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From the hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116

"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years.". "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

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I am confused between the difference of a messenger and a prophet are they the same things

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It is originally a pagan prophetic book created by sibyl some sort of mysticist that offered it to the Romans

Is The Bible's Book of Revelation A Plagiarism of the Sibylline Oracles Written in 510 BC?
The Sibylline Revelation.

Notes :

The ‘immortal priestess,’ Herophile, considered to be the greatest seer of pagan antiquity, lived in a cave in Cumae, in Campania, Italy, and delivered oracular prophecies while in a state of trance. She was known as the Cumaean Sibyl.

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Around 510 BCE, she offered nine volumes of her prophecies, called ‘The Mysteries of Isis and Osiris,’ to the seventh Roman king, Tarquin the Proud, at the very high price of three hundred gold pieces. When the king declined to buy them, the prophetess departed, and burned three volumes in the palace courtyard. She offered the remaining six books, at the original price, and once again the king declined to buy. Three days later, the Sibyl returned, publicly burned three more volumes, and then offered the three that remained to the king at the original asking price for all nine. There was much local gossip at these strange events, and, Tarquin’s curiosity aroused, he purchased the three volumes. The Sibyl then departed, and was not seen again.

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She was subsequently known to history as the Sibyl of Tarquin, and her three volumes became highly prized in the Roman Empire. They were kept in a specially carved marble chest commissioned by Tarquin, lined with ‘the purple of kings.’

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Priests were appointed to interpret the writings,and scribes were assigned to produce exact copies. The original collection was jealously guarded in the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus, and frequently consulted by priests. In times of peril and disaster, the original copies were entrusted to curators, assisted by two Greek interpreters in reading the oracles aloud to the Senate. Tacitus recorded that statues of the Sibyl were idolised, and that ‘invocation was made, and lustral water was brought to wash her cella’ and her statue in the Capitol. Sometimes the statues were ceremoniously taken to the sea, and washed there.

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The Sibyl’s writings, regarded as ‘the mouthpiece of the gods,’ were recognised as the most efficacious instruments in Roman religion, and were customarily observed and respected by all Romans.

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The originals perished in the fire that destroyed the Temple of Capitolinusin 83 BCE, and were immediately replaced with copies from other temples. A special priestly college, called the Quindecimviri Sacris Faciundis, was set up by Julius Caesar, to take charge of the Sibylline books, and its sixteen members exercised great influence on decisions of state.

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Augustus, the first Roman Emperor, directed the preparation of additional identical sets of the Sibyl’s oracles, and they were supplied to the Senate in Egypt, and to priests in all the Hellenised lands.

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In 12 BCE, he transferred a special ‘pontifex’ collection to the Temple of Apollo, on the Palatine hill, where it remained until 405 CE. All this demonstrated their legal status, and their immeasurable worth,while misuse of the Sibyl’s oracles was punishable by death. For at least the first four centuries CE, the Sibylline Books were held to be the highest religious authority in the Roman Empire. So highly regarded were the Sibyl’s prophecies that the fourth century church usurped her second book, inserted narratives that dealt with Christian characters,and then said it was a divine revelation given to the apostle John by Jesus Christ from Heaven, and added it to their New Testament. 9 Church records state that Cerinthus ‘rewrote’ the original Sibyl’s prophecies to create a falsified version, that was adjusted again in the fourth century, when it was added to the New Testament. The early church was so concerned that the general populace would learn that its Book of Revelation was a forgery, that in 405 CE the Bishop of Rome ordered the Roman general Flavius Stilicho to burn as many copies of the Sibylline Books as he could find.

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The Bishop of Alexandria, Dionysius (d.c. 204 CE), had much earlier denounced the Book of Revelation, as being “without sense or reason, a forgery by Cerinthus.”

Bishop Eusibius had confirmed Dionysius’ findings: “But Cerinthus, by means of a revelation which he pretended was written by a great man, falsely pretended to wonderful things.”

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The original author of the Book of Revelation,the Cumaean Sibyl, though, was always highly regarded as a clairvoyant by the Roman Catholic church. Even today, she can still be seen, magnificently portrayed by Michelangelo,in a prime central position among the great patriarchs of the Bible stories depicted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, in the Vatican itself. A total of 278 verses of the Sibyl’s predictions are also found in the books of Exodus, Psalms, Isiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Zecheriah, indicating the high value placed on her forecasts by Old Testament authors. The Sibylline books were lost to history for many centuries, until the second book was discovered in the Vatican archives, some decades ago, by Edmond Szekely.

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An Old Slavonic version was also found, in the the Habsburg Royal Library,and translated by Prof. Karl Fickler & Dr. Burgie Johansson.

Notes: 1.Society in Imperial Rome;

M. Massey, 1982, pg 103

2. Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol XIII;

1912, pg 720

3.Titus Livy (Livius),

also The Records of Rome, 1868,

available in the British Library

4. Pliny

5. Annals of Tacitus

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6. Dictionary of Greek & Roman Antiquities

Sibyllini Libra

7. Encyclopedia of the Roman Empire;

Matthew Brunson; 1994, pg 584.

