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More details on the LIE and FRAUD called the Torah (Bible) Codes

 

 

Let us look at one of my earlier articles

 

The Bible (Torah) Codes are CLEARLY FAKE

 

By: Anonymous Muslim
(He is a new convert to Islam)

 

 

 

 

1)  Let’s get right to the HARD proof:  ALL this part

“(From this POINT till end of the quote ALL FROM:  http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html). 

Assassinations Foretold in Moby Dick!

The following challenge was made by Michael Drosnin:

When my critics find a message about the assassination of a prime minister encrypted in Moby Dick, I'll believe them.
(Newsweek, Jun 9, 1997)

Note that English with the vowels included is far less flexible than Hebrew when it comes to making letters into words. Nevertheless, without further ado, we present our answer to Mr Drosnin's challenge.

Prime Minister Indira Gandhi

President Rene Moawad

Soviet exile Leon Trotsky

The Reverend Martin Luther King


(The underlined words were found by Shannon Kohl)

Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss

The assassin Sirhan Sirhan

John F. Kennedy

President John F. Kennedy was shot in the head by an assassin who quietly waited in a concealed place. It was in Texas, November 1963, during a presidential motorcade.

Abraham Lincoln

President Abraham Lincoln was shot dead on April 14, 1865.

Yitzhak Rabin

Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was shot dead on November 4, 1995. His assassin was Igal Amir, who fired three shots of which one hit Rabin fatally in the chest. Amir was a student at Bar-Ilan University, and associated with an underground group Eyal which modelled itself on a historical terrorist group called Lehi. Amir was angered by Rabin's role in the "Peace Process" and especially by the Oslo accords.

The text

You can verify the above messages, and find your own, using the public-domain text of Moby Dick. It can be downloaded as a gzipped text file (478KB, expanding to 1187KB).

Some more information about the pictures can be found here.

Princess Diana's death

The death of Lady Diana was also predicted by Moby Dick. See the Princess Di page for details.

A note to the credulous

It has come to my attention that some people have taken this page as claiming that Moby Dick really predicted the assassinations of famous people. Please be assured that none of these patterns happened by other than pure random chance.

No laws of probability are violated here, or even stretched a little. That is also true of Drosnin's book, which is the whole point of this page. Once you learn Drosnin's rules (none) and the method (a bit of messy programming) you can find things like this anywhere. The reason it looks amazing is that the number of possible things to look for, and the number of places to look, is much greater than you imagine.

Back to the Torah Codes page
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Copyright Brendan McKay (1997), bdm@cs.anu.edu.au.”

Again this was ALL From:  http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html). 

 

2)  More Refutations of the Bible (Torah) Codes

The primary objection advanced against Bible codes of the Drosnin variety is that information theory does not prohibit noise from appearing to be sometimes meaningful. Thus, similar patterns can be found in books other than the Bible. Although the probability of an ELS in a random place being a meaningful word is small, there are so many possible starting points and skip patterns that many such words are completely expected to appear.

Responding to an explicit challenge from Drosnin, who claimed that other texts such as Moby Dick could not yield ELS, Australian mathematician Brendan McKay found many ELS letter arrays in Moby Dick that relate to modern events, including the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. He also found a code relating to the Rabin assassination, containing the assassin's first and last name and the university he attended, as well as the motive ("Oslo", relating to the Oslo accords.) [2]

Other people, such as US physicist Dave Thomas, found other examples in many texts. In addition, Drosnin had used the flexibility of Hebrew orthography to his advantage, freely mixing classic (no vowels, Y and W strictly consonant) and modern (Y and W used to indicate i and u vowels) modes, as well as variances in spelling of K and T, to wrench out the desired meaning. In his television series John Safran vs God, Australian television personality John Safran worked successfully with McKay to look for evidence of the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York in the lyrics of Vanilla Ice's repertoire. Additionally, the known coded references in Bible texts, as for instance the famous Number of the Beast, do not use the Bible code technique. And, the influence and consequences of scribal errors (eg, misspellings, additions, deletions, misreadings, ...) are hard to account for in the context of a Bible coded message left secretly in the text.

