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« on: June 28, 2013, 02:48:50 pm »
ASSALAMUALYKUM.


      Brothers, some christens like to claim that, that a complete Surah as big as Chapter 9 is missing from the Quran according to Sahih Muslim (No. 2286) and they claim that if Quran is ALLAH'S Book then how can a goat eat the verses which Aisha hid under her bed? They also say that Quran is corrupted according to the historical manuscripts of Sana and Uthmanic manuscripts.


Can anyone please help me with this? How can we response to such claims strongly? Someone please help me.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 04:49:48 pm »
(Also the following detailed refutation is a must read: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5574.html#msg5574)


As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Farhan Uddin,

Let's look at the Hadith that you mentioned:

"Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a slirah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13)." (Sahih Muslim, Book 5: The Book of Zakat (Kitab Al-Zakat), Book 005, Number 2286)

The answer is very simple:

1-  The doubt happened in Iraq, not in Madina or Mecca.

2-  Why go to a doubtful source, when you have the primary source?

3-  The Holy Quran was written and compiled on the spot during Prophet Muhammad's days, peace be upon him.

4-  Memorizing the Holy Quran was something the Muslims big on, because it was from Allah Almighty, and also because they needed to read the Holy Book in their daily Prayers.

5-  The Holy Quran was perfectly preserved in Mecc and Madina.

6-  The noise that you hear is from places that were many 100s of miles away, on foot.

7-  And who told you that these Hadiths are reliable?  I am one Muslim that believes that there are consipracies done in the Bukhari and Muslim and other Hadith collections.  Yes, they contain Truth in them.  But they also contain what clearly appears to be deliberate poisons in there to poison the believers' faith.  Example of this:  A person was walking down, and saw monkies stonning to death an adulterous she-monkey?? (Source).  Do animals even have these types of rituals and intelligence among them?

And what's even funnier is that the narrator (the guy) says that he started stonning the she-monkey with them (Source).  I mean this is as if he is deliberately spitting in the face of the reader, and the reader's intelligence!  It is as if there is a hidden message to the Muslim reader that says:  "Hey stupid!  This is in your so-called most authentic hadiths collections."

Why does such garbage exist in the Sahih Bukhari and Muslim and other Hadith collections?



Two simple missing "verses" caused so much noise:

Another example of the poisons injected in the Sahih Hadiths literature is this:

1-  The so-called missing stonning (rajm) Verse (Ayah).

2-  The so-called ADULTS ALLOWED TO SUCH breasts and become foster children to any female verse (ayah).

I ask you in the Holy Name of GOD Almighty, could not any living person in Mecca and Madina even memorize the texts of these two small and simple verses??  We're not talking BOOKS MISSING HERE.  We're talking about two simple short verses that we don't even have their texts??

Clearly this is nothing but poison of lies injected in the Sahih Hadiths volumes.  It's a conspiracy against Islam from within!  Again, spitting in the face and intelligence of the reader! 

What's even more funnier and monkier than this is that in Egypt and Saudi Arabia they had huge debates about whether a grown up man can suck a woman's breasts and become her foster child.  Yet, in the Holy Quran, sucking the breasts is only for the first two years of the child's life.  So even a small kid is not allowed to suck his mother's breasts; let alone a grown up man like ME sucking a a woman's breasts:

"The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term....  (The Noble Quran, 2:233)"



Would not the drawn attention have caused for the "verses" to be memorized and documented?

We are taught in our Islamic Hadiths literature that Caliph Omar said the following to the Muslims:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."  (Sahih Bukhari, Book 82: Punishment of Disbelievers at War with Allah and His Apostle, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816)

And regarding the verses about the suckling of adults:

عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها

Reported 'Aisha (RA): ‘the verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times was revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) expired and we were occupied by his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.’ (Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 1944)

Question:  Since supposedly so much light was shed upon these two topics by Omar and Aisha, and so much attention was drawn to them, how come then no one was able to come up with their texts??  Today, we do not have the actual texts of those alleged "verses".  All we have are empty claims in the poisoned books!  Doesn't this prove that these alleged conversations by Omar and Aisha, may Allah Almighty be pleased with them, - in the narrations above, - never actually took place?  In other words, they are lies on the mouths of Omar and Aisha, just like that lie above about the stoning of the she-monkey!