8. Funk & Wagnell’s New Standard Dictionary;

Sibylline Books, 1913.

9.Ecclesiastical History,

Eusebius, ii.10.Funk & Wagnall’s

New Standard Dictionary;

Sibylline Books; also

Encyclopedia of the Roman Empire;

Matthew Brunson; 1994, pg 396.

11.Ecclesiastical History, iii,28

Also

Catholic Encyclopedia.

Vol I (1907) pg 595.

12. Szekely’s discoveries were subsequently published in book form during various periods, under the following names:

The Essene Gospel of Peace, The Unknown Book of the Essenes, Lost Scrolls of the Essene Brotherhood,

and

Teachings of the Elect. Discovery of the Essene Gospel of Peace,

published posthumously in 1989, gives the history of Edmund Szekely’s work, and the story of his discoveries in the Secret Vatican Archives.

The above information has been summarised from material found in ‘The Crucifixion of Truth,’ by Tony Bushby, (Joshua Books,’04). Here, then, is the rediscovered sacred Sibylline book,in a version closely following the Fickler/Johansson translation of the Habsburg library’s Old Slavonic text, but put into contemporary language and layout, and with Roman copyists’ gender distortions corrected, so as to restore the conceptual integrity of the original work. Thus, for example, ‘brotherhood’ is rendered as ‘community’, ‘the Mother of All’ replaces ‘the Son of Man’, so as to return to Isis Her rightful place, and the Sibyl herself is addressed as ‘Woman.’ rather than ‘Man.’

This rendering of the text is copyright registered with the IP Rights Office Copyright Registration Service,Ref: 278933020. All Rights Reserved. The complete work, without alteration, additions or deletions, exactly as it is here, including the introduction and footnotes, may be copied, forwarded, and shared, for the benefit of all. It may not, however, be broadcast, published dramatised, or otherwise used for profit, in whole or in part, without prior written consent.

Numbers in the left margin below refer to the verses in the biblical book of Revelation which correspond to, having been constructed around, these passages.




                                             The Mysteries of Isis and Osiris

1:7 Behold, the Spirit of the Air shall bring Her, and every eye shall see Her. The Community, all the vast Community of the living, shall raise their voices as one, and sing, because of Her. Even so, Amen. 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, which was, and is, and shall be.” 1:12 A voice spoke, and I turned to see who it was that spoke to me. Turning, I saw seven golden candles, and, in the midst of their blazing light, one who seemed to be the Mother of All, clothed in white, white as snow. Her voice filled the air with the sound of rushing water, and in Her hands were seven stars, full of the flaming light of the heavens from whence they came. She spoke, Her face streaming light, blazing and golden, like a thousand suns. 1:17 She said, “Have no fear. I am the first, and the last. I am the beginning, and the end. 1:19 Write the things which you have seen, the things which are, which are yet to be, the mystery of the seven stars which fill My hands, and the seven golden candles, blazing with eternal light. The seven stars are the Spirits of your father, the Sun, and the seven candles are the Spirits of your mother, the Earth. The Spirit of humanity is a flame, streaming between starlight and glowing candle, a bridge of holy light, shining between the heavens and the Earth.” 1:20 She who said these things holds the seven stars in Her hands. She walks in the midst of the flames of seven golden candles. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear the words of Mother Isis. “To whoever overcomes, I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, that stands in the midst of the shining paradise of Eternity.” 4:1 Then I looked, and behold, a door was opened in the heavens, and a voice which sounded from all sides, like a trumpet, spoke to me,“Come up here,and I will show you what must be, in the future.” Immediately I was there, in spirit, at the threshold of an open door. I entered through the open door, into a sea of blazing light. In the midst of that blinding ocean of radiance was a throne, on which sat one whose face was hidden, and there was a rainbow about that emerald-like throne. Around the throne were thirteen seats, and upon these seats I saw thirteen elders sitting, clothed in white, their faces hidden by swirling clouds of light.

Seven lamps burned before the throne, the fire of our mother, the Earth, Seven stars shone before the throne, the fire of our father, the Sun. Before the throne was a sea of glass-like crystal, and reflected in it were all the mountains, and valleys and oceans of the Earth, and all the creatures living there. The thirteen elders bowed down before the splendour of the one who sat on the throne, whose face was hidden. Rivers of light streamed from their hands, one to the other, as they cried, ‘Holy, Holy, Holy, Mother of all Glory, Who was, and is, and is to come. You are worthy, O Great One, of glory, honour and power, for You created all that is.’ 5:1 Then I saw, in the right hand of the one who sat on the throne, whose face was hidden, a book, written within, and sealed with seven seals. I saw a Spirit, who was proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the book, to loose its seals?” 5:3 No-one in Heaven, on the Earth, or under the Earth was able to open the book, or even to look upon it. I wept, because the book could not be opened, and I could not read what was written there. One of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Reach out your hand, and take the book, yes, this very book with seven seals. Open it, for it was written for you, - at once the lowest of the low, and the highest of the high.” I reached out my hand, touching the book.