Code proponents respond by claiming that the ELS letter arrays appearing in the Bible are better in some way than those appearing in other books. They also investigate alternative types of codes and cyphers to stay ahead of criticism. However, in the absence of an objective measure of quality, and an objective way to select test subjects, it is not possible to positively determine whether any particular observation is significant or not. For that reason, most of the serious effort of the skeptics has been focused on the "scientific" claims of Witztum, Rips and Gans.

In 1999, McKay, together with mathematicians Dror Bar-Natan and Gil Kalai, and psychologist Maya Bar-Hillel, published a paper in Statistical Science which they claim provides an adequate refutation of the earlier paper of Witztum and Rips. The paper was reviewed anonomously by four professional Statisticians who found their refutation completely conclusive.

Their main points were:

The data used by Witztum and Rips was a list of rabbi names in Hebrew. The Hebrew language is somewhat flexible as far as name spelling goes, and each rabbi has several different appellations (aliases and nicknames), so special care should be taken as to how to choose the particular names searched for. So their result could be explained by claiming the data was not collected properly. From the paper: "...the data was very far from [being] tightly defined by the rules of their experiment. Rather, there was enormous "wiggle room" available, especially in the choice of names for the famous rabbis".

There is indirect evidence that the data was not, in fact, collected properly; that is, the choice of names and spellings was somehow biased towards those supporting the codes hypothesis.

Attempts at replicating the experiment failed to achieve the same result. From the paper: "A technical problem that gave us some difficulty is that WRR have been unable to provide us with their original computer programs. Neither the two programs distributed by WRR, nor our own independent implementations of the algorithm as described in WRR's papers, consistently produce the exact distances listed [by WRR]".

The McKay paper did not go so far as to accuse Witzum and Rips of falsifying their experiment, instead it argues that the ELS experiment is extraordinarily sensitive to very small changes in the spellings of appellations. This fact, when combined with available wiggle room, was exploited by McKay et al. to duplicate the Genesis result in a Hebrew translation of War and Peace.

There has been a continuing debate on these claims. (See the web pages cited below.)

The experiment of Gans has also received critical attention. Several attempts at replicating it, designed by mathematician Barry Simon, gave negative results. Finally, a committee at the Hebrew University, comprising both code proponents and skeptics, ran two replications using outside experts to compile the data. Both replications failed to find the phenomenon that Gans' original experiment claimed to find.

As of 2003, there are still a few university scientists who see evidence for such hidden messages. The most notable are Eliyahu Rips (see above) and Robert Haralick (an electrical engineer at the City University of New York). However, the overwhelming majority of scientists who have investigated these claims reject them.

ELSs are very sensitive to single-letter insertions. Jeffrey Tigay attacks the notion that there exists a single text in which to search for ELSs by pointing out the long history of scholarship on textual variations in the Hebrew Bible text. The significance of ELSs would seem to diminish in the face of hundreds or perhaps thousands of spelling drifts (often taking the form of letter insertions) in the text over time. There are similar variant readings and scribal distortions in the New Testament.  (From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_codes). 

 

The pagan trintarian christian and jewish LIE of a Code existing in the Bible (Torah) is CLEARLY False All the preceding information PROVES this!

 

 

 

Now let us move on to some new information:

 

Link: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/abulafia.html

 

A quick lesson in Hebrew spelling

It has been determined by McKay, Bar-Natan, Bar-Hillel and Kalai that the flexibility of Hebrew spelling is one of the most likely factors behind the success of the Great Rabbis Experiment published by Witztum, Rips and Rosenberg (WRR).

It is difficult for non-Hebrew speakers to appreciate the full extent of this phenomenon, so a recent coincidental observation of Professor Bar-Natan may help.

One of the famous rabbis used by WRR was Rabbi Haim Abulafia (1660-1744).  There is a synagogue of Rabbi Abulafia in Tiberias.  Here are some photographs of the side of the building and its main entrance.

Abulafia synagogue, Tiberias

The extraordinary thing about this image is that four different spellings of the name "Abulafia" can be seen:

Which of those spellings is correct?  The answer is "all of them".  It is simply a property of the Hebrew language that multiple legal variations abound.

Which of those spellings did WRR use?