This should further demonstrate that there are injected lies and conspiracies in our Hadiths collections.  Now, this doesn't mean that we should reject the Hadiths by the wholesale.  No.  I am not a Qurani or Quran-Only Muslim.  In fact, I exposed this false cult on the this website.  But false hadiths above clearly demonstrate that there are conspiracies, from within, against Islam.  You couldn't possibly be a sane person, and at the same time accept the stoning of the she-monkey Hadith!  Yet, it's in our strongest and supposedly most authentic Hadiths collections.

The same goes with the suckling for adults and the stoning alleged "verses".  With all of the supposed drawn attention to them, it should've been very easy for Muslim to write them down.  After all,

1-  Did they not come down for all Muslims? 

2-  Were they not memorized by many Muslims?

3-  Were they not written down by other Muslims?



The Prophet got bewitched through a piece of his hair??

Here is another example that further demonstrates the clear conspiracy and poisons of lies that were deliberately injected into our Hadiths literature, from within.  Consider the following absurd Hadith:

Narrated 'Aisha:

"That Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O 'Aisha!) Do you know that Allah has advised me as to the problem I consulted Him about?" 'Aisha said, "O Allah's Apostle! What's that?" He said, "Two men came to me and one of them sat at my head and the other at my feet, and one of them asked his companion, 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The former asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?' The latter replied, 'Labid bin Al-A'sam (a Jew).' The former asked, 'With what did he work the magic?' The latter replied, 'With a comb and the hair, which are stuck to the comb, and the skin of pollen of a date-palm tree.' The former asked, 'Where is that?' The latter replied, 'It is in Dharwan.' Dharwan was a well in the dwelling place of the (tribe of) Bani Zuraiq. Allah's Apostle went to that well and returned to 'Aisha, saying, 'By Allah, the water (of the well) was as red as the infusion of Hinna, (1) and the date-palm trees look like the heads of devils.' 'Aisha added, Allah's Apostle came to me and informed me about the well. I asked the Prophet, 'O Allah's Apostle, why didn't you take out the skin of pollen?' He said, 'As for me, Allah has cured me and I hated to draw the attention of the people to such evil (which they might learn and harm others with).'

Narrated Hisham's father: 'Aisha said, "Allah's Apostle was bewitched, so he invoked Allah repeatedly requesting Him to cure him from that magic)." Hisham then narrated the above narration. (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7)""
  (Sahih Bukhari, Book 75: Invocations, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400)

So a Jew steals a piece of the Prophet's hair, says abakadabra on it, and the Prophet gets betwiched??  Seriously??  Why can't this be a Jew-hating lie that was invented by liars who fabricated this entire story for propaganda?  Now, you all know how vicious I am against zionism on this website.  But I am not against innocent Jews or any innocent person, in general.  This false story just doesn't make any sense, and it is quite absurd!  Not only that, but it clashes head-on with the Holy Quran:

[017:047]  We know best why it is they listen, when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"

[025:008]  "Or (Why) has not a treasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched."


So if Prophet Muhammad was betwiched, then the Quran has failed in Noble Verses 17:47 and 25:8!  Furthermore, how could the people who made the claim be then "wicked", if their claim was true?

Think about it:  If you have a video recording of Osama Abdallah (me) committing adultery with a woman, and you decide to expose me on it, because you just got sick and tired of my lies and hypocrisy.  How on EARTH would that make you wicked??  If the Prophet was indeed bewitched, then how could saying that he is indeed bewitched make one wicked??



So now all Muslims are wicked??

Think about it.  This makes every Muslim, who believes that the Prophet was indeed bewitched, a wicked person!  If you believe in those Hadiths, then you have become a wicked person according to Noble Verses 17:47 and 25:8!



