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Rebuttal to Answering Islam's Article "Are Divinity and Humanity Irreconcilable?"

Bassam Zawadi




Their article can be located here http://www..org/Assumptions/irreconcilable.htm 

Answering Islam said:

The Muslim speaker said, "Just as the ocean cannot be contained in a tea cup, the infinite God cannot be contained in the finite body of Jesus."

There you go; that is a basic assumption of Muslims used to "refute" the doctrines of the Incarnation and the Trinity. More philosophically the assumption can be stated as, "If the content of a proposition is apparently logically contradictory, then the reality denoted by that content is ontologically/metaphyically impossible."

Like most Islamic arguments about things Christian, the Islamic assumption sounds good on the surface, but only so long as one stays on the surface. Just a little digging and the fallacious thinking is patent. Just a little digging on my part revealed the following about this Islamic assumption:

1. Modal terms such as "possible," or "impossible," apply to propositions only, not to beings. This was the gist of Kant’s refutation of Anselm’s ontological argument in the Proslogion. Thus it makes no sense to say that the bodily finite Jesus is the infinite God is impossible. Jesus is not merely a proposition; and God is not merely a proposition.

2. The logical and the ontological realms are discrete. Muslims fail to demonstrate that the one realm must necessarily operate under the same rules as the other. I would love to see that argument developed.

3. Since Muslims apparently believe in a God who is all-powerful, why do they attempt to constrain that God by logical rules that apply to propositions only? Is God merely a proposition, or is God bound by those logical rules? Of course, a Muslim could claim that Allah bound Allah’s self by those logical rules. Where is the proof for this claim? Again, I would love to see that argument developed.

4. Just yesterday I was reading a hadith qudsi that said, "Our Lord (glorified and exalted be He) descends each night to the earth’s sky when there remains the final third of the night… [al-Bukhari, Muslim, Malik, at-Tirmidhi, and Abu Dawud]. To descend is a movement through space. Only a physical entity can move through space. Thus even the hadith has a non-physical God act in physical ways. Sounds contradictory or impossible to me. I guess Muslims believe that the infinite Allah can act in finitely physical ways only under certain circumstances. God can enter space and time, but not flesh. God can do some impossible things, but not others. Do I have that right? Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.

Why do I have the feeling that Muslims will respond by saying that some language is metaphorical and other language isn’t. When we say that Allah descends that is metaphorical. And how do we know that? Well, it is obvious—Muslims have decided that Allah can only act in the ways Muslims have decided that Allah can act. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a Salafiyyah Muslim who said that Allah has an arm, eyes, foot, and a throne (I hope I have those parts correct). When I asked whether the arm and the throne were physical, his response was, "I only know what the Qur’an says. I know there is a throne, but I don’t know whether it is a physical throne or not." I didn’t say it, but I was wondering what a non-physical throne would be—an imaginative throne (one that isn’t there; Allah is sitting on a throne that isn’t there), a spiritual throne (and how does a spiritual throne differ from a physical throne?) Wouldn’t Muslims find life much more logical if they granted that Allah can do whatever Allah wills to do, even if that will looks to us like a contradiction or a breaking of the rules of metaphysics.


 My Response:

Indeed God says in the Quran that he has a hand, but he has a hand that suites his majesty. It does not indicate that it is a 'finite' hand as ours. So that argument means nothing. 

As for the hadith....

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Source: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=1829&Tags=&Index=&Search=0&desc=-1&SID=-1&pos=&CurRecPos=&dsd=&ST=&Tag=&SP=

The commentary of this hadith basically states that it is possible that it is a form of expression that angels come down with God's command as they usually do in other situations. 

Either way the author makes a false comparison between God coming down and moving around in finite space and time and the fact that God became a man. When God the infinite moves around in finite space, he still remains infinite. Nothing has changed. 

But Christians believe that Jesus was fully God and fully man. They believe that Jesus was finite and infinite at the same time. They believe that Jesus was mortal and immortal at the same time. They believe that Jesus was omniscient and non omniscient at the same time. They believe that Jesus was eternal and non eternal at the same time. This is as illogical as saying that some one is a married bachelor.

Yes indeed Allah does what he wills to do, but he would never will to do something ungodly. If God does anything that goes against his attributes and nature then that is an ungodly act. God is All Just, if God chooses to be unfair then he ceases to be God. Similarly God is infinite, if he chooses to become finite then he ceases to be God. It is self refuting. 

You cannot go and use the "well we can't understand God because of our limited minds" argument. Because yes indeed it is true that we can't fully comprehend God. We cannot fully comprehend how he is eternal and all that. But we do have a brain to think with. Obviously God told us about his attributes. If He goes against them, then he ceases to be God.






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