Answering Christian apologists, and the punishment for virgin-rape in the Bible!
(He is a new convert to Islam, from the Netherlands)
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV
This verse clearly speaks about the punishment for rape of a virgin girl, however not according to Sham Shamoun. This article refutes and exposes sham shamouns false claim that Deuteronomy 22:28-29 doesnt talk about rape, his article can be found at http://./Shamoun/ot_and_rape.htm
Brother Zaatril gave already a good reply to sham shamouns article before at:
This article proofs that brother Zaatril is right and Sham Shamoun is wrong. At the end of this article you will see for your self how sham shamoun tried to deceive the readers with false statements and conclusions.
First lets look at Genesis 34:1-7 , to see the similarity between these verses and deuteronomy 22:28-29.
Genesis 34:1-7 "Now Dinah the daughter of Leah, whom
she had borne to Jacob, went out to see the women of the land. And when Shechem the son of
Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he seized (laqach) her and lay (shakab) with
her and humiliated (anah) her. And his soul was
drawn to Dinah the daughter of Jacob. He loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her.
So Shechem spoke to his father Hamor, saying, Get me this girl for my wife.
Now Jacob heard that he had defiled his daughter Dinah. But his sons were with his
livestock in the field, so Jacob held his peace until they came. And Hamor the father of
Shechem went out to Jacob to speak with him. The sons of Jacob had come in from the field
as soon as they heard of it, and the men were indignant and very angry, because he had
done an outrageous thing (nbalah) in
Genesis 34:1-7 clearly speaks about rape:
So the words he seized her and lay with her means rape in the bible.
word used for seized in genesis 34:1-7 is laqach
When we look at verses
Deu 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
The Hebrew word used for lay hold on her is taphas
The proof is sufficient to see that laqach (gen 34:1-2) and taphas (deu 22:28) have the same meaning. Since genesis 34:1-2 proofs that seized her/lay hold on her means rape, it is clear that deuteronomy 22:28 also talks about rape.
Deu 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled (anah) her, he may not put her away all his days.
Also notice that Deuteronomy verse 29 says she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled (anah) her the hebrew word used for humbled is anah , which in genesis 34:1 is translated as humiliated, so the girl in deuteronomy (28-29) is humiliated by the man , the hebrew word anah means humiliated ! (see: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1131617037-4421.html )
Further notice that in deuteronomy chapter 22 the verses about adultery (not rape and sexual abuse) dont use the words seizes her/ lay hold on her and humiliated her
Deu 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Deu 22:23 If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Deu 22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being] in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
These verses clearly dont mention anything like he seizes her/lay hold on her or humiliated her .In deuteronomy 22:25-26 the verse mentions force, and in deu 22:28-29 the verse explicit mentions and lay hold on her, and lie with her and because he hath humbled (anah= humiliated) her, , therefore deuteronomy 22:28-29 clearly speaks about rape / sexual abuse.
We know have exposed the deceiving lie of the christian missionary Sham Shamoun who tried to hide the fact that deuteromony 22:28-29 speaks about rape, however there are also honest christians who admit the true meaning of the verse, see the proof for yourself below:
Another trick some christians like sham shamoun use to deceive the reader is referring to Exodus , they try to deceive the reader by claiming that exodus 22;16-17 and deuteronomy 22:28-29 are the same situations , this is not true.
Exd 22:16-17 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
First of all exodus 22:16-17 talks about seducing (entice) a virgin, not rape. Now sham shamoun will scream that therefore deuteronomy doesnt talk about rape, this is weak understanding and not correct from his site, since the word entice in exodus can never mean seizes/ lay hold on her like in deuteronomy 22:28-29. Even if we for the sake of argument take the impossible statement of sham shamoun that exodus 22:16-17 and deuteronomy 22:28-29 refer to the same situation, then sham shamoun has to admit that deuteronomy 22:28-29 abrogated exodus 22:16-17, since the verses of deuteronomy were revealed later then the verses in Exodus. However the different context and meaning of the words in both verses proof that exodus 22:16-17 and deuteronomy 22:28-29 are different situations and therefore dont represent the the same rules ! This is not just a muslim opinion, honest christians and high jewish scholars of the Torah confirm this, check below the commentary of the Torah by Rabbi Dr. Azriel Rosenfeld :
I respect the honest christians and jewish scholars who admit the true meaning of deuteronomy 22:28-29..Check aslo the jewish website below (translation of torah and commentary in one), who honestly shows us the context and meaning of these verses in deuteronomy. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 mentions the case if a unmarried (girl) virgin is raped, the previous verse talk about the case when a betrothed girl is raped. So clearly both verses talk about rape.
The bible sadly doesnt mention the girls right to deny the rapist. Even if she would have had this right, the rapist only has to pay some silver sheeks to the father to get away with his crime. This is not a just punishment for rape of a virgin, it is insulting for the virgin to let the rapist get away in such a easy way, it is even more insulting for the virgin to give a command to marry the rapist (bible commentators say the girl can deny the rapist for marry, however the bible doesnt mention this right)
According to the Bible, seduction and rape of an unwed girl were crimes against her father, for he would not only lose the anticipated bride-price for his daughters virginity but also have the onus of having to marry off damaged goods. Bible law is concerned with giving him justice and not the virgin. In Exodus 22:1516 and Deuteronomy 22:2829, we find the laws that stipulate money (a payment for damages) given to the father and the daughter married by both the seducer (Exodus) and the rapist (Deuteronomy).
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