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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2016, 06:54:33 PM »
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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 08:02:07 PM »
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Thank you for the help guys. What about the second part regarding judgement day ?

As in will we be resurrected on earth ? If so then :

A) Doesn't our bones disintegrate ?
B) why would we be resurrected only to die again since earth will go crazy and insane.

OR will we be resurrected and judged in Jannah with Allah ?

As'salamu Alaikum,

Great question!  After the Cosmic Crunch (also known as Big Crunch), where the Universe will roll back like the rolling back of scrolls, Allah Almighty will RE-CREATE the Universe with a SECOND EARTH that we will resurrect from.  This is all in the Glorious Quran, and the Cosmic Crunch and the rolling of the Universe is also confirmed by Science.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/cosmic_crunch.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/cosmic_crunch_and_creation_of_2nd_universe_and_earth.mp3
www.answering-christianity.com/miracle_of_the_space_fabric.htm




Proof that "Earth" الارض is also Plural:

والارض جميعا (all of the earths)

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, also said there are earths أرضين like ours in the Universes.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm


In the third link above, in the article that I wrote, there is a MIGHTY REFERENCE that clearly and indisputably proves that EARTH is both plural and singular and not just singular:

[039:067]  No just estimate have they made of God, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth ALL OF THE EARTHS والارض جميعا[/size] will be but His handful,  and the heavens will be rolled up والسماوات مطويات in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him!

‏39:67 وما قدروا الله حق قدره والارض جميعا قبضته يوم القيامة والسماوات مطويات بيمينه سبحانه وتعالى عما يشركون


"God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that God has power over all things, and that God comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.  (The Noble Quran, 65:12)"

The word "number" does not exist in the Arabic Noble Verse.



Notice the following points:

1-  We know that Allah Almighty created 7 HEAVENS and of the EARTH similar to them.  That's in the Quran, and can also be found here:

www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm

2-  Notice here Allah Almighty talked about ALL OF THE HEAVENS will be all Rolled up: والسماوات مطويات.

3-  And all of the EARTHS will also be rolled up: والارض جميعا.  All of the earths in all of the seven Heavens.



4-  Allah Almighty spoke about MANY EARTHS THROUGHOUT THE 7 HEAVENS, and here He referred to all of them as EARTH الارض

5-  الارض in the Glorious Quran is both singular and plural.  The Noble Verses here definitely support this 100%.

6-  والارض جميعا (all of the earths) is speaking about all of the earths in the seven Heavens.  Yet, Allah Almighty used the same Word, الارض , which is also used in the singular.




All living Creatures in the Universe:

7-  Furthermore, Allah Almighty Said:

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens (plural) and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them ومابث فيهما من دابة: and He has power to gather them together when He wills.  (The Noble Quran, 42:29)"

 ‏42:29 ومن اياته خلق السماوات والارض ومابث فيهما من دابة وهو على جمعهم اذا يشاء قدير

Please visit the following article to see the ample Noble Verses where Allah Almighty used HEAVEN and HEAVENS in the singular and plural:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe

Indeed, Allah Almighty scattered through all of the EARTHS in the Universe living creatures.  All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, and no one else.




Nothing is Hidden:

Also, in Noble Verse 3:5, Allah Almighty Said that NOTHING in earth (singular) الارض and HEAVEN (singular) سماء  is hidden from Him.  Obviously, here Allah Almighty is speaking about THE ENTIRE ETERNITY OF ALL CREATIONS, and all of the creations.  Not just our single earth and Heaven.  Here Earth is all Earths, and Heaven is all Heavens.

‏‏3:5 ان الله لايخفى عليه شئ في الارض ولا في السماء

[003:005] Allah -- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven.


Sometimes Allah Almighty speaks in the singular to emphasize the GREATNESS of something.  Like for example when He commanded the Muslims to ONLY CALL to Him in Prayer.  He didn't use the Majestic WE.  Instead, He used the singular I.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm

Noble Verse 3:5 above is also one of those Noble Verses where the singular is used to emphasize the greatness of something.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 12:47:33 AM »
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They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.
And the Horn will be blown, and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will fall dead except whom Allah wills. Then it will be blown again, and at once they will be standing, looking on. (39:67-68)


the heavens got roll up and stars,planets,rocks movements will be in disarray. some of them will be heading towards earth.


