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What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« on: April 19, 2020, 01:51:00 AM »
[Quran 54:1]: The Hour has come near, and the moon has split

Sura (Chapter) 54 of the Quran is THE ONLY chapter in the Quran titled “Al-Qamar” which means “The Moon”.

The form of the word "splitting" in arabic language when the Quran is describing this event can also be used as a form of ploughing the lands because there ARE other verses in the Quran using this "splitting" word, for example when the Quran describes rain waters "splitting" the ground )

And now If we are to count all the remaining verses right after this specific verse right all the way to the end of the Quran, we will count exactly 1389 too! The year 1389 Hijri in the Muslim calendar corresponds exactly to the year 1969 AD in the Gregorian calendar, the year in which man landed on the moon for the very first time and ploughed the moon's surface of about 22 kg of moon soil. On July 20, 1969 ( 6th day of the 5th month of 1389 Hijri ), as part of Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the Moon, and bring back to earth about 22 kg of moon soil.

It is very telling that the number of verses after the moon verse is exactly the year of the moon landing. This is quite interesting. July 1969 corresponds to the year 1389 (not 1390, don't make that mistake, the Hijri calendar is different, so the years are not 1:1, look it up for your own reference).

We should note that it is true that the Quran was NOT numbered at the time of the prophet. But the Quran is from God and God said that he would compile it. So the numbering of the Quran later than the prophet Muhammad was influenced by Allah who promised he would do it and preserve the Quran. So if the Quran is true, and Allah exists, wrote it and promised he would compile it, then he would compile the verses and their numbering in the Quran--which this evidence would indicate that indeed Allah did and that the numbering of the Quran after the prophet was indeed influenced if not caused by Allah by virtue of these miracles.

What are the odds there would be exactly 1389 verses after that moon verse? That verse could have been any number, but what are the odds it was exactly 1389, the year humans landed on the moon? It could've been 1390, 1391, 1400, 1500, 3000, any other number, but it was 1389--the year of the moon landing.

Lets read the following verses after (54:1) –
“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer. Then they saw a great miracle; but they turned away and said, “Old magic.” They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.” (The Quran, from 54:1 to 54:3)
Here, the author of The Quran specifically states – “the moon has split”, then people will see “a great miracle”, yet they still “disbelieved”. Could the “great miracle” be the fulfillment of prophecy? The quran makes it clear that the moon has split when the hour has drawn closer--which is already hinting that this is a future event when the hour has come nearer.

(One of the signs of the Day of Judgement. The Arabic uses the past tense, as if that Day were already here, to help the reader/listener imagine how it will be. Some traditional commentators hold the view that this describes an actual event at the time of the Prophet, but it clearly refers to the end of the world: cf. the same expression with reference to the sky, 55: 37; 84: 1.)

But non-withstanding what that verse actually means, let's ignore what the verse means--what are the odds that the number of verses after the first verse of the only chapter titled the moon would be 1389--the exact year humans land on the moon. The chances of this are very low. It seems like 99.9999999+% chance that it could have been literally any other number, but why was it this significant number?? It could've been any number, but it was this one, the one number that has direct significance to the first Apollo mission...Why did the quran have the number of verses it does and not more/less, why was that chapter conveniently placed in a spot such that there was exactly 1389 verses after it? What are the odds, it could have been any number, any number of verses could have existed etc etc!

What are the odds that the number of verses after the first verse of the only chapter titled the moon would be 1389--the exact year humans land on the moon. It could've been any non-significant number, but the number it happened to be was the most significant number to humans that would ever reference the moon.


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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2020, 01:54:03 AM »
There is even more!

Another thing to take into account is the time of the departure from the moon (the time 2 parts of the moon have split/parted; the time a part of the moon has been taken away from the moon) is 1:54:01 PM E.S.T.

However, there are 25 different time zones in the world, making the hour of the launch from the moon relative to the timezone you are in. The minutes and seconds of that departure though is constant throughout all time zones. So to be more precise, we left the moon at 54 minutes, 1 second past the hour.

[Quran 54:1] The hour has come closer and the moon has split.

Sources:
https://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/topics/apollo/apollo-program/landing-missions/apollo11-facts.cfm

"LM Departed Moon:   July 21, 1969
17:54:01 UT (1:54:01 p.m. EDT)"

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id=1969-059C

"The LM lifted off from the Moon at 17:54:01 UT on 21 July"

The EXACT MINUTE (and second) that part of the moon was split from the moon is 54 minutes:1 second which happens to be Quran 54:1 the ONLY verse in the Quran talking about the splitting of the moon...