Here is the bottom line:  What agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran.  And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.  You may use the toilet too if you'd like, just as long as it doesn't have GOD Almighty's or any Sacred Word or Name in it.

And last and not least, please visit the following link to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Also, Prophet Muhammad and Islamthoroughly prophesied, even by the name, in the Bible, Dead Sea Scrolls, and other previous Scriptures: http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.



Where is the proof for my statement above?

I was asked before how can I substantiate the following statement from the Holy Quran:

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Here is the bottom line:  What agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran.  And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.

Here is the proof from the Holy Quran:

[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

[004:115] After the guidance has been revealed and explained, if anyone parts his way with the messenger and follows a path different from that of the believers, then We will divert him along his (chosen) path. We will hurl him in the hell (in the hereafter). What a despicable destination!

[006:046] Say, “Have you (ever) considered? What if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed off your heart? Is there a god besides Allah, who could give you back these senses?” Observe, how We explain the revelations in detail. Yet, they turn away (disdainfully).

[006:055] In this manner, We explain Our revelations in detail, so that the ways of the criminals would become (widely known and) well recognized.

Allah Almighty also called the Holy Quran "Muhaymin" (مهيمن, "Has all Authority above all", or "the dominant Book with the Highest Authority").  See Noble Verse 5:48.  For ample more on this point, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


So the real genuine Hadiths that are Quran-Approved are the ones that directly explain and detail the Holy Quran's Commands.  Not every word that came out of the Prophet's mouth is a legitimate Hadith:

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet used to invoke Allah, saying, "Allahumma ighfirli khati'ati wa jahli wa israfi fi amri, wa ma anta a-'lamu bihi minni. Allahumma ighfirli hazali wa jiddi wa khata'i wa amdi, wa kullu dhalika 'indi"

WHICH READS IN ENGLISH AS:

"O Allah! Forgive my mistakes and my ignorance and my exceeding the limit (boundaries) of righteousness in my deeds; and forgive whatever You know better than I. O Allah! Forgive the wrong I have done jokingly or seriously, and forgive my accidental and intentional errors, all that is present in me."
  (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 408))

This is why those who say that the Prophet never spoke out of his own desire, and that every word he spoke was an inspiration are all in error.  The following Noble Verses that they use only refer to the Holy Quran's Revelations:

[053:002]  You companion has neither erred, nor has he gone astray,
[053:003]  Nor does he speak out of his own desire.
[053:004]  It is nothing but pure revelation revealed by God.
[053:005]  The Lord of the Mighty Powers has taught him (i.e., Angel Gabriel),


Those who say that Prophet Muhammad was a "Walking Quran", and that every single word he spoke was an inspiration are full of rubbish nonsense.  This is further supported in the following Noble Verse:

[003:159]  It is part of the Mercy of God that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (God's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in God. For God loves those who put their trust (in Him).

‏3:159 فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك فاعف عنهم واستغفر لهم وشاورهم في الامر فاذا عزمت فتوكل على الله ان الله يحب المتوكلين

Why should the Prophet consult anybody when every word he spoke was a Divine Inspiration or Revelation?  This Noble Verse clearly proves that the Prophet was only inspired at certain fixed times, and not all of the time.  So him not speaking out of his own desire refers to the Holy Quran's Divine Revelations. 

And again, the following detailed refutation is a must read: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5574.html#msg5574.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 05:14:24 pm »
AsalmuAlaikum,

For anythimg to do with Quran visit :   www.islamic-awareness.org/quran
It covers a large amount of critisms.

For preservation of quran. Source: www.quranproject.org



Preservation and Literary Challenge of the Qur’ān
 
Memorization
 
‘In the ancient times, when writing was scarcely used, memory and oral transmission was exercised and strengthened to a degree now almost unknown.’[1886] relates Michael Zwettler. It was in to this 'oral' society that Prophet Muhammad was born. During its revelation, which spanned twenty three years, not only did the Prophet teach the Qur’ān, he memorized it entirely himself as did many of his Companions amongst them; Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Ibn Masud, Abu Hurairah, Abdullah bin Abbas, Abdullah bin Amr bin al-As, Aisha, Hafsa, and Umm Salama. The Angel Gabriel would spend every night in the month of Ramadhan with the Prophet, on a yearly basis, to refresh his Qur’ānic memory.
 
