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Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's Article "The Justice of God"

By
Bassam Zawadi

 

 

 

Sam Shamoun responded back to an article that I wrote

Sam Shamoun starts off by putting forth a contradiction in the Quran regarding warners. This is a separate topic that will be dealt with later on in the future. The point is that in the Quran it clearly teaches that someone who has not been warned will not be punished. So there is no injustice going to happen to them. 

Sam Shamoun said:

Third, the Quran says that Allah predestines whomever he wills to hell or heaven, deliberately deceiving and misleading those whom he desires:

Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers. And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones… Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him; and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on. S. 7:178-179, 186 Shakir

And We have sent no Messenger save with the tongue of his people, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 14:4 Arberry

My Response:

This covers the argument in detail. 

Sam Shamoun said:

The Quran also says that had Allah wanted to he could have given everyone the guidance, but has obviously chosen not to:

And if their turning away is hard on you, then if you can seek an opening (to go down) into the earth or a ladder (to ascend up) to heaven so that you should bring them a sign and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have gathered them all on guidance, therefore be not of the ignorant. S. 6:35 Shakir

Say - For Allah's is the final argument - Had He willed He could indeed have guided all of you. S. 6:149 Pickthall

In truth thy Lord destroyed not the townships tyrannously while their folk were doing right. And if thy Lord had willed, He verily would have made mankind one nation, yet they cease not differing, Save him on whom thy Lord hath mercy; and for that He did create them. And the Word of thy Lord hath been fulfilled: Verily I shall fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. S. 11:117-119 Pickthall

And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did. S. 16:93 Shakir

And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. S. 32:13 Pickthall

My Response:

The verses simply state that Allah could have created everyone a believer. But he did not. Instead he granted us free will to choose for our selves to become believers. If God created all of us believers then this life would not be a test any more. 

Doesn't this same thing apply to Sam's God as well? Couldn't Sam's God have the power to create us all as believers? But he did not and gave us free will. So Sam is just criticizing his own God as well. 

Sam Shamoun said:

Surely this is a reminder, so whoever pleases takes to his Lord a way. And you do not please except that Allah please, surely Allah is Knowing, Wise; He makes whom He pleases to enter into His mercy; and (as for) the unjust, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement. S. 76:29-31 Shakir

This last reference explicitly says that a person will not be pleased to follow Allah unless Allah is pleased to grant him or her that ability!

My Response:

That is a wrong translation by Shakir. The word in Arabic is yasha'a and it means 'wills'.

Most of the translations got it right...

From https://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search1.cgi?search_text=76%3A30-31&all=1&B1=Search:


Yusuf Ali:

[076:030]  But ye will not, except as God wills; for God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.

[076:031]  He will admit to His Mercy whom He will; But the wrong-doers,- for them has He prepared a grievous Penalty.

Transliteration:

[076:030]  Wama tashaoona illa an yashaa Allahu inna Allaha kana AAaleeman hakeeman

[076:031]  Yudkhilu man yashao fee rahmatihi waalththalimeena aAAadda lahum AAathaban aleeman

Arabic (from right to left):

?76:30 ????????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?????

?76:31 ???? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????? ?????

Sher Ali:

[076:030]  But you cannot so wish unless ALLAH so wills. Verily, ALLAH is All-Knowing, Wise.

[076:031]  HE admits into HIS mercy whom HE pleases and for the wrongdoers HE has prepared a painful punishment.

Shakir:

[076:030]  And you do not please except that Allah please, surely Allah is Knowing, Wise;

[076:031]  He makes whom He pleases to enter into His mercy; and (as for) the unjust, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement.

Pickthall:

[076:030]  Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.

[076:031]  He maketh whom He will to enter His mercy, and for evil-doers hath prepared a painful doom.

Sale:

[076:030]  But ye shall not will, unless God willeth; for God is knowing, and wise.

[076:031]  He leadeth whom He pleaseth into his mercy: But for the unjust hath He prepared a grievous punishment.

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

[076:030]  But you cannot will, unless Allah wills. Verily, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.

[076:031]  He will admit to His Mercy whom He will and as for the Zalimoon, (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) He has prepared a painful torment.

Palmer:

[076:030]  But ye will not please except God please! Verily, God is knowing, wise.

[076:031]  He makes whomsoever He pleases to enter into His mercy; but the unjust He has prepared for them a grievous woe!

Arberry:

[076:030]  But you will not unless God wills; surely God is ever All-knowing, All-wise.

[076:031]  For He admits into His mercy whomsoever He will; as for the evildoers, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement.

 

So God enters into his mercy whom he wills. So this is basically the same argument as the previous verses and I referred you to go to this article. 

 

Sam Shamoun said:

Moreover, Allah can even command people to act immorally in order to destroy them!