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 01:56:43 AM »
There is even more!

The number of Arabic letters in this verse (Quran 54:1) is 22 letters.

Apollo 11 (the first mission to the moon) extracted 22 kg of moon rock

Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/1727968.pdf?casa_token=j30XTaKHcPMAAAAA:aXeKNtKVu3YOHy9l6dlZEQVRHddgtzTlT32u-mi227oZYJm33C-kOYGm4vPPfU5Q4y73mrIKw0F6t9WTukubQe5iPRsDF0Fe_F_403Y5h7VxNiswazDT

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2020, 02:29:01 AM »
And yes, there's more!

We just said that verse (Quran 54:1) has 22 letters in it. Also, the word "moon" in this verse is the 22nd time it occurs in the Quran (when you count the title of chapter 54--"the moon" which is another occurrence of the word "moon")

So what does that mean? That means the number 22 has dual significance when it comes to this verse and Apollo 11.

And there is!

There were 22 kg of moon rock/soil collected.
The astronauts spent 22 hours on the moon's surface before they departed the moon and split a piece off from it

Source:
https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/how-apollo-11s-astronauts-spent-their-22-hours-moon/


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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2020, 02:34:40 AM »
It is actually enough that we have the 1389 verses after it and the 54:1 seconds the LM departed the moon. That would've have been sufficient. But the Quran also gave us 22 kg and 22 hours on the moon. We did not need these 2.

This verse corresponds to when the moon was split and how much of the moon was split off.

Summary:

Quran 54:1 talks about:

  • A time progression ("the hour has come near")
  • A splitting of the moon ("and the moon has split")


(When you split something, it is not necessarily by one half. You can split something by a quarter, by a third, by two thirds etc. Saying something was split does not specify how much it was split. It could have been split in many different ways)

And:

  • There are 1389 verses after Quran 54:1, which is the lunar year corresponding to the solar year 1969, when we visited the moon and took a part of it. ("the hour has come near")
  • Quran 54:1 corresponds to the minute and second that part of the moon was taken away ("and the moon has split")
  • Quran 54:1 has exactly 22 letters corresponding to the amount in Kg that was split from the moon ("and the moon has split")
  • The word "moon" in this verse is the 22nd time it occurs in the Quran (when you count the title of chapter 54--"the moon" which is another occurrence of the word "moon" corresponding to the hours spent on the moon's surface

This is 3 layers of significance . 3 layers of improbability. or 3 "coincidences", lol. Such a finding is very very improbable if by chance.

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2020, 02:54:45 AM »
[Supplement]

An important note about significant figures.

In science, there is a concept known as significant figures. That is when referring to a calculation, there is an appropriate way to describe it.

For example: If I weigh 187.43214545817489468548 pounds, it is appropriate to say that I weigh 187 pounds.

If I say that I weigh:

  • 187 pounds
  • 187.4 pounds
[li] 187.4321 pounds
[/li][/list]

Are any of the above statements incorrect? No! They are all correct. It just depends on how many digits I want to use--that is how many "significant figures" I decide to label things by.

If I weight 187.8 pounds and tell you I weigh 188 pounds--I'm not lying to you. If I weight 187.99991 pounds and I tell you that I weigh 188 pounds. I'm not lying to you. Both are correct answers.

Now scientists themselves do this! They round. When discussing things they round.

The sources I showed you above say that the LM departed the moon at 54:01 minutes:seconds past the hour. The sources I showed you above say that we have collected 22 kg from the moon. And a popular science source I showed you above say that we have spent 22 hours on the moon's surface.

Would you be surprised to learn that the LM departed the moon at 54:00.8 seconds, that we actually collected 21.7 kg (some sources say 21.55 kg) of moon rock, that the astronauts spent 21 hours, 36 minutes, 20.9 seconds on the moon?

Did those sources above lie to you? I gave you a NASA source which said that the moon left at 54:01? Is that source wrong? Is NASA wrong? NO! That is just the significant figures they decided to use when discussing when the LM departed the moon. If you want to go into more detail, you can give more details, but using significant figures does not make you wrong. Saying it departed at 54:1 time is correct if you are only interested discussing when it departed at the level of the second not at the level of a mili-second. If I tell you I weigh 187.499 pounds and then I tell you I weight 187.5 pounds, I did not lie to you, it is still true, I just was only telling you how much I weigh to only 1 decimal point. I could've have told you how much I weigh to 12 decimal points, but I chose not to.