The lives of Muslims revolved solely around the Qur’ān; they would memorize it, teach it, recite portions from it every day for their obligatory Prayers – and many would stand a third of the night in prayer reciting from it.  There existed so many memorizers of the Qur’ān, that it was considered strange to find a family without someone amongst them who had not memorized the Qur’ān entirely.
 
As time progressed, literally thousands of schools were opened devoted specifically to the teaching of the Qur’ān to children for the purpose of memorization. The teachers in these schools would have unbroken Tazkiya’s [authoritative chains of learning] going back to the Prophet himself through his many Companions – and this system exists even today.
   
Indeed, we live in a world where there are millions of memorizers of the Qur’ān, scattered in every city and country spanning the whole globe. These memorizers range from ages 6 and up; males, females, Arabs, non-Arabs, blacks, whites, Orientals, rich and poor.
 
There does not exist a single book, secular or religious, which has as many memorizers of it, as the Qur’ān. In reality, if one considers the ‘greatest’ writings of the world; Old and New Testament, Aristotle, Plato, Shakespeare, Orwell, Marx, Dickens, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu etc.– one may ask, how many people have memorized them? Seldom do we find a single individual.
 
Hypothetically, if we were loose all the books of the world, by throwing them into the sea for instance, the only book we could resurrect entirely word-for-word would be the Qur’ān – and, amazingly, it could be done simultaneously in every country of the world within twenty-four hours.
 
Kenneth Cragg writes, “This phenomenon of Qur’ānic recital means that the text has traversed the centuries in an unbroken living sequence of devotion. It cannot, therefore, be handled as an antiquarian thing, nor as a historical document out of a distant past. The fact of Hifdh (Qur’ānic Memorization) has made the Qur’ān a present possession through all the lapse of Muslim time and given it a human currency in every generation never allowing its relegation to a bare authority for reference alone.”[1887]
 
Written Text
 
The entire Qur’ān was in writing at the time of revelation from the Prophet’s dictation by some of his literate companions, the most prominent of them being Zayd ibn Thabit.[1888] Others among his noble scribes were Ubayy ibn Ka’b, Ibn Mas’ud, Mu’awiyah ibn Abu Sufyan, Khalid ibn Waleed and Zubayr ibn Awwam.[1889] The verses were recorded on leather, parchment, scapulae (shoulder bones of animals) and the stalks of date palms.[1890]
 
The codification of the Qur’ān (i.e. into a ‘single book form’) was done soon after the Battle of Yamamah (11AH/633CE), after the Prophet’s death and during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr. Many companions became martyrs in that battle, and it was feared that unless a written copy of the entire revelation was produced, large parts of the Qur’ān might be lost with the death of those who had memorized it. Therefore, at the suggestion of Umar to collect the Qur’ān in the form of writing, Zayd ibn Thabit was requested by Abu Bakr to head a committee which would gather together the scattered recordings of the Qur’ān and prepare a mushaf - loose sheets which bore the entire revelation on them.[1891] To safeguard the compilation from errors, the committee accepted only material which had been written down in the presence of the Prophet himself, and which could be verified by at least two reliable witnesses who had actually heard the Prophet recite the passage in question[1892]. Once completed and unanimously approved of by the Prophet’s Companions, these sheets were kept with the Caliph Abu Bakr (d. 13AH/634CE), then passed on to the Caliph Umar (13-23AH/634-644CE), and then Umar’s daughter and the Prophet’s widow, Hafsa.[1893]
 
The third Caliph Uthman (23AH-35AH/644-656CE) requested Hafsa to send him the manuscript of the Qur’ān which was in her safekeeping, and ordered the production of several bounded copies of it (masaahif, sing. mushaf). This task was entrusted to the Companions Zayd ibn Thabit, Abdullah ibn Az-Zubair, Sa’eed ibn As-’As, and Abdur-Rahman ibn Harith ibn Hisham.[1894] Upon completion (in 25AH/646CE), Uthman returned the original manuscript to Hafsa and sent the copies to the major Islāmic provinces.
 