Behold ! The cover was lifted, my hands touched the golden pages, my eyes beheld the mystery of the seven seals. I heard the voices of many Spirits round about the throne, ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands upon thousands, singing with a loud voice, “All glory, and wisdom, and strength and power, for ever and ever, be to the one who shall reveal the Mystery of Mysteries.” I saw swirling clouds of golden light, stretching like a fiery bridge between my hands, the hands of the thirteen elders, and the feet of the one who sat on the throne,whose face was hidden. I opened the first seal, and beheld the Spirit of the Air. Between her lips flowed the breath of life. She bowed over the Earth, and gave to man the inspiration of Wisdom. Man breathed in. When he breathed out, the sky darkened, the sweet air became foul and fetid, and clouds of evil smoke hung low over all the Earth. I turned my face away in shame. 6:3 I opened the second seal, and beheld the Spirit of Water. Between her lips flowed the water of life She bowed over the Earth, and gave to man an ocean of Love.

Man entered the clear and shining waters.When he touched the water, the clear streams darkened, the crystal waters became thick with slime, the fish lay gasping in the foul blackness, and all creatures died of thirst. I turned my face away in shame. 6:5 I opened the third seal, and beheld the Spirit of Fire.Between her lips flowed the light of life. She bowed over the Earth, and gave to man the fires of Power. The strength of the Sun entered into the heart of man. He took the power, and made with it a false sun. He spread abroad the fires of destruction, burning the forests, laying waste the green valleys, leaving only the charred bones of his brothers. I turned my face away in shame. 6:7 I opened the fourth seal, and beheld the Spirit of Joy. Between her lips flowed the music of life. Bowing over the Earth, She gave to man the song of Peace, and peace and joy, like music, flowed through the soul of man. He heard nothing but the harsh discord of sadness and discontent. He lifted his sword, and cut off the hands of the peacemakers, lifted it once again, and cut off the heads of the singers. I turned my face away in shame. 6:9 I opened the fifth seal, and beheld the Spirit of Life. Between her lips flowed the covenant between all that lives and humanity. She bowed over the Earth and gave to man the gift of Creation.

The forests and trees were burnt up, and all green grass shriveled to cinders. 8:8 The second Spirit sounded, and, as it were, a great mountain, burning with fire, was cast into the sea. Blood rose from the Earth as a vapour. 8:10 The third Spirit sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning as if it were a lamp. It fell upon the rivers and fountains, turning them to bitter poison. 8:12 The fourth Spirit sounded, and there was a great earthquake. The Sun turned black, a sackcloth of hair, and the Moon became as blood. 9:1 The fifth Spirit sounded, and the stars of heaven fell to earth, even as a fig tree casts her unripe figs, when shaken by a mighty wind. 9:13 The sixth Spirit sounded - the heavens departed like a rolled up scroll. Over the whole Earth there was not one tree, one flower, one blade of grass. I stood on the Earth, and my feet sank into the soil, soft and thick with blood, stretching as far as the eye could see. Over all the Earth was silence. 10:1 The seventh Spirit sounded, and I saw a mighty being come down from the heavens, clothed with a cloud. A rainbow was upon his head, his face was like the sun, his feet pillars of fire. In his hand was an open book.

He set his right foot upon the sea, and he set his left foot on the earth,crying with a loud voice, wonderous to hear, “Woman, would you have this vision come to pass ?” I answered, “You know, O Holy One, that I would do anything that these terrible things might not happen.” He spoke, “Man has created these powers of destruction. He has brought them into being from his own mind. He has turned his face away from the Spirits of his Father Sun and his Mother Earth - he has fashioned his own destruction.” I asked, “Then is there no hope, bright Spirit ?”A blazing light streamed like a river from his hands, as he answered, “There is always hope, O you for whom Heaven and Earth were created,” 10:5 The Spirit, standing on the sea and on the earth, lifted up his hand to the heavens. He swore by the One who lives for ever, who created the Heavens, all that is in them, the Earth, all within her, the sea, and all it contains, that there should be time no longer, but that, in the days of the voice of the seventh Spirit,when he shall begin to sound, the Mystery of absolute unity should be revealed to those who have eaten of the Tree of Life, which stands forever, in the Eternal Sea.The voice spoke again, saying, “Go, take the book, which is open in the hands of the Spirit who stands on the sea and on the earth.”
There fell upon men a great hail out of the heavens, every stone about the weight of a gold talent. A mighty Spirit took up a stone, like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, “Thus, with violence, shall the great city be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. The voice of harps, and musicians, and pipers, and of singers and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in you. No craftsman, whatever his craft, shall be found any more in you. The sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in you. The light of a candle shall shine no more in you. The voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard no more at all in you. For your merchants were the great men of the Earth. By your sorceries all men were deceived.In you was found the blood of prophets, saints, and of all who were slain upon the Earth.” My brothers laid hold of my hand, struggled out of the slimy pit, and stood, bewildered, on the sand. The skies opened, washing their naked bodies with rain. I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder. I heard the music of a great many harps,singing, as it were, a new song before the throne. 14:6 I saw a Spirit flying in heaven, having songs of day and night, the everlasting teaching to preach to them that dwell on the Earth,
until they climb from the pit of slime, and stand, naked, and washed by the rain, before the throne. The Spirit cried, “Fear the Almighty, and give glory to the Absolute, for the hour of judgement is come. Worship the Mother of the heavens and the earth, the sea, and the fountains of the waters”. 19:11 I saw the heavens open, and beheld a white horse. He that rode him is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns. He was cloaked in blazing light, and his feet were bare. His name is the Word of Truth. The Holy Community followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. They entered the Eternal Garden, in whose midst is the Tree of Life. The rain-washed, naked throngs came before them, trembling, to receive their judgement. Their sins were many, for they had defiled the Earth, destroyed the creatures of land and sea, poisoned the ground, fouled the waters and the air, and buried alive the mother who had given them birth. But I did not see what befell them, for my vision changed.
21:1 I saw a new Heaven, and a new Earth, for the first Heaven and the first Earth were passed away. I saw the Holy House of the Community of Life coming down, out of the Heavens, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, “Lo, the mountain of your Father is established above all mountains,and the house of your Mother is exalted above the hills. All people shall flow into it. Come, let us go up the mountain, and to the house of your Mother. You shall walk in his paths, she shall teach you of her ways. The Way shall go forth, out of the Holy Congregation. Behold, Heaven’s House is here with you. He himself shall dwell with you, and you shall be his people. She herself shall be with you, and you shall be her children. She shall wipe away all tears from your eyes. There shall be no more fear of death, neither sorrow nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away. Those who made war shall beat their swords into ploughshares, their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war anymore, for the former things are passed away.” 22:13 The voice spoke again, “Behold, I make all things new. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give freely to the one who is athirst, of the fountain of the water of life.