Likewise, the scientific article I mentioned above, it says that scientists collected 22 kg of moon rock. They collected 21.7 kg (or 21.55 kg). The article isn't wrong, it just chose not to go to the decimal point. It wanted to give you a whole number. The same idea with the time they spent on the moon (36 minutes is closer to +1 hour than -1 hour).

This is what the Quran did. There are 1389 verses after Quran 54:1. Quran 54:1 corresponds to the minute and the second (and ONLY the second, not the second AND the milisecond) that the LM departed the moon. 22 kg x2 corresponds to both the amount of moon rocks collected in kg and the amount of time we spent on the moon before we split it. 3 layers of significance! 3 Layers of improbability!

[Quran 41:53] We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2020, 03:06:30 AM »
I forgot to mention.

Here is the direct NASA source, published in 1969 (when Apollo 11 happened), saying "The total weight of the lunar material returned by Apollo 11 was 22 kg, of which 11 kg were rock fragments more than 1 em in diameter and 11 kg were smaller particulate material."

This is from NASA themselves at the time this happened:

https://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11psr.pdf

Scroll down to page 124 in the document itself (or page 115 in the PDF itself)

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2020, 08:33:06 AM »
Great finding brother.  So inshaqqa (split) alqamar (the moon) could also mean reached the moon.  In Arabic we also say shaqqa tareeqah (walked his path).  This phrase is generally used when a man leaves his father's house, or even his town or country, and goes on to start and build his life (finishing his education, starting a new job, buying a new home, getting married, etc...).  We say he had shaqqa tareeqah (split off and went on his way).  So the Noble Verse could be talking about an event that happened in the past (ex: ancient moon quakes cracked the moon is a confirmed fact), and also will happen in the future by mankind flying and ascending to the path of the moon and reaching it based on the numbers' findings and matching above.  So

shaqqa = to walk his path.
inshaqqa = had been walked or reached; that the shaqqa task got completed.  It also means cracked and/or split.




Longing to reach the moon:

In ancient times, mankind had always had a passion to fly.  Reaching the moon to the people of old was only done in their dreams!  So inshaqqa alqamar could very well mean that mankind's long desire to reach the heavens and to walk on moon will happen.  Man will yashuqqu tareeqah and reach the moon.  Allah Almighty did also tell mankind that you won't be able to ascend to the heavens until you have your sultan:

www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.mp4
www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm





We will see the Signs of Allah:

And Allah Almighty also did promise to show us His Signs that He mentioned in the Quran, - to further prove to us that the Quran is from Him, - in the Heavens and inside ourselves, which means that mankind will become scientifically well advanced to reach space and find Allah Almighty's Miracles that are mentioned in the Glorious Quran:

"We will show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#astronomy
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#geology
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Jazakum Allah Khayr, akhi.  Keep up the great work!  I will insha'Allah add this to the website.  The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing but nonsense and noise.

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2020, 06:22:53 PM »
Thank you very much for all the work you do on this website!

I wanted to say that I've been exposed to your website in my teen years after I have read about AnsweringIslam and blindly believing what they say. Your website has been the only defense I had to my beliefs. I cannot thank you enough for the work that you do. There isn't a sentence I can string together that I can use to demonstrate my appreciation and even this paragraph does not give my feelings about you and your work sufficient justice! May Allah bless you with the highest blessings.

I'm now in my adult years and in graduate school and I thank you for allowing me to remain a Muslim as I get an education by a secular school system that constantly feeds anti-religious BS down our throats. There is so much work being done in academia to convince innocent people into non-belief--it is disgusting and I have been fed these BS lies since high school.

Please keep up the good work.

It is very clear to me that this specific finding in the Quran (54:1) is a major finding. This is a big deal.

The odds of there being exactly 1389 verses after this Quranic verse (which could indicate both reaching the moon and splitting the moon, as you demonstrated!!) is ridiculously low. Moreover, the odds this verse corresponds to when the LM first departed the moon (54:1) is very low. And even more, the fact that there are 22 letters in this verse and this verse marks the 22nd time the word "moon" is mentioned in the Quran corresponding to the 22 kg of moon material lifted from the moon is very interesting. That is 3 layers of improbability. This is a big deal!