A number of non-Muslim scholars who have studied the issue of the compilation and preservation of the Qur’ān have also stated its authenticity. John Burton, at the end of his substantial work on the Qur’ān’s compilation, states that the Qur’ān as we have it today is:
 
“…the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized and approved by the Prophet…. What we have today in our hands is the mushaf of Muhammad.”[1895]
 
Kenneth Cragg describes the transmission of the Qur’ān from the time of revelation to today as occurring in “an unbroken living sequence of devotion.”[1896] Schwally concurs that:
“As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned, we may be confident that their text has been generally transmitted exactly as it was found in the Prophet’s legacy.” [1897]
 
The historical credibility of the Qur’ān is further established by the fact that one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia.[1898] According to Memory of the World Program, UNESCO, an arm of the United Nations, ‘it is the definitive version, known as the Mushaf of Uthman.”[1899]

This manuscript, held by the Muslim Board of Uzbekistan, is the earliest existent written version of the Qur’ān. It is the definitive version, known as the Mushaf of Uthman.[1900]
 

A facsimile of the mushaf in Tashkent is available at the Columbia University Library in the United States of America and the Topkapi Museum, Turkey.
A copy of the mushaf sent to Syria (duplicated before a fire in 1310AH/1892CE destroyed the Jaami’ Masjid where it was housed) also exists in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul,[1901] and an early manuscript on gazelle parchment exists in Dar al-Kutub as-Sultaniyyah in Egypt.
 
             
This manuscript held at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul can be dated back to the late 1st century Hijri.
 

This Qur’ānic manuscript is housed at the al-Hussein mosque in Cairo and is amongst the oldest of all the manuscripts, and is either Uthmanic or an exact copy from the original.
 
More ancient manuscripts from all periods of Islāmic history, found in the Library of Congress in Washington, the Chester Beatty Museum in Dublin (Ireland) and the London Museum, have been compared with those in Tashkent, Turkey and Egypt, with results confirming that there have not been any changes in the text from its original time of writing and is proof that the text of the Qur’ān we have in circulation today is identical with that of the time of the Prophet and his companions.
 
The Institute for Koranforschung, for example, in the University of Munich (Germany), collected over 42,000 complete or incomplete ancient copies of the Qur’ān. After around fifty years of research, they reported that there was no variance between the various copies, except the occasional mistakes of the copyist which could easily be ascertained. This Institute was unfortunately destroyed by bombs during WWII.[1902]
 
Thus, due to the efforts of the early companions, with God’s assistance, the Qur’ān as we have it today is recited in the same manner as it was revealed. This makes it the only religious scripture that is still completely retained and understood in its original language. Indeed, as Sir William Muir states, “There is probably no other book in the world which has remained twelve centuries (now fourteen) with so pure a text.”[1903]
 
The evidence above confirms God’s promise in the Qur’ān:
 
“Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’ān and indeed, We will be its guardian.”
Qur’ān 15:9
 
The Qur’ān has been preserved in both oral and written form in a way no other book has, with each form providing a check and balance for the authenticity of the other.[1904]

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 05:34:48 pm »
I found answeer to your question but im on my phobe will tellvyou tomorrow. Its really simple. Regarding that hadith

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2013, 01:38:21 am »
Thanks Brother Osama for your answer. And I'm really sorry for using such childish titles. Please forgive me. And brother please don't get annoyed with my Questions. I just want to strengthen my base in Islam.


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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 09:28:37 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Farhan,

No worries dear brother.  Ask all of the questions that you have concerns with, freely akhi.  I never had an issue with your questions.  It was only the title dear brother.