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There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.
So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?
And when the heaven is split open and becomes rose-colored like oil (55:35-37)

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[It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing. (14:48)

the essence of the destroyed earth will still be used to recreate or reshape new earth with its past creatures.




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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 03:52:22 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Submit,

Jazaka Allah Khayr for your explanation.  But akhi, I don't see where it would disagree with multiple earths:

 ‏39:67 وما قدروا الله حق قدره والارض جميعا قبضته يوم القيامة والسماوات مطويات بيمينه سبحانه وتعالى عما يشركون
 ‏39:68 ونفخ في الصور فصعق من في السماوات ومن في الارض الا من شاء الله ثم نفخ فيه اخرى فاذا هم قيام ينظرون

[039:067]  No just estimate have they made of God, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but His handful, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him!

[039:068]  The Trumpet will (just) be sounded, when all that are in the heavens and on earth will swoon, except such as it will please God (to exempt). Then will a second one be sounded, when, behold, they will be standing and looking on!


Certainly, "7 HEAVENS and of the EARTH similar to them" (65:12) clearly suggests multiple earths.  The number, however, is not just 7 earths.  As I have adequately demonstrated and proven above, earth is both singular and plural.

You further said:

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the essence of the destroyed earth will still be used to recreate or reshape new earth with its past creatures.

I am not sure about that, because Allah Almighty Said:

يوم نطوي السماء كطي السجل للكتب كما بدأنا أول خلق نعيده وعدا علينا إنا كنا فعلين

"The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill it.  (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

I am not sure after the Big Cosmic Crunch anything from earth will remain LOL :).  Certainly, Allah Almighty Said that He'll repeat the creation as He began it.  Again, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2016, 06:12:29 PM »
Our bones DO disintegrate but if Allah says be everything becomes,so if he says to our disintegrated bones "Be" and to our skin "Be" wont we become?


We will be woken only to be judged,to receive our final judgement,to see what Is our final destination,and we wont be killed again,we will be sent to our rightful places,Hell OR heaven.
but the earth will die off.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 06:56:37 PM »
@AMuslimDude123 So what you're saying is we'll be resurrected here and judged after the earth dies off?

Where will this judgement/resurrection take place heaven or hell ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 08:55:29 PM »
No the judgement will be before it,in Mount Arafat,the Seat of Allah is there where he will judge us.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 08:58:33 PM »
but however this is Pakistani mythology,But we will be judged on earth,after we get our rightful places its over.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2016, 09:30:21 AM »
Could someone please elaborate what is meant by بساطا ؟ is it carpet or spread ?

And doesnt a carpet give off the impression of flat ?

Thanks in advance guys

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2016, 03:47:55 PM »
Unless this could be referring to tectonic plates ? but aren't those irregular shaped ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2016, 03:56:27 AM »
The carpet is an impression of the earth's terrain Allah describes it as spread out as a carpet. mould a carpet that is green,blue,and all the earth's color onto a Sphere,you have a thing JUST like earth which is a miracle of the Qur'an.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2016, 08:55:35 AM »
I kind of have a hard time understanding that tbh cause carpet really gives off a wrong impression

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2016, 02:12:54 PM »
@AMuslimDude123 i see thanks for the link. But what have scholars of old said regarding these verses ? Did they teach the earth was flat like the Christians ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2016, 02:21:26 PM »
@AMuslimDude123 i see thanks for the link. But what have scholars of old said regarding these verses ? Did they teach the earth was flat like the Christians ?


 Read my oldest comment in this section. Almost all scholars said that the Earth is round.

You should also read this article:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_s_article__the_qur_an_and_the_shape_of_the_earth_


 It refutes every verse which the anti-Islamics bring up. Read it.