[Quran 54:1] The hour has come closer and the moon has split.

Source:
https://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/topics/apollo/apollo-program/landing-missions/apollo11-facts.cfm

"LM Departed Moon:   July 21, 1969
17:54:01 UT (1:[b]54:01[/b] p.m. EDT)"

Source:
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id=1969-059C

"The LM lifted off from the Moon at 17:54:01 UT on 21 July"

Source:
https://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11psr.pdf

Scroll down to page 124 in the document itself (or page 115 in the PDF itself)
"The total weight of the lunar material returned by Apollo 11 was 22 kg"

This is a big deal. Of course, the disbelievers will handwave it as a coincidence. And the very next verse [Quran 54:2] also mentions this. This is unlikely to be a coincidence. There could have been any number of verses in the Quran--7,000, 8,000, and there could have been any number of verses after Quran 54:1. And this is the ONLY verse in the Quran mentioning the splitting/reaching of the moon and it happens to have 1389 verses after it (corresponding to the exact islamic year the moon landing happened) and this very verse talking about the splitting of the moon happened to be in chapter 54 verse 1 corresponding to the time the LM departed the moon. And this verse contains 22nd mention of the word "moon" (and the verse has 22 letters into it) corresponding to the kg of moon material extracted. This is unlikely to be a coincidence. Any disbelieving seeing this sign and continuously rejecting the authenticity of the Quran will surely have their punishment amplified. They will stand before the lord of the worlds and they will simply have no excuse. (and of course, the very next verses Quran 54:2-8 discuss exactly this--despite this sign, they will be disbelievers and in the end, they face severe consequences!). The Quran 54:2-8 is directly warning those who experience this miracle and informing them of what's to come. To repeat, the Quranic verses after 54:1 directly warn those who deny this sign given by Quran 54:1.

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2020, 09:08:45 AM »
All praise, thanks and glory are due to Allah Almighty alone, brother.  May Allah Almighty continue to bless you and strengthen your faith in Islam.  Ameen.  I am glad that this website was very helpful for you :).  Alhamdulillah for everything. 

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2020, 06:53:28 AM »
mclinkin94

it is obvious that Moon landing prophecy in the quran aone of the biggest miracles in the Quran, a huge numericla miracle of the Quran, i have been investigating this for a long time, and i am reasercher of numerical miracles of the Quran for 9 years now, i have created biggest page on Facebook about numerical miracles, you can all visit it

https://www.facebook.com/quranicvisualmiracles/


and i have visualised Moon landing prophecy also and have little more details about it in my photos as you can see bellow, even the



even the day when apollo departed the moon is also coded as you can see bellow 124th day in that lunar 1389 year

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 01:25:45 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Dawud.  I will insha'Allah add everything to the website soon.  I haven't had a chance to update the Numerical and Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran yet.

Brother Dawud, do you have a text version of your images?  As messy as it may be, it would be great if you can post it on Google Drive or any drive and link it.  This would make your work searchable.  Otherwise, they're just images that search engines can't pickup.  I will add text from my end, insha'Allah.  But it would be great if you can provide the full text, akhi.

Jazakum Allah Khayr.

Take care,
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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 03:23:57 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Dawud.  I will insha'Allah add everything to the website soon.  I haven't had a chance to update the Numerical and Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran yet.

Brother Dawud, do you have a text version of your images?  As messy as it may be, it would be great if you can post it on Google Drive or any drive and link it.  This would make your work searchable.  Otherwise, they're just images that search engines can't pickup.  I will add text from my end, insha'Allah.  But it would be great if you can provide the full text, akhi.

Jazakum Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Alaikom Salam

i dont have text versions of the photos, i know it is little problematic to search them via google.

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 03:53:40 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

Brother Miclinkin94, your amazing work has been uploaded to the website at:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_landing_miracle_in_quran.htm

I have captured all of your references and uploaded them to the website and linked them in your article to permanently preserve them.


Jazaka Allah Khayr for your amazing finding!  Great work, akhi.  May Allah Almighty continue to bless you and strengthen your faith in Islam.  Ameen.

Take care,
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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing. 54:1
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 05:03:06 PM »
This is perfect thank you for your good work and the archive of those references! Good call!