And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall

Notice that Allah sends commands with the intention of destroying the people, not saving them. In other words, Allah has already decided beforehand that he will destroy the town and will do so by sending them commands that they will not perform. According to Egyptian Christian writer and scholar, Dr. Labib Mikhail, the text actually implies that Allah is commanding the people to commit evil in order to destroy them:

I have to mention, as one who mastered the Arabic as my first language and who has read the different versions of the Koran, that some of who translated the Koran into English were not honest; they tried to deceive the English speaking reader. Here are a few examples of their deception.

(4) In Surat Al-Isra we read this Arabic verse in the Koran, where Allah is saying:

Wa eza aradna an nohlika kariatan amarna motrifiha fafasako feha fahaqa Alliah alkowl fadamarnaha (Surat Al-Isra 17:16)

The correct translation of this verse should be:

And when we (Allah) decide to destroy a village, we send a definite command to those who lead a life of luxury in it to commit lewdness, and thus the word of torment is justified against them. Then we destroy it with complete destruction.

This means that when Allah wants to destroy a village that he will command the elite of that town to commit gross sins. Then after that he will punish them because they obeyed his commands. (Mikhail, Islam, Muhammad and the Koran: A Documented Analysis [Blessed Hope Ministry, Springfield VA; Second edition, Revised and Expanded 2002; second edition], pp. 111, 112-113, here is also a link to the first edition of his book)

The late Christian writer ‘Abdallah Abd al-‘Fadi wrote:

Does God desire to destroy the people he created? Would He really command people who live at ease in a certain place to commit ungodliness, so that they would be worthy of punishment, together with the poor who live among them? Is this compatible with God’s justice, holiness and faithfulness? How could anyone ascribe to God such infamy, injustice and ungodliness?

Besides, the Qur’an contradicts this statement in many other places… (Al-‘Fadi, Is the Qur’an Infallible? [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 131)

One of the texts which al-‘Fadi quoted to prove that Allah commands ungodliness as to destroy people is this very text of Sura 17:16. Since both he and Mikhail know/knew Arabic, Zawadi cannot use the lame excuse that this interpretation is the result of failing to properly understand or exegete the Arabic Quran.

 

My Response:

This issue has already been dealt with https://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/evil_abomination.htm 

Sam Shamoun said:

Allah even creates the idols which persons worship and which leads them to be punished!

He said: Worship ye that which ye yourselves do carve When Allah hath created you and what ye make? S. 37:95-96 Pickthall

He said, `Do you worship that which you yourselves carve out, Whereas ALLAH has created you and also your handiwork?' Sher Ali

My Response:

This is referring to their idols which were made out of wood and other things that their idols were made out of. (Tafsir of Tabari) So obviously God created these things. So what?

Sam Shamoun said:

Lest Zawadi try to distort what these texts actually imply we will allow the so-called sound narrations provide further clarification:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
I did not see anything so resembling minor sins as what Abu Huraira said from the Prophet, who said, "Allah has written for the son of Adam his inevitable share of adultery whether he is aware of it or not: The adultery of the eye is the looking (at something which is sinful to look at), and the adultery of the tongue is to utter (what it is unlawful to utter), and the innerself wishes and longs for (adultery) and the private parts turn that into reality or refrain from submitting to the temptation." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 77, Number 609)

Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he OF NECESSITY MUST COMMIT (or there would be no escape from it). (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6421; see also Number 6422)

Allah has predetermined the very adultery, the very wickedness a person will necessarily commit!

Abu al-Aswad reported that 'Imran b Husain asked him: What is your view, what the people do today in the world, and strive for, is it something decreed for them or preordained for them or will their fate in the Hereafter be determined by the fact that their Prophets brought them teaching which they did not act upon? I said: Of course, IT IS SOMETHING WHICH IS PREDETERMINED FOR THEM AND PREORDAINED FOR THEM. He (further) said: Then, would it not be an injustice (to punish them)? I felt greatly disturbed because of that, and said: Everything is created by Allah and lies in His Power. He would not be questioned as to what He does, but they would be questioned; thereupon he said to me: May Allah have mercy upon you, I did not mean to ask you but for testing your intelligence. Two men of the tribe of Muzaina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion that the people do in the world and strive for, is something decreed for them; omething preordained for them and will their fate in the Hereafter be determined by the fact that their Prophets brought them teachings which they did not act upon, and thus they became deserving of punishment? Thereupon, HE SAID: Of course, it happens AS IT IS DECREED BY DESTINY AND PREORDAINED FOR THEM, and this view is confirmed by this verse of the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious: "Consider the soul and Him Who made it perfect, THEN BREATHED INTO IT ITS SIN and its piety" (xci. 8). (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6406)

Notice that Imran b. Husain asked whether the fate of individuals rested on their response to the teaching brought by their Prophets or on the basis of what Allah has predestined. The answer is given by Imran himself on the authority of Muhammad that the destiny of people is not due to how they responded to their Prophets' message, but on what Allah has preordained and decreed for them. The narration even quotes Sura 91:8 to support the fact that Allah is the one who breathes the sin (i.e. the very evil, the wickedness of a person) into a person's soul!

