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Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's Article "Jesus the Eternal Lord of Glory: An Examination of John 17:5 in light of one Muslim's Response"

By
Bassam Zawadi

 

 

Sam Shamoun's article could be located here http://www../Responses/Osama/zaatri_glory.htm You must read it first and then read this article. 

 

I won't be refuting most of the article because it is irrelevant. Shamoun brings up different verses but they have been refuted here...

http://www.wrestedscriptures.com/b08trinity/john6v33v38v51v58.html

http://www.wrestedscriptures.com/b08trinity/john6v62.html

http://www.wrestedscriptures.com/b08trinity/john8v58.html 

 

The other verses brought up are quoted from Paul's writings but I can care less about what Paul has to say. I want to see what Jesus said from his own lips. 

 

Anyways John 17:5, which talks about God giving Jesus glory that Jesus had with him before the world began proves nothing. First of all God has given glory to people before...

Psalm 3:3

But you are a shield around me, O LORD; you bestow glory on me and lift [ Or LORD , / my Glorious One, who lifts ] up my head.

Psalm 8:5

You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ Or than God ] and crowned him with glory and honor.

 

Shamoun argues back that God gave Jesus HIS OWN GLORY, which he can give no other. So this proves Jesus is God. However, we see that Jesus gave this glory that was given to him from God to the disciples...

 

John 17:22

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

 

So does that make the disciples God as well?

 

As for the preexistence issue well all of us preexisted in God's knowledge. The God loved Jesus before creating him and therefore this is the glory that Jesus had with God...

John 17:24

Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

 

Shamoun proves no case by quoting John 17:5 to prove Jesus' deity. As a matter of fact, just read two verses before it we see that Jesus is not God...

John 17:3

3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

Here Jesus is saying that the Father is the only true God. Jesus is not God and Amen to that.

 

 

 

 

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