Whoever overcomes shall inherit all things - I shall be your parent, and you My child. But the fearful and unbelieving,the abominable, murderers and liars, shall dig their own pit, burning with fire and brimstone.” Again my vision changed. I heard the voices of the Holy Community, raised in song, saying, “Come, let us walk in the light of the Way”. I saw the Holy House, and all of the people streaming into her. This house needs no sun, nor moon to shine upon her, for divine glory illumines her. I saw the pure, crystal clear river of the Water of Life, flowing from the throne of the Source of all that is. In the river stands the Tree of Life, bearing fourteen different kinds of fruit, and yielding her fruit to those who would eat of it. The leaves of the Tree are for the healing of the people. There is no night there, they need no candle, nor the light of the sun, for the Almighty gives them light, and they shall live for ever and ever. I have reached the inner vision, and by the grace of Your spirit within me, I have heard Your wondrous secret. Through Your mystic insight
You have caused a spring of knowledge to well up within me – a fountain of power, pouring forth living waters, a flood of love, and of all-embracing wisdom, like the splendour of Eternal Light.

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Also a reffutal is needed for thisOne is impressed by the reported inability of the Muslims to make replies to the Christian charges, whereas they certainly could have done so, if they had known certain passages in the Qur'an. For example, in sura 6 alone we find that the preaching of Muhammad was not accepted without protest (verse 37), that there were demands for proof (109), that there were charges of falsehood (66) that proofs were cited (104), that there were Jews who accepted Muhammad (20). As it is, the Muslims are simply nonplussed and brow-beaten by the intelligence and astuteness of the Christians. On the other hand, the Christian replies are on the tu quoque order. The Christians speak as though putting to rout ignorant people, on a lower level of culture. There is no serious religious discussion, no attempt to present Christian faith, no thoughtful consideration of Islam. Let it not pass unnoticed, also, that the Christians are as unaware as the Muslims of the Quranic passages which the Muslims might have brought forward.

John of Damascus goes on to inform us about the Book of the Muslims. It contains chapters, each with a title. He makes reference to four.

The chapter "Concerning the Women" (sura 4) legalizes polygamy: four wives, and female slaves in addition (4:3). Divorce is authorized at will, and then further marriages (2:229). The story is recited of Zaid, who had a beautiful wife, of how the prophet made him divorce her and then married her himself, asserting a command of God as the reason. If a man after divorcing his wife wants to take her back, she must first be married first to another man: it may be to the man's own brother, if he is willing. In the Book he tells, "Till the ground which God has given to you, and beautify it" (cf. 2:223), "not to say as he does things altogether shameful."

The chapter "Concerning the Camel of God" tells of a camel from God that drank up a whole river, and then could not pass between two mountains for lack of room. The camel and the people of the place were to have drunk the water of the river on alternate days. However, after the camel had drunk up the water, the camel fed the people with milk instead. Some evil men killed the camel. Now the camel had a foal, and when the mother was killed, the little camel cried to God, and God took her up to Himself. About this story the Christians say to the Muslims, "Where did that foal come from?" "From God," they reply. "Was there not a sire?" They say, "No," "Then how was it born?" "We see your foal without sire, mother, or pedigree; also after the foal was born the mother camel was killed, but nothing appears about someone who had mated her; and the foal was taken up! You say God spoke to your prophet. Why did not your prophet find out about the foal - who fed it, milked it, took the milk? Was it, too, killed by evil men, or did it enter Paradise as your forerunner? Is the river of milk that you foolishly talk about from this foal? For you tell of three rivers in Paradise - of water, of wine, and of milk. If the foal is outside Paradise, it must have died, or else someone now has its milk. And if the foal is in Paradise, it will drink up the water there, and you will have none. Then, if you would drink wine instead, there will be no water to mix with the wine, and drinking unmixed wine you will become drunken and go to sleep, and so you will miss the pleasures of Paradise! How is it that your prophet did not think of these matters, or that you did not ask him to tell you about the three rivers? John of Damascus ends with further ridicule of the story, and bitter reviling of those who believe such Stories, "brutish as you are."