Given the wide range of possible spellings to choose from, it is even more instructive to see which of them was used by WRR in their experiment.  Here it is:

In other words, they used none of the above spellings but a completely different one!

WRR's explanation is as follows: they did not choose the spelling themselves, but asked an expert Professor Shlomo Havlin to choose for them.  Havlin later explained his choice as the "original Arabic form of the name".  The only comment we will make on that is to note that Havlin did not see the need to avoid the Hebrew spellings in his own professional writings.  Why just here?

Another puzzle

The large grey sign contains a very brief biography of Rabbi Abulafia.  Amongst other things, it states that he died on the 7th of Nissan.  Turning to WRR's data again, we find the 6th of Nissan.  We don't know if there is any good historical evidence for the 7th, but the lesson here is that even the theoretically objective parts of WRR's data can sometimes be questioned.

Final remarks

None of the spelling variations above make any difference to WRR's experiment. Our purpose was merely to illustrate the issue of spelling flexibility in an entertaining fashion. Such spelling issues were of prime importance in the case of some of the other rabbis, however.

Back to the Torah codes page

Creator: Brendan McKay, bdm@cs.anu.edu.au.

Link again: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/abulafia.html

 

Some good links to view more of the Code nonsense debunked by Mr. Brendan McKay

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/wpmckay.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/candles/

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/Jesus/

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/rosh/

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/comet.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/mobygen.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/drosninII.html

 

Here are some more details regarding Mathematicians, some of whom are Jewish and believe that the Torah is the divinely-inspired word of God, who assert that the Torah (Bible) Codes are NONSENSE and FALSE!

 

Link: http://math.caltech.edu/code/petition.html

 

Mathematicians' Statement on the Bible Codes

We are making this statement concerning what have been called "Bible codes" or "Torah codes". We recognize that many sincere people take this phenomenon seriously, which compels us to speak out on the basis of what our mathematical training tells us about the evidence claimed for this alleged phenomenon.

There is a common belief in the general community to the effect that many mathematicians, statisticians, and other scientists consider the claims to be credible. This belief is incorrect. On the contrary, the almost unanimous opinion of those in the scientific world who have studied the question is that the theory is without foundation. The signatories to this letter have themselves examined the evidence and found it entirely unconvincing.

We refer in particular to the paper Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis, published in Statistical Science in 1994. This experiment suffers from major problems concerning both its execution and the interpretation of its conclusions. Even without these concerns, we would not take such extraordinary claims seriously without a vastly more systematic and thorough investigation. No such investigation has been carried out, nor has the work so far established a prima facie case. In addition, word clusters such as mentioned in Witztum's and Drosnin's books and the so called messianic codes are an uncontrolled phenomenon and similar clusters will be found in any text of similar length. All claims of incredible probabilities for such clusters are bogus, since they are computed contrary to standard rules of probability and statistics.

Among the signatories below are some who believe that the Torah was divinely written. We see no conflict between that belief and the opinion we have expressed above.

Signatures

  1. Robert E. L. Aldred
    Department of Mathematics and Statistics
    University of Otago
    New Zealand
    .
    PhD. Melbourne University, 1987
    raldred@maths.otago.ac.nz
  2. Dror Bar-Natan
    Senior Lecturer in Mathematics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Princeton 1991
    drorbn@math.huji.ac.il
    http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~drorbn
  3. Jay H. Beder
    Associate Professor of Mathematical Sciences
    University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
    Milwaukee, WI, USA.
    PhD, The George Washington University 1981
    beder@uwm.edu
    http://www.uwm.edu/~beder/
  4. Valentina M. Borok
    Emeritus Professor of Mathematics
    Kharkov State University
    Kharkov, Ukraine.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1957
    yazhit@techunix.technion.ac.il
  5. Robert Brooks
    Professor of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Harvard University 1977
    rbrooks@tx.technion.ac.il
  6. Mark Burgin
    Visiting Scholar in Mathematics
    UCLA
    Los Angeles, CA, USA.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1971
    wingfox@ucla.edu
  7. George M. Butler
    Professor of Mathematics
    Louisiana Tech University
    Ruston, LA, USA.
    PhD, Oklahoma State University, 1968
    butler@coes.latech.edu
    http://www.math.latech.edu
  8. Gary A. Chase
    Senior Research Biostatistician
    Henry Ford Health System
    Detroit, MI, USA.
    Adjunct Professor of Biomathematics and Biostatistics
    Georgetown University