 

My Response:

Again the same answer to this is found in the article.

As for Surah 91:8...

8a. The verse is a fitting sequel to the statement made in the previous verse as regards the perfection of the soul, as it points out the way to perfection. It is through ilham, Divine inspiration, or revelation, that the soul is made perfect, because Divine revelation makes clear, the two ways, fujur, or the way of deviation from the Truth, i.e., the way of evil, and taqwa, or the way of observance of duty, or the way of good. It is by avoiding the former and walking in the latter that perfection can be attained. Both Rodwell and Palmer are wrong here in translating the verse as meaning, And breathed into it its wickedness and its piety? (Rodwell), ?aught it its sin and its piety? (Palmer), for the statement in this form is not only contradicted by the whole of the Quran, but is also self-contradictory and meaningless. Ilham always signifies an intimation by inspiration from the Divine Being, or Divine revelation. And this is peculiar to that which is intimated by All??(R). Rz says the intimation by inspiration of good and evil means the making a man to understand and know them both, and he adds that this explanation is accepted by I'ab and all trustworthy commentators. (Commentary by Maulana Mohammad Ali, Source)

 

Sam Shamoun said:

As far as being born again is concerned, the Bible affirms that everyone must experience this spiritual rebirth, this spiritual transformation in order to be fit for God's kingdom:

"Jesus answered him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.' Nicode'mus said to him, 'How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?' Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born anew." The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.'" John 3:3-8

"I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." 1 Corinthians 15:50

Yet it does not follow that only those who hear the message are capable of being born again, or that God cannot cause infants to be born anew before their deaths as an act of mercy and grace. God can make children fit for his eternal kingdom by causing them to experience this spiritual rebirth just as the followng example demonstrates:

"But the angel said to him, 'Do not be afraid, Zechari'ah, for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth; for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.'" Luke 1:13-15

John the Baptist, while still in his mother's womb, was filled with the Holy Spirit, indicating that even babies can be born from above!

 

My Response:

This is only one specific case. This is because God preordained that John be a great Prophet and filled him with the Holy Spirit from the start so that he may go and fulfill his mission. God does not do this for everyone. 

We even had it in the Quran that God made an exception for Jesus and Mary that the devil does not touch them during their birth. These are only exceptions. 

Of course it is POSSIBLE for God. God could do what he wants. However, Christians believe in original sin and that you are born condemned...

Ephesians 2:3

3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

Romans 5:18-20

  18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

    20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

Unless God says he would make a special exception for some one (like he did for Jesus or John according to the Bible) then we would have to assume that God will continue abiding by what he said. That being EVERYONE is born condemned. There should not be any inconsistency.

Sam Shamoun said:

John the Baptist, while still in his mother's womb, was filled with the Holy Spirit, indicating that even babies can be born from above!

Zawadi now quotes Acts 14:16:

Acts 14:16

16In the past, he let all nations go their own way.

The commentary of this verse...

suffered all nations to walk in their own ways;
of ignorance, superstition, and idolatry; which they devised, and chose, and delighted in: not that he gave them any licence to walk in these ways, without being chargeable with sin, or with impunity; but he left them to themselves, to the dim light and law of nature, and gave them no written law, nor any external revelation of his mind and will; nor did he send any prophets or ministers of his unto them, to show them the evil of their ways, and turn them from them, and direct them to the true God, and the right way of worshipping him; but left them to take their own methods, and pursue the imagination of their own hearts: but the apostle suggests, that the case was now altered, and God had sent them and other ministers of his, among all nations of the world, to protest against their superstition and idolatry; and to reclaim them from their evil ways, and to direct them to the true and living God, and his worsip, and to preach salvation by his Son Jesus Christ.

Source: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/gil.cgi?book=ac&chapter=014&verse=016&next=017&prev=015

Allowed them to live as they wished, prescribing and appointing them no type of religion.

Source: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=ac&chapter=014

So in the past there were people whom God allowed to commit evil deeds and did not even bother warning them. However, this has changed now and now there is no excuse.

However, there never was an excuse in the first place...

Romans 1:20

20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

This verse is stating that there is no excuse at all for those to reject God because his qualities are clear.

So that means that those people will be held accountable even due to the fact that they have not been warned!