The chapter "Concerning the Table" (sura 5) says that Christ asked a "Table" from God, and it was granted to him, God saying, "I have given you and yours an incorruptible table" (cf. 5:112-155). As for the quotation, it is quite incomplete, and the reference should be consulted. The passage concerns the Eucharist. It is not at once clear whether the intention here is a simple statement of fact, or whether attention is being drawn to another example of absurd notions in the Book, as though a meal of imperishable foods were sent down from heaven!

In the chapter "Concerning a Heifer" (sura 2) "he says many other things, foolish and ridiculous, but are so many, they may be omitted, they are so many," says the author.

The Tractate closes with mention of some Muslim regulations. Men and women are to be circumcised; Muslims are not to keep the Sabbath; they are not to be baptized: some things forbidden by the Mosaic Law are to be eaten by them, and others not (2:178/167, 173/168); no wine is to be drunk (5:90/92). With or without Quranic documentation, these would be customs well known to the Christians from Muslim practice. Circumcision and prohibition of baptism cannot be documented from the Qur'an. Prohibition of observance of the Sabbath is inferential only (cf. 16:124/125; 62:9). One cannot but note the tendency in this description of the Qur'an to discredit everything Muslim. It is as though the author had formed an unfavorable opinion in advance, and now brought exhibits in proof.

As to this material many things must be said. Matters that can be documented from the Qur'an have been indicated already.

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s said that till the time of Heraclius (610-41) these people "served idols openly," and "worshipped the morning star and Aphrodite." Paganism was outlawed by Theodosius I (390). People still practised pagan rites openly must have lived outside the empire, as indeed the Arabs south of the border did. That these Arabs worshipped idols is correct, as is the worship of the morning star, i.e., of al-Uzza (53:19, 20). But in this Quranic Passage al-Lat and Manat are mentioned also; Djibt and Thagout are spoken of in 4:51/54, and Thagout repeatedly (5:257/258; 5:60/65; 4:60/63; 4:76/78). One wonders at the mention of "the morning star and Aphrodite." The morning star was Venus-Aphrodite. In another place our author says that the Stone of Abraham at Mecca bears a likeness of Aphrodite. There was once at al-Hirah in Iraq an image of gold of Venus, which was worshipped by the Arabs, and was destroyed when their king accepted Christianity. Many Arab tribesmen who worshipped Venus were converted to Christianity under the preaching of St. Simeon Stylites, whose pillar was not far front Antioch. Does the author have in mind a star-worship, and also a goddess-worship once prevalent among the Arabs of Syria?

Aphrodite is called khabar "in their own tongue" we are told, "which signifies 'great.'" This is, of course, the Arabic adjective. Whether merely adjectival use or use as a proper name is to be understood is not clear

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e world) are a certainty.

The second issue which gives us evidence that Muhammad did not split the moon (with his index fingers) is that the Quran gives us clear evidence that Muhammad did not have any personal miracles. In 17:90-93 God tells us how the disbelievers went to Muhammad and asked him to produce any miracle to prove to them that he is a genuine messenger, but God commanded Muhammad to just say that he is no more than a human being who was given a message from God, or in other words he does not have any personal miracles to show them:

17:90 They said, "We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground.

17:91 Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it.

17:92 Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring God and the angels before our eyes.

17:93 Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read." Say, "Glory be to my Lord. Am I any more than an ordinary human and a messenger?"

The same assurance, that Muhammad did not have any miracles, is given in the following verses:

10:20 “They say, "How come no miracle came down to him (Muhammad) from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to God; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."”
6:37 They said, "If only a miracle could come down to him (Muhammad) from his Lord!" Say, "God is able to send down a sign, but most of them do not know."”



God told us in the Quran about the miracles of many previous messengers like those of Moses (9 miracles), Jesus (e.g. raising the dead), Abraham (the birds which he split and placed on hill tops) and others. It would make no sense whatsoever for God to give personal miracles to Muhammad then keep them a secret from us, and instead tell us that Muhammad had no personal miracles

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Some Christian argue that this verse in the Quran indicates that Allah is satan because he fooled them into5thinking Jesus was crucified

 ..they [the Jews] said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ - But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not - Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself.”

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They are lying, the amount of radiation produced by the router was in extremely high amounts that is dangerous to living humans. They do it deliberately so we suffer from cancer which allows the pharmaceutical industry to gain a huge profit.

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the guy in the video used a radiation measuring meter and detected dangerous levels of radiation that is actually harmful to our health.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Muslim shriners?
« on: May 29, 2016, 03:48:09 AM »

whatsup?
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36
June 06, 2009
Shriners and Freemasonry
Luther Burbank (1849-1926)

Horticultuist and naturalist, Luther Burbank moved to Santa Rosa, California, in 1875 where he established Burbank's Experimental Farms. He was raised in Santa Rosa Lodge No. 57 on August 13, 1921 and coroneted an honorary 33 degree Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (AASR) (SJ) on October 20, 1925. Burbank died the following year on April 11th. source

WARNING TO THE CHRISTIAN
Since Freemasonry has attempted so strenuously to claim that they are just a "good ole boy" fraternity that does good works and has a good time, most people will be shocked to learn the bitter truth behind that facade. An insidious by product is to keep husbands and wives out of churches & away from the Truth.

Satan does not need to receive worship to achieve his goals. All he has to do is to keep a man from following Jesus. Satan knows that anyone who does not follow in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ does not have God. (2 John 9) Freemasonry teaches that due-paying Freemasonry alone is one's guarantee for Heaven without any intervention needed by Jesus Christ which is a satanic lie.

Freemasonry is a hidden fraternal order and defined by them as a system of morality. The first three steps are the Blue Lodge. The first degree is called Entered Apprentice. The second degree is called Fellow Craft. The Third degree is called Master Mason. Most men only go to the third degree, but if one chooses, he may advance either through the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite has thirty-two degrees. In each degree, the Mason pledges himself to a different Egyptian deity.

THE SHRINER
There is a thirty-third degree that is largely honorary, but the thirty-two degree give you access to becoming a Shriner. As a Shriner you will pledge yourself to the pagan "god" Allah who lies that Jesus did not even die on a cross and that God has no Son. This pagan 'Allah' never once shows that it knows the real name of God (Jesus/Yeshua/Yahweh/I am).

Most Shriners are decent guys who do bow to the pagan Islamic Allah. The Shriner is given a red fez with an Islamic sword and crescent jewel on the front of it. This sword emblem originates from 7th century Arabia when the Moslems, under the leadership of Muhammad (aka: Mohammed), slaughtered all Christians and Jews who would not bow down to the pagan moon god Allah. It is a symbol of subjugation. The Shriners appear to have begun innocently enough; except for their link to and allegiance to the pagan moon god (note the crescent emblem) Allah.

The Illustrious Grand High Priest swears in new members who put their hands on a copy of the Muslim Koran. Can we imagine a Christian preacher swearing off the God of Israel by embracing the pagan Allah? They do. The initiate swears a long oath that culminates in a typical Masonic vow of secrecy unto death which includes an oat to Allah.

Shriners obligate themselves by making unholy oaths such as allowing the piercing of their eyeballs with a three-edged blade, and the flaying of their feet if they should reveal their Shriner "secrets" which are all nonsense and inconsequential to begin with. Shriners worship the false god Allah as the god of "our" fathers.

An Actor, William Florence, and a juggler and magician, Dr. Walter M. Fleming, began the Shriners in the early 1870's. Doctor Fleming devised the rituals, intended as a parody of Islam. He died in 1913 and left his family penniless, having spent all of his money to gain Masonic medals and decrees.

THE FEZ
The Masonic Shriners wear a red hat known as a Fez named after a town in Morocco, where in 980 AD, 50,000 Christians, including women and children, were brutally murdered by the Muslims. As the streets ran red with the Christians’ blood from the massacre, the Muslims dipped their hats in that blood as a testimony to Allah. The red Fez symbolizes the slaughter of Christians in that town. The Masons still wear the red Fez adorned with the Islamic crescent symbol.

There are Christians, all over the world, who even today, suffer greatly and some have even given up their lives because they refuse to compromise their faith in Christ. And yet, professing Christians who are involved in the highest ranks of Freemasonry (Shriners) honor the persecution of Christians. A Shriner honors Islam and its symbols.

A Shriner traditionally prays by facing toward Mecca, and he must make a blood oath of allegiance to the pagan Allah as his god and to Mohammed, who cringed at even the sight of a cross, as his prophet. Remember Christians: Allah is that non-existent god of Islam who does not acknowledge Jesus as his Son, and he doesn't acknowledge the work Jesus did on the cross.
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John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Cathy Palmer at 12:53 AM

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Anonymous6/6/09, 2:48 AM
Yes,even the first three degrees should alert Christians to the antichrist nature of jr.Illuminism called Freemasonry.Coming to the lodge in darkness seeking the light[Lucifer].Secret fraternity.Jesus did nothing in secret nor are we to do so.Both Islam and Judaism are base religions for western esoteric orders.That's something many people do not know.In fact most people think Judaism is an OT religion tied to Christianity.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:01 PM
Scottish Rite Freemason Albert Pike,through demonic automatic writng blueprinted the three world wars in 1871. http://www.threeworldwars.com/index.html Islam vs.cabalistic Zionism was the plan for the third world war.,That is shaping up as we speak.About ten years ago I went over my LTN newsletters and found the same exposition in Revelation by Meyer.Throughout the 1990s I went over all the dispensationalist teachings and always had a problem with the pretrib position,but thought the prewrath was biblical.None og it is.The prewrath is close to what the Armageddon Script is,but it isn't biblical.Everyuthing is twisted by the pop-prophecy gurus.But the teachings are so entrenched in the West that to call out these false teachings brings derision and scorn.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:15 PM
Actually,the pretrib position is identical to the Armageddon Script,but the prewrath will delude those that see the chaos taking place and people disappearing into Fema Camps and whatnot and know this is man and Satan's wrath,and not God's wrath.When God's wrath is unleashed it is over in an hour,the catching up,misconstrued and taught as the rapture,will take place prior to that point in time.The plan is so diablolically genious that it is hard to believe.But if you read the writings of the occultists and original new agers called Theosophists it all fits together.And that's what I mean by an Armageddon Script.It isn't laid out in any article per se.In fact it is only mention by Fritz Springmeir in the Christian world as far as I know.Ciumby's book "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" and Texe's copycat books on the new age movement is where you can piece it all together,without actually wasting money on those people's books.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:18 PM
Fritz has an article on it but it isn't really in depth.--- http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/articles/plot.htm

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Gort6/6/09, 6:34 PM
Cathy,you don't have an open thread so I'll post more links for you here.A disbelief in the premill Disp position does not mean one is a preterist or partial preterist as Kelly claims[and that will be the last time I refer to her so you know].We are seeing similitudes of prophecies being fulfilled over and over as well as the few to take place for the first time in these Last Days.A link on Amillenialism is here,just for reference-- http://home.flash.net/~thinkman/articles/amill.htm Many people have aproblem with it as the false Roman Church adheres to it,and they mistakenly think that it also means one has an aleegorical hermeneutic with Scripture.Not true!

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Gort6/6/09, 6:37 PM
Cathy,here's the You Tube channel of the young guy that records Meyer's sermons each week.-- http://www.youtube.com/user/fiestien Google changed its' policies.He used to upload entire videos--- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6054696301896752957&ei=o_0qSs_yLYz8rgLWhMG6Cg&q=Profile+of+an+Antichrist&hl=en

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Gort6/6/09, 6:40 PM
Cathy,listen to the Scofield series audio here-- http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/ And if you want to chat or listen,you can use paltalk express without downloading program permanently.It just loads each time you go there.You have to register for free,and then you can chat in real time in the open or PM someone in priivate.The room is called Last Trumpet Ministries Outpost.--- http://express.paltalk.com/

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Gort6/6/09, 6:42 PM
Cathy,this NAU site is dated but still good--- http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/ Verichip--- http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/verichip-implant/

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Gort6/6/09, 6:46 PM
Cathy,if you have time,you could post an open thread and tell us a little about you and where you are from,and share a few links.I'll leave links there.Else,I'll wait for you to post another blog.Time is short. NWO quotes : http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/quotes_on_the_new_world_order.htm p.s.I was going to give a couple of links on Fema Camps but the best ones are down.Figures.That has gone mainstrewam so cyber attacks are expected.The best sites were up for years with maps.

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Cathy6/6/09, 8:07 PM
Gort, here is a short video in which I tell a bit about myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

cheers!
Cathy

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Gort6/6/09, 8:55 PM
The link didn't work but I found it.Here's-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CG2fvv2-s

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Anonymous6/6/09, 9:06 PM
BHO-Pharoah-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTsxARCpTLw

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Anonymous10/23/09, 7:16 AM
WOW!! Conspiracy theories in full effect. I am a Freemason in South Florida and can attest first hand that the organization is not a "cult" or anti-Christian in any way. To become a Freemason all you have to do is ask one- not really that difficult. Ask Freemasons in your area about learning more about the organization. Open your minds and look for facts, not fiction.
To say that Freemasonry is somehow the work of Satan is to then believe that men such as Mozart, George Washington, Ben Franklin, etc, all the way to Louis Armstrong as Scottie Pippen are all involved in some massive conspiracy theory that cuts accross all racial and religious lines and that has gone one for centuries (since all of the men I mentioned were Masons).
Also, you don't need to be a 33 degree Mason to become a Shriner.
Stop living in fear and reach out to the Masonic members in your communities. That should be the first step to understanding if you are truly going to be honest about the subject.

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Anonymous7/16/15, 8:52 PM
If it is not anti-Christian, then what does the "G" stand for in your symbolism? It is geometric, it is pagan. It is non-Christian, as members do not believe in one God, as known in the Bible; the members believe in Allah, and/or others, which are numerous.

As for "living in fear" of Masonic members, a person who believes in the one and only God, the one taught in the Holy Bible, will NOT be afraid of a Mason. Rather, we pray for them, that they turn their hearts and lives over to God, so that were may see these Masons in heaven upon our arrival.

Have a blessed day; may God work in your life and consume you with His love.

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Anonymous1/8/10, 9:04 AM
first of all iam a muslim. and th statement you made about the name of Allah being a pagan deity is absolutely absurd. Allah has no partners muslims dont worship any pagan (god) we believe that he is one and he didn't have a son but, we do believe that jesus existed as for christians you believe that jesus was the son of god and god at the same time no where in the bible dose jesus say he is god. the muslims believe that there is no god but allah and Muhammad is his last messenger we belive in all the prophets sent by Allah. whe dont deny any of them before you speak about Alla most high you need to have your facts straight. further more the word god comes from ancient rome they had more pagan gods than i can count and the name jesus is also ancient greek there are no j's in the semetic languages the proper way to spell it would be Isa. Jesus spoke aramaic not greek or hebrew you should be ashamed of yourself for speaking without the proper knowledge and disrespecting the Islamic culture. (Hussain)

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Cathy1/8/10, 11:20 AM
Friend, you say to me, "you believe that jesus was the son of god and god at the same time no where in the bible dose jesus say he is god."

Let me give you a few Bible scriptures to disprove your statement and prove that yes, Jesus Christ is God:

1.John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
A.John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

2.John 5:18 - "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

3.John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

4.John 8:58 - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
A.Exodus 3:14 - "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

5.John 10:30-33 - "I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

6.John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."

7.Col. 1:15-17 - "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

8.Col. 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

9.Phil. 2:5-8 - "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

10.Heb. 1:8 - "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
A.Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre."

YES! Jesus Christ IS God. But this did not become a reality to me until I got on my knees alone at home and put my faith in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.

Here is a short video of me telling my story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

And here's one more from the prophet Isaiah 9:6,7 - " 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

May the Truth be revealed, may the lies be exposed, may the deceived wakeup, may the sinner repent, may the lost get saved and may the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified I pray.

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Anonymous6/21/10, 9:54 AM
frist of all muslims do not worship a pagans god. that is what prophet muhammand(pbuh) fought against.Allah means god in arabic,we muslims beleive in one god ,jesus is not god he was a prophet of god ,his son in spirt you chistian have to understand everyone is not going to live like you all. the bible his translated wrong over and over again lot of things his been omitted flipped just to make is sound good

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Anonymous7/8/11, 2:03 PM
Hi,

I am a Muslim woman and I'm stunned that in the 21th Century people believe that Allah is a pagan God. I am not a pagan, I do not worship a man, I worship God,nor do I worship 3 gods, I believe in the same God that the Jews worship. I believe in all the blessed prophets God sent to spred his message to mankind. That being said this includes the belief in His Books; the Torah, The Bible, The Koran, The Psalms, and the Scrolls of Moses, We believe in His Angels, the Day of Judgement. We believe that no one gets a 'free pass' to heaven but people will be judged on their deeds, actions and intentions. God is truly the All-Just and Wise.

In islam we are taught not to worship man, but to worship God-Himself, the One and Only.
We do not worship Christ for he was a man sent by God to deliver a message to the Jews to come back worshipping God and leave behind the material life of this world. Muhammad to us is our final prophet sent by God. He is the last of the prophets and Messengers.

Please, I encourage people to educate yourself and not propogate lies and untruths for God does not like liars and the ignorant.
Please ask yourselves why would God die if He is the Eternal.

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Anonymous1/9/14, 10:31 AM
What if Mohammed wwas not the last prophet and there is one among us now?

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Anonymous9/11/14, 8:18 PM
Freemasons have apharoh on thier rings shriners clearly worship allah and the god of ot forbade human sacrifice. SO why would he kill his own son i know the bible forward and backward filled with contradictions so i got out of the church money clowns first chap of genesis gives man dominion so the truth is what muslims circle black box jews wear black box on foreheads same god as for my understanding jesus isa yeshua ect who knows the truth no one so i have faith in a father a creator that's all i can do that's it folks

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Your wrong, Baphomet is an Old French corruption of the name Muhammad which is connected to the knight Templars which are connected to the Freemasons who in turn serve Allah who is the god of Islam.
All you got to do is look it up.
https://www.google.com/search?q=shriners+islam&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRtKSP-7bMAhUrCsAKHWbTAA4Q_AUICCgC&biw=828&bih=509#imgrc=rvRr8oy8xt-OZM%3A

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Saudi Royal families are in reality crypto Jews and the wiki leaks proved their connection with Israel, they go visit the west and dine with roayla families who are also genocidal maniacs reponsible for the dissoloution of the Middle East.Not to mention the templar crosses the Suadi royal family were wearing on their visit. Also the Saudi princes go to London to commit acts of homosexuality whilst they behead homosexuals in Arabia. They also silence anyone in Arabaia that criticises their actions and have harsh laws against the people.SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY ARE PIGS PUT IN POWER BYA  BRITISH AGENT CALLED LAWRENCE OF ARABIA WHO HELPED DESTROY THE TURKISH CALIPHATE AND INDUCE RACE WARS. THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS...PERIOD.

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Bashar Al Assad aint killing any sunnis, thats a western media fabricated lie. The reality is most people who support him are the majority sunni muslims.USA,Israel and the west are funding ISIS to distablisie Middle East and kill Muslims in order to create the greater state of Israel. The leader of ISIS real name is Simon elliot an Israeli mossad agent, Even wounded ISIS soldiers get treated in Tel Aviv.

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