    PhD, Johns Hopkins 1970
    gchase1@hfhs.org
  9. E. B. Davies
    Professor of Mathematics
    King's College, University of London
    London, England.
    Fellow of the Royal Society
    D. Phil., University of Oxford 1968
    E.Brian.Davies@kcl.ac.uk
  10. Percy Deift
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Courant Institute, NYU
    New York, NY, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1976
    deift@cims.nyu.edu
  11. Persi Diaconis
    David Duncan Professor of Physical Sciences
    Cornell University
    Ithaca, NY, USA.
    Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Harvard 1974
  12. Laurence S. Freedman
    Professor of Statistics
    Bar Ilan University
    Ramat Gan, Israel.
    freedml@macs.biu.ac.il
  13. Fritz Gesztesy
    L. M. DeFoe Professor of Mathematics
    University of Missouri
    Columbia, MO, USA.
    PhD, University of Graz 1976
    fritz@math.missouri.edu
    http://www.math.missouri.edu/people/faculty/fgesztesypt.html
  14. Sheldon Goldstein
    Professor of Mathematics
    Rutgers University

    New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
    PhD, Yeshiva University 1974
    oldstein@math.rutgers.edu
  15. Lawrence F. Gray
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Minnesota
    Minneapolis, MN, USA.
    PhD, Cornell University 1977
    gray@math.umn.edu
  16. Rami Grossberg
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    Carnegie Mellon University
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1986
    rami@cmu.edu
  17. Lee O. Hagglund
    Professor of Mathematics
    Wofford College
    Spartanburg, S.C. USA
    Ph.D., Duke 1972
    hagglundlo@wofford.edu
  18. A. Michael Hasofer
    Emeritus Professor of Statistics
    University of New South Wales
    Sydney, NSW, Australia.
    PhD, University of Tasmania 1964
    renmich@ajm.net.au
  19. Tim Hesterberg
    Research Scientist
    MathSoft/Statistical Sciences
    Seattle, WA, USA.
    PhD, Stanford, 1988
    timh@statsci.com
  20. Peter Hines
    Programmer
    University of Wales
    Bangor, Wales.
    PhD, University of Wales, 1997
  21. Svetlana Jitomirskaya
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    University of California Irvine
    Irvine, CA, USA.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1991
    szhitomi@math.uci.edu
  22. Gil Kalai
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1983
    kalai@math.huji.ac.il
  23. Fima Klebaner
    Associate Professor of Mathematics and Statistics
    University of Melbourne
    Parkville, Victoria, Australia
    PhD, Melbourne University 1983
  24. David Klein
    Professor of Mathematics
    California State University
    Northridge, CA, USA.
    PhD, Cornell 1981
  25. Richard N. Lane
    President
    Lane, Westly Inc.
    Ph.D., Caltech, 1968
    richlane@ieee.org
    http://frontpage.home.net/richlanephd/
  26. Joel Lebowitz
    George William Hill Professor of Mathematics and Physics
    Rutgers University