I have just updated my response above.  I added a new section called:

"Would not the drawn attention have caused for the "verses" to be memorized and documented?" [1]

This should further demonstrate that there are injected lies and conspiracies in our Hadiths collections.  Now, this doesn't mean that we reject the Hadiths by the wholesale.  No.  I am not a Qurani.  But my post above clearly demonstrates that there are conspiracies from within against Islam.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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The bewitchment of the Prophet, and Noble Verses 17:47 and 25:8!
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 10:32:28 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Please visit my updated post above at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1166.msg4047.html#msg4047.

Noble Verses 17:47 and 25:8 declare that those who say that the Prophet of Islam got bewitched are WICKED!  Yet, we have Sahih Hadiths that say the Prophet got bewitched.

I openly challenge any MUSLIM or NON-MUSLIM to refute this!  And I call upon all Muslims to DECLARE WAR on our Hadiths literature, and to filter them from all of the poisons that exist in them!  Visit the link that I gave to understand why.  Why are we tolerating this garbage in our Hadiths??  Why are we tolerating the religious thugs for bullying us, and intimidating us with the threats of calling us "KAFIRS" if we reject such garbage hadiths?

Thanks to brother Farhan Uddin for causing me to write the post that I linked above, because I will take it upon myself to compile as many rubbish hadiths that clearly clash with the Holy Quran as possible, and prove to the Muslims and non-Muslims that our Hadiths collections must get filtered, and we must throw those that disagree with the Holy Quran, and keep those that agree with the Holy Quran, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 03:13:15 am »
Assalamualykum.

 Brother, I heard there are some Sahih Hadith manuscripts at some museums or libraries. So, 1)how come these hadiths got inserted?

2) And when these hadiths got inserted, why didn't anyone oppose them?

3)Didn't they match them with the original manuscripts? or the problem is with the original manuscripts?

4) Brother Osama, you said these are some internal conspiracies. Okay my Question is,  Why Muslims would conspire against themselves by inserting some false hadiths?
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 06:50:59 am »
I just want to make a comment to Osama . Simply saying that Bukhari and Muslim have conspiracies in their books means nothing ! Sure , there are around 20 weak (unauthorized) sayings in those two books which scholars have made clear through the science of Hadith . So what of it ?! Did anyone say they were angels and never make mistakes ?

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 11:38:00 pm »
I just want to make a comment to Osama . Simply saying that Bukhari and Muslim have conspiracies in their books means nothing ! Sure , there are around 20 weak (unauthorized) sayings in those two books which scholars have made clear through the science of Hadith . So what of it ?! Did anyone say they were angels and never make mistakes ?

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother "Black Muslim",

Thank you for the information, dear brother, but I don't think it's just limited to just 20 Hadiths, nor does this mean that we have to now reject Bukhari and Muslim.  I am simply casting a lot of doubt on several of the even strong stories.  I gave examples above.  I believe something fishy happened in the collections of the Hadiths.  And they're not as sound and had been thoroughly investigated and authenticated as some Muslims claim today.  There seem to be hadiths that were put there to attack or degrade the Prophet.  Like the bewitchment hadiths.  I believe they're lies as I explained above.

I am going to write an article about this, soon, insha'Allah.

Take care akhi,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 12:17:29 am »
Brother Osama, you're alive! :P

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 01:59:16 am »
Assalamualykum.


 Brother Osama, how are you? May be it's my last conversation with you for this month. Because I'm going out somewhere next week.

Brother one question,

 Why Muslims conspired against themselves?

 And when these hadiths were inserted why didn't anyone oppose?

 And, aren't the present copies of Sahih Hadiths same as the original manuscripts? or there's a problem with the original copies? If there is then didn't the hadith writers like Bukhari realize that these hadiths are fabricated?

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 02:44:07 am »
Assalamualykum.


 Brother Osama, how are you? May it's my last conversation with you for this month. Because I'm going out somewhere next week.

Brother one question,

 Why Muslims conspired against themselves?

 And when these hadiths were inserted why didn't anyone oppose?

 And, aren't the present copies of Sahih Hadiths same as the original manuscripts? or there's a problem with the original copies? If there is then didn't the hadith writers like Bukhari realize that these hadiths are fabricated?

