Heaven and Hell are VERY REAL!  Just like earth's pleasure, happiness, joy, pain, agony, bliss and fire are also real.  Heaven and Hell are real.  Why can't life be a little preview and/or demo for you and me by Allah Almighty about what to expect in the GRAND LIFE in the Day of Judgment?  Why must you chose the Doom of Hell when you have the Bliss of Heaven?  And this is no corrupt Bible or any other corrupt book claim.  The Glorious Quran has proven Itself over and over and over again to be the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty.  Allah Almighty called the Glorious Quran the Book that is "Muhaymin" (?????, "Has all Authority above all") above all books.  See Noble Verse 5:48.  So why not accept It?  Why must you be on the side of the infidels?

Regarding the Holy Quran's Authority, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2016, 12:43:15 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:

1-  Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned.  Here is the Arabic text:

?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????

[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.

The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????.  But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.


Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?

?4:67 ???? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ?????

[004:067]  And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;

?19:13 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????

[019:013]  And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,

?20:99 ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????

[020:099]  Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.

?21:17 ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????

[021:017]  If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!

?28:57 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????

[028:057]  They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.

I won't argue long with you on this.  Please do not use this approach here.  The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok. 

May Allah Almighty bless you.  Please honor my request to you.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2016, 02:33:05 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:

1-  Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned.  Here is the Arabic text:

?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????

[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.

The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????.  But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.


Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?

?4:67 ???? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ?????

[004:067]  And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;

?19:13 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????

[019:013]  And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,

?20:99 ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????

[020:099]  Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.

?21:17 ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????

[021:017]  If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!

?28:57 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????

[028:057]  They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.

I won't argue long with you on this.  Please do not use this approach here.  The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok. 

May Allah Almighty bless you.  Please honor my request to you.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Alaikom Salam brother Osama, i want to tell you one thing, wallahi i love you in the name of Allah for your effort on this site, this site has shaped my knowledge about Islam, you dont know how many times i have used your texts from this site in my dawah, i pray to Allah to reward you with paradise.

Before we end this discussion about programming letters in quran i want to tell you one thing, be like one of the sahaba when he wanted to hear what prophet had to say, he was thinking If he speak true i will accept it, if he speak falsehood i will reject it, i am logical man.

SO if i speak the true, you can only benefit from it and use my arguments in your dawah, beacuse so far nobody of atheists could reject those examples even though they wanted to do it so bad, but they could not.

Even if a Child comes to me and say, Hey, do you want to learn from me something new about quran wich can benefit you in your dawah, i would say show me, beacuse i know if something is logical i accept it if it is not i reject it, as easy as that.


when i search in quran i use your quran search on answering-christianity to verify claims of other Before i accept them


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I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:

1-  Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned.  Here is the Arabic text:

?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????

[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.

The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????.  But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.

let me explain Before you reject it

in Quran letters DNA are found on many places, 1 occurence/verse many times , 2 occurences/verse many times
so nothing is special with those occurence as far as i know beacuse they occur in many placesnothing support them expect that letters are in correct order next to each other

but you missed this

?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????

only this verse contain DNA 3 times and nowhere else in the quran, there were 1, 2 and 3 occurence /verse in the quran but not greater than 3, like 4,5 or more.
So 3 times /verse is only ONCE, that is why it makes it special in verse 18:65--->year 1865

If i picked one verse with DNA 1 occurence you could say, why pick that verse why not pick other, or if i picked verse with 2 occurences/verse you would say why pick that why not other verse with 2 occurences

but you cant say why did you picked that verse with DNA mentioned 3 times /verse and not other one with 3 times, beacuse there is no other verse with DNA 3 times. You can witness this with you own Eyes

copy letter DNA
???
and put it in your search quran program and yo uwill see that only verse 18:65 mentions only DNA 3 time and nowhere else, that is why it is special.

DO you understand me brother now?
If you want to accept this, just accept it, if you want to reject it, just reject it, and we will end our discussion with nummerical programing with letters

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2016, 02:37:12 AM »
?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????

DNA letter 3 times in one verse only

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2016, 03:55:07 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

Please write your actual writings in text and not in images.  Just like your answers to me in your recent posts.  This would:

1-  Allow for your writings to be picked up by search engines.

2-  Allow for them to be searchable by the users.

3-  Allows the user to copy and paste and verify.

Now for actual pictures like the Leech, for example, then yes, please do post them as pictures.  But please make your text in actual writings and not images.  If I have objections or find errors, then I'll just directly respond to you.  This way we can interact and reach to the Truth, insha'Allah.

May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi.  Ameen.  Feel free to express your thoughts as you wish.  I won't interfere.  I will interact with replies if needed, insha'Allah.

Take care akhi, and keep up the great work!
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2016, 04:24:44 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

Please write your actual writings in text and not in images.  Just like your answers to me in your recent posts.  This would:

1-  Allow for your writings to be picked up by search engines.

2-  Allow for them to be searchable by the users.

3-  Allows the user to copy and paste and verify.

Now for actual pictures like the Leech, for example, then yes, please do post them as pictures.  But please make your text in actual writings and not images.  If I have objections or find errors, then I'll just directly respond to you.  This way we can interact and reach to the Truth, insha'Allah.

May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi.  Ameen.  Feel free to express your thoughts as you wish.  I won't interfere.  I will interact with replies if needed, insha'Allah.

Take care akhi, and keep up the great work!
Osama Abdallah

Alaikom Selam

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2016, 03:31:40 AM »
This guy stardust is an obvious troll brother Osama

Funny when people keep talking they eventually expose themselves.


He does not believe in God and the creation yet he has no problem whatsoever swallowing the scam known as the evolution lol

Tell me something fella... how many times were your evolutionists caught red handed faking evidence?

Attaching ape jaws to human skellies lololol... and don't get me started on Lucy (more like Lucifer)


Thisguy is here to troll bro... probably Hasbara.. i can smell them miles away


Tell me something Hasbara... what do NASA first look for when they send probes to outer space to check for life?


WATER!!!!


"We created from water every living thing" ....SPOT ON!!


When you are in the grave and you are left to rot... what do you go back to? Dust... earth..clay... SPOT ON!!!


AS for the Embryology... i think i might as well take the word of an expert in the field rather than a troll: Dr. Moore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFq6E0l2J4U


And so on and so forth...

I tell you what is miraculous about the Quran... for every miracle you can say but Muhammad traveled and observed and bla bla bla.... it is the consistency... the utter precision. Not ONE mistake. now if only 2 or 3 miracles hit the nail on the head.. id be skeptic.. but each singleone of them and there are hundreds and thousands yet to be uncovered.

And we haven't even delved into the linguistics of the Quran yet and its miracles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ULa2JzPG0

The language, the predictions...

I dealt with scum like this my entire life.

This guy is a shekels per posts type of guy... AMIRITE?

Assalam :)

 



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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2016, 07:52:55 AM »
Brother Dawud,
No, there is no leech stage to human development.

"what is this then?" you ask.
Answer, a human embryo.

Yes, I realize that at that point in development there is a very crude resemblance between a leech and a human embryo.

This resembles a leech
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Oh_aR1WQ9Q/U9E5p18kanI/AAAAAAAASOw/6gLuAevyh20/s1600/image_2+-+WM.jpeg

This also resembles a leech
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyd.jpg

It is a simple observational fact that human beings resemble leeches in their early development. 

All that is needed to observe this fact is a miscarriage.

Miscarriages were, unfortunately, common.

There is no scientific miracle in describing the products of a miscarriage as a leech, or a clot, or a chewed thing.  Those are just crude descriptions of the obvious.

Peace Bro

 

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