    New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
    Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Syracuse University 1956
    lebowitz@math.rutgers.edu
  27. Nati Linial
    Professor of Computer Science,
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1978
  28. Gary Lorden
    Professor of Mathematics
    California Institute of Technology
    Pasadena, CA, USA.
    PhD, Cornell 1966
  29. Brendan McKay
    Professor of Computer Science
    Australian National University
    Canberra, ACT, Australia.
    Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science
    PhD, Melbourne University 1980
    bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
    http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/
  30. Tom Metzger
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Purdue
  31. Aaron Meyerowitz
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    Florida Atlantic University
    Boca Raton, FL, USA.
    PhD, Colorado State University 1984
    meyerowi@fau.edu
  32. Stephen D. Miller
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    Yale University
    New Haven, CT, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1997
    steve@math.yale.edu
    http://www.math.yale.edu/users/steve
  33. Paul Nevai
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Ohio State University
    Columbus, Ohio, USA.
    Ph.D. 1973, Academy of Sciences, Budapest
    nevai@math.ohio-state.edu
    http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/
  34. Amos Nevo
    Department of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1992
  35. Eli Passow
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA 19122
    Ph.D., Yeshiva University, 1966
    passow@euclid.math.temple.edu
  36. John Allen Paulos
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA, USA.
    PhD, University of Wisconsin, 1974
    paulos@math.temple.edu
    http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos
  37. Yehuda Pinchover
    Assoicate Professor Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1986
    pincho@tx.technion.ac.il
  38. Alexander Pruss
    Department of Philosophy
    University of Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Univ. British Columbia 1996
    pruss+@pitt.edu
    http://www.pitt.edu/~pruss
  39. Maurice Rojas
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    City University of Hong Kong
    Hong Kong, China.
    PhD, Berkeley 1995
  40. Mary Beth Ruskai
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Massachusetts Lowell
    Lowell, MA, USA.
    PhD, Univ. of Wisconsin 1969
  41. Jeremy Schiff
    Senior Lecturer, Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science
    Bar-Ilan University
    Ramat Gan, Israel.
    PhD, Columbia University NY 1991
    schiff@math.biu.ac.il
  42. Gideon Schwarz
    Professor of Statistics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Columbia University 1961
    mschwart@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il
  43. Senya Shlosman
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of California Irvine
    Irvine, CA, USA.
    PhD, Steklov Institute of Mathematics, Leningrad 1977
    shlosman@math.uci.edu
  44. Barry Simon
    IBM Professor of Mathematics and Theoretical Physics and Executive Officer for Mathematics
    California Institute of Technology
    Pasadena, CA, USA.
    Member, Austrian Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Princeton 1970
    D. Sc. h. c., Technion, 1999
    bsimon@bigfoot.com
    http://math.caltech.edu/people/simon.html
    http://wopr.com/biblecodes/
  45. Martha Simon
    Lecturer in Mathematics
    California State University
    Northridge, CA, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1974
  46. J. Laurie Snell
    Professor of Mathematics Emeritus
    Dartmouth College

    Hanover, NH, USA.
    PhD, University of Illinois 1951
    jlsnell@dartmouth.edu
    http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance
  47. Terry Speed
    Professor of Statistics
    University of California
    Berkeley, CA, USA.
    PhD, Monash University 1969
    terry@stat.berkeley.edu
  48. Terence Tao
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    UCLA
    Los Angeles, CA, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1996
    tao@math.ucla.edu
    http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao
  49. Ian Wanless
    Research Fellow in Mathematics
    Christ Church, Oxford, United Kingdom.
    PhD, Australian National University 1997
    wanless@maths.ox.ac.uk
  50. Thomas Ward
    School of Mathematics
    University of East Anglia
    Norwich, England.
    t.ward@uea.ac.uk
    http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/people/tw.html
  51. Herbert S. Wilf
    Thomas A. Scott Professor of Mathematics
    University of Pennsylvania
    Philadelphia, PA, USA
    PhD, Columbia University 1958
    wilf@math.upenn.edu
    http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~wilf
  52. Henry Wolkowicz
    Professor of Combinatorics and Optimization
    University of Waterloo
    Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
    PhD, McGill 1979
    henry@orion.math.uwaterloo.ca
    http://orion.math.uwaterloo.ca/~hwolkowi
  53. Abraham Wyner
    Visiting Assistant Professor of Statistics
    University of California Berkeley
    PhD, Stanford 1993
    ajw@stat.berkeley.edu
  54. Doron Zeilberger
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA, USA.
    PhD, Weizmann Institute of Science 1976
    zeilberg@euclid.math.temple.edu
  55. Yakov I. Zhitomirskii
    Professor of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1959
    yazhit@techunix.technion.ac.il

Link to this page: http://math.caltech.edu/code/petition.html

 

 

Some more information by Mr. Barry Simon: Definitely check out this great link

Link: http://www.wopr.com/biblecodes/TheCase.htm

 

 

Again it should be CLEAR that the Torah (Bible) Codes are a FRAUD and are NOT real

 

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