May Allah shower His unending blessings upon you, your family and the entire Muslim Ummah.

It could have easily been non-muslims who wanted to degrade Muhammad and actually deluded people into thinking Muhammad did that.

For example:

Book 007, Hadith Number 2380. (Abu dawud)
►Narated By 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin : The Prophet (pbuh) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.


^Are you kidding me! Clearly the fabricator wanted to make the prophet look bad! Even if he did that, why talk about it??

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 04:05:45 am »
Assalamualykum.

 Brother, Thanks but why didn't the Early Muslims delete those hadiths. And, I heard there are some a manuscript of Sahih Bukhari. So, the problem is in the original manuscript or the present copies? And if the problem is with the original manuscripts then why couldn't Bukhari realize it?


 I smell something fishy in the collection of Hadiths. Maybe some histories of the collection are missing. Yes I firmly believe there are many authentic hadiths, but there's something wrong in the collection. We have to identify it as soon as possible by going through the history of Hadith collection again thoroughly and precisely.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 08:44:04 am »
Brother Osama, you're alive! :P

As'salamu Alaikum my Beloveds,

I am very sorry for taking a long time out of the board.  I've been busy focusing and concentrating on my big projects, which I've mentioned a long time ago on this board and on the website.  Even the website's updates I haven't been keeping up with them.  I am planning on finishing a lot of things by the end of this year, insha'Allah :).  Please forgive me for neglecting you.  I hope you're all well and happy and your faiths are stronger than ever, insha'Allah.  The same for your familes, insha'Allah :).


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Brother, Thanks but why didn't the Early Muslims delete those hadiths. And, I heard there are some a manuscript of Sahih Bukhari. So, the problem is in the original manuscript or the present copies? And if the problem is with the original manuscripts then why couldn't Bukhari realize it?

I believe because of lack of technology and also lack of knowledge about these Hadiths, dear brother.  Muslims till this very day of ours still don't read much of the Hadiths.  They sort of learn them by the word of mouth from others.  Only the specialized Scholars know the Hadiths in details.  I personally came to know about much of the Hadiths from the anti-Islamics.  This was before I decided to study many of them myself and build a Hadiths search engine on the website. 

Now the problem that many of the Hadiths scholars have is that their hands are tied down.  Intimidation and bullying, and ultimately being fired from the committee is what they fear.  They have to be hypocrites.  It'll take laymen like us, who later become real Scholars, to pull this project through.  This is my opinion.


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It could have easily been non-muslims who wanted to degrade Muhammad and actually deluded people into thinking Muhammad did that.

For example:

Book 007, Hadith Number 2380. (Abu dawud)
►Narated By 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin : The Prophet (pbuh) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.


^Are you kidding me! Clearly the fabricator wanted to make the prophet look bad! Even if he did that, why talk about it??

I agree with you, dear brother.  The Holy Quran is BIG on chastity and being protective of chastity. Women are even forbidden to knock their heels against the ground to make sounds, in the Holy Quran.  This is due to protecting their chastity and not have them be misunderstood to being flirty or inviting men to sin with them:

[024:031]  And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.

Yet, we have Hadiths from Aisha about very personal times and matters between her and the Prophet??  What business does anyone have to know about personal things that took place between the Prophet and his wives??

There are far more serious problems than just this!  There are narrations about Aisha allowing men to suck her sisters' breasts so they would become foster children to them so that it would then be ok for Aisha to be alone with these men to meet them and speak with them???  There are problems with this:

1-  This whole lie about allowing adults to suck from women doesn't exist in the Holy Quran.  Not even kids older than 2 years old are allowed to suck from their very own MOTHERS!  Let alone grown up stranger men doing it.

2-  I thought Aisha WAS ALREADY a mother to all Believers because of her marriage to the Prophet!  So why would she need to resort to such methods???

There is clear conspiracy in the hadiths!  And we have to be courageous enough to take on the bullies and to expose these false lies!  The burden lies upon us.  It won't come from Saudi Arabia or Egypt's Al-Azhar.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah