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His article can be located here: http://www..org/Wales/jesus_paul.htm
Anthony Wales has written up a booklet in which he tries to show 100 similarities between Jesus and Paul. However so, the title is a deception, since Wales does not really show similarities, all he does show is that Paul did preach some similar things to what Jesus preached. So Wales should have titled his article 100 doctrine similarities between Jesus and Paul, because when reading Waless title one gets the impression that the article will show similar characteristics between the two.
1. Jesus is the Messiah or Christ
JESUS: He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God". And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven". (Matthew 16:15-17)
PAUL: Paul was occupied with proclaiming the word, testifying to the Jews that the Messiah was Jesus. (Acts 18:5)
So was the prophet Muhammad, in the Quran Jesus is declared as the Messiah as well:
PICKTHAL: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
Paul was actually more concerned with the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, nothing else really mattered to Paul, defiantly a stark contrast to Jesus. Paul changes everything about the death of Jesus, rather than preach the real message of Jesus which is worship one God, and obey his commands, as Jesus himself said in the NT. Paul didnt care about those commands, in fact he broke many of them. One example would be circumcision; he broke the covenant by declaring its not needed.
2. Jesus is the Son of God
JESUS: All of them asked, "Are you, then, the Son of God?" He said to them, "You say that I am". Then they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips!" (Luke 22:70-71)
PAUL: Immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God". (Acts 9:20)
And what does the Son of God mean? By declaring Jesus the son of God to the Jews did not mean he was God or part of God, not at all. Here is what son of God meant:
THE MEANING OF THE SON OF GOD
In the Tanakh
In the Tanakh, the phrase "sons of god" has multiple meanings:
In the Tanakh the term does not connote any form of physical descent from, or essential unity with, God. The Hebrew idiom conveys an expression of godlikeness (see Godliness).
In Judaism the term "son of God" is rarely used in the sense of "messiah."
Taken from http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=son+of+God
So note, according to the Jews the term Son of God in no way means God. And since Jesus audience were Jews, this means when he called himself the son of God he was going by the meaning that the Jews believed in. And the meaning of Son of God was not being God or part of God, but meant a servant of God, a judge, a ruler to carry out Gods commands.
So Paul calling Jesus the son of God means that Paul also confirmed that Jesus is not God.
However we have Christians telling us Paul preached that Jesus is God, but if Paul did so, then he contradicts himself, since calling Jesus the son of God means that Jesus is not God, and if Paul did call Jesus the son of God meaning he is God, then Paul made his own new definition of son of God.
3. Jesus is Lord
JESUS: You call me Teacher and Lord - and you are right, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)
PAUL: There is... one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)
Being called Lord in the Bible does not always mean you are being called God, this is common fact. When Jesus was called lord it was not meant to call him God or any of that, others were called lords etc.
However note that Paul now tries to make this title seem more important and unique by claiming that Jesus is the only Lord by saying there is one Lord. So Paul went and made Jesus seem divine for people calling him Lord, and calling someone Lord in the Bible does not make you God.
Secondly, did they really call him Lord? Or did they call him rabbi?
Let us quote an interesting piece from brother Bassams article on the evolution of the NT:
The word 'Lord' being exchanged for 'Rabbi'
Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three sheltersone for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."
Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three sheltersone for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."
So note the evolution in the text. Jesus goes from being called a teacher to being called a Lord in the newer version of Matthew. For easier understanding, Christian scholars agree that the earliest Gospel that was made was that of Mark, then Matthew, then Luke and so on. And as we read these Gospels, we see that the character of Jesus keeps getting more modified and changed.
Here is another example take from brother Bassams paper:
The word 'Lord' being exchanged for 'Teacher'
Jesus was in the stern, sleeping on a cushion. The disciples woke him and said to him, "Teacher, don't you care if we drown?"
The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!"
So note once again Matthew changes things around and makes the text say they called Jesus Lord. Whereas the earlier Gospel has Jesus being called teacher. This is an obvious evolution in the text of the NT.
This should not be too surprising, since every Gospel writer wrote the Gospel to how he saw fit, making alterations, leaving things out and adding things to make the story seem better:
The authorship of this Gospel is traditionally ascribed to St Matthew, a tax-collector who became an apostle of Jesus. However, most modern scholars are content to let it remain anonymous.
The relation of the gospels to one another is the subject of some debate. Most modern scholars believe that Matthew borrowed from Mark and the hypothetical Q document, but some scholars believe that Matthew was written first and that Mark borrowed from Matthew (see: Augustinian hypothesis). Out of a total of 1071 verses, Matthew has 387 in common with Mark and the Gospel of Luke, 130 with Mark, 184 with Luke; only 387 being peculiar to itself.
Like the authors of the other gospels, the author of Matthew wrote this book according to his own plans and aims and from HIS OWN POINT OF VIEW, while at the same time borrowing from other sources. According to the two-source hypothesis (the most commonly accepted solution to the synoptic problem), Matthew borrowed from both Mark and a hypothetical sayings collection, known by scholars as Q (for the German Quelle, meaning "source").
Matthew extenuates or omits everything which, in Mark, might be construed in a sense derogatory to the Person of Christ or unfavourable to the disciples. Thus, in speaking of Jesus, he suppresses the following phrases: "And looking round about on them with anger" (Mark 3:5); "And when his friends had heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him. For they said: He is beside himself" (Mark 3:21), etc. Speaking of the disciples, he does not say, like Mark, that "they understood not the word, and they were afraid to ask him" (ix, 3 1; cf. viii, 17, 18); or that the disciples were in a state of profound amazement, because "they understood not concerning the loaves; for their heart was blinded" (vi, 52), etc. He likewise omits whatever might shock his readers, as the saying of the Lord recorded by Mark: "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" (ii, 27). Omissions or alterations of this kind are very numerous.
The point of quoting all this is to basically show that Jesus being called Lord is doubtful and is an obvious evolution in the text of the Gospel on the character of Jesus.
4. Jesus is God
JESUS: Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe". (John 20:28-29)
PAUL: From them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed forever. (Romans 9:5)
If Paul did teach that Jesus is God then he is indeed an anti-Christ since Jesus never claimed to be God, nor was it his mission to make people believe in that. Jesus made it clear that he was a prophet, a man sent from God to the children of Israel to bring them back to God. That was his mission; Jesus would rebuke Paul if Paul taught that Jesus is God.
Secondly, even from the text of Thomas I dont see anything from the text that shows Jesus being God. It is obvious that Thomas had some doubt, then regretted it then cried to Jesus saying my Lord (which is doubtful, he could have said teacher for all we know) and then cried to God saying and my God. So Thomas basically confirmed Jesus is the prophet and from God.
Also let us read the NT, these verses prove that Jesus is NOT God:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
A God sent to a specific nation? I think not, Jesus was a prophet; this is exactly why he was sent to a specific nation like all other prophets before him.
Jhn 14:24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
So note Jesus claims his saying and doctrine is not his. This means the Gospel he taught and preached did not belong to him, it belonged to someone else, and who can that be? That person is God.
So just like all other Prophets Jesus teaches the people things which are not from him, but from God, and Jesus teaches them a Gospel that is not from himself, but from God.
Jhn 12:49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
So everything Jesus speaks is not of himself, not his own will, but God tells Jesus what to say, and what he should speak. This is defiantly a prophet; prophets do not speak of themselves, but speak of what God tells them to speak.
I could quote many many more verses showing Jesus is not God, but those shall do. So as we see Jesus showed that he was not God, so if Paul taught that Jesus is God then Paul was wrong and an anti-Christ.
5. Jesus is Human
JESUS: Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing what Abraham did, but now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God". (John 8:39-40)
PAUL: There is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human. (1 Timothy 2:5)
So what is it? Is Jesus a human or is he God? Can you and Paul make your minds up? One minute he is God, the next he is human. Or wait, he is the God-man? What blasphemy is this that you utter?
Also the verse from Paul proves that Jesus is not God. Note it says Jesus is the mediator between humankind AND God, this shows that Jesus is someone different than God.
So a contradiction now, Wales said that Paul preached that Jesus is God, yet as we see, Paul shows that Jesus is not God. So more problems than solutions.
6. Jesus was born of a woman
JESUS: The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God. And now, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:30-32)
PAUL: When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman. (Galatians 4:4)
Well at least Paul could admit that Jesus came from a woman, the reason I say that is because was clearly anti-women and didnt respect them:
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
1 Corinthians 11:9
neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
Also from brother Karims rebuttal:
To Marry Or Not To Marry in the Bible ?
And the LORD God said, "It is NOT good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper meet for him."
Here god tells us that it is not good for men to be alone, so god gave adam a wife, called eve. Later on in the bible however we read:
1 Corinthians 7:1-2
Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
1 Corinthians 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.
Now God in the bible created women for men, because it was not good that men should be alone. Now later on paul tells us that it is good not to marry, and to stay alone , instead of married. A clear cut contradiction. (https://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/to_marry_or_not_marry_2.htm)
7. God sent Jesus
JESUS: I cam from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. (John 8:42)
PAUL: For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son. (Romans 8:3)
Note the confusion among Christians. Here Wales tells us that GOD SENT Jesus, this means that Jesus is not God! Wales then shows that Paul believed the same thing. So if Paul did then how did he also preach that Jesus was God? Which one was it? An obvious clear contradiction, if Paul preached that Jesus was God as Wales earlier claimed, then we have a problem here since Paul shows Jesus is not God. So make your mind up.
8. Jesus is the way to the Father
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
PAUL: Through him both of us have access in one Spirit to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
Yes, Jesus is indeed the way to the Father, just like all other prophets were. Once again Wales and Paul prove that Jesus is not God. Good job to both of you, you make my work much easier and you prove how confused you two really are.
9. Jesus is Light
JESUS: Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world". (John 8:12)
PAUL: What fellowship is there between light and darkness? What agreement does Christ have with Beliar? (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)
Once again we have a classic example of the evolution in the Gospels. Note how John now goes to call Jesus the light of the world, yet in the earlier Gospels we see that Jesus was simply specifically sent to the children of Israel:
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus even tells his disciples to go the children of Israel:
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Note Jesus even tells his disciples to not go to the Gentiles! So this is an obvious modification in the Gospel by John, he wants to make it seem that Jesus was sent for everyone when he clearly wasnt, nor did he tell his disciples to go to the gentiles.
10. Jesus is life
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. (John 14:6)
PAUL: When Christ who is your life is revealed. (Colossians 3:4)
Indeed Jesus is the way, truth, and the life, just like every other prophet was:https://www.answering-christianity.com/rebuttaltosamshamoun32.htm
Most of what Wales bring up is also confirmed by Islam, so what is the point in showing Paul preaching some of the same things in which Jesus did? He clearly modified them as well, and contradicted himself, and took on modified evolved stories of Jesus as we see.
It is the Quran which agrees with these teachings that Jesus brought yet doesnt not contradict them or add on them and make things up from modified evolved texts.
This shall conclude part one.
Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.
Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.
A Muslim's Rebuttals section.
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