RESPONSE:

First, here is the immediate context of Acts 14:16:

"Now at Lystra there was a man sitting, who could not use his feet; he was a cripple from birth, who had never walked. He listened to Paul speaking; and Paul, looking intently at him and seeing that he had faith to be made well, said in a loud voice, 'Stand upright on your feet.' And he sprang up and walked. And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in Lycao'nian, 'The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!' Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, because he was the chief speaker, they called Hermes. And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates and wanted to offer sacrifice with the people. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out among the multitude, crying, 'Men, why are you doing this? We also are men, of like nature with you, and bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to a living God who made the heaven and the earth andthe sea and all that is in them. In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways; YET HE DID NOT LEAVE HIMSELF WITHOUT A WITNESS, for he did good and gave you from heaven rains and fruitful seasons, satisfying your hearts with food and gladness.' With these words they scarcely restrained the people from offering sacrifice to them." Acts 14:8-18

What Paul was saying in context is that, even though the Gentiles hadn't received supernatural revelation in the form of Scriptures or Prophets, they nonetheless had received knowledge and evidence of God's goodness and existence in creation. Paul repeated this very point in both Romans 1, which Zawadi failed to quote in context, as well as elsewhere in the book of Acts:

"Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. So he argued in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the market place every day with those who chanced to be there. Some also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers met him. And some said, 'What would this babbler say?' Others said, 'He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities' -- because he preached Jesus and the resurrection.
19: And they took hold of him and brought him to the Are-op'agus, saying, 'May we know what this new teaching is which you present? For you bring some strange things to our ears; we wish to know therefore what these things mean.' Now all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new. So Paul, standing in the middle of the Are-op'agus, said: "Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along, and observed theobjects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, "To an unknown god." What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything. And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation, that they should seek God, IN THE HOPE THAT THEY MIGHT FEEL AFTER HIM AND FIND HIM. Yet he is not far from each one of us, for "In him we live and move and have our being"; as even some of your poets have said, "For we are indeed his offspring." Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but nw he commands all men everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead.' Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, 'We will hear you again about this.'" Acts 19:16-32

God, Paul proclaimed, determined where and when people would live in order to grant them a witness of his existence with the hopes that this would lead them to him.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen." Romans 1:18-5

Man is without excuse for his corrupt and sinful behavior since God has made himself known to him through the creation even though man may try to suppress this revelation. Paul went on to say that God had even written his moral requirements within the heart of every man, accounting for man's knowledge of morals and ethics, even though such knowledge has been skewed by man's depraved nature:

"When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." Romans 2:14-16

Paul was simply reiterating the very teaching of the OT at this point:

"But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or the plants of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind." Job 12:7-10

"The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard; yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat." Psalm 19:1-6

This is known as General Revelation, the revelation which God has given to all men without discrimination.

Moreover, it is quite obvious that Zawadi doesn't understand what he reads since his own sources backfire against him:

suffered all nations to walk in their own ways;
of ignorance, superstition, and idolatry; which they devised, and chose, and delighted in: not that he gave them any licence to walk in these ways, without being chargeable with sin, or with impunity; but he left them to themselves, TO THE DIM LIGHT AND LAW OF NATURE, and gave them no WRITTEN law, nor any EXTERNAL revelation of his mind and will; nor did he send any prophets or ministers of his unto them, to show them the evil of their ways, and turn them from them, and direct them to the true God, and the right way of worshipping him; but left them to take their own methods, and pursue the imagination of their own hearts: but the apostle suggests, that the case was now altered, and God had sent them and other ministers of his, among all nations of the world, to protest against their superstition and idolatry; and to reclaim them from their evil ways, and to direct them to the true and living God, and his worship, and to preach salvation by his Son Jesus Christ.

In fact, here is what John Gill went on to say in reference to Acts 14:17, which Zawadi conveniently ignored:

Nevertheless, he left not himself without witness
Of his kindness and goodness to them, during this long interval and period of time; for they had not the written law, yet they were not destitute of the law of nature; and had, besides, many instances of providential goodness, by which they might have known God: and should have been thankful to him, and glorified him as God, and not have worshipped the idols of their own hands; the goodness of God should have led them to repentance, and not have been abused to so many wicked purposes as it had been: (Source; underline emphasis ours)

Gill obviously noted Paul's point that God had revealed himself in creation and conscience even to those who had not received supernatural revelation such as inspired books and prophets. As Paul stated in Acts 17, the reason why God has given all men the knowledge of his existence in creation and conscience is because he desires for all his creatures to seek after him in order that they might find him and be saved. God takes no delight in the destruction of sinners:

"But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness which he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" Ezekiel 18:20-23

"So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. If I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but you will have saved your life. And you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, Thus have you said: 'Our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we waste away because of them; how then can we live?' Say to them, As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?" Ezekiel 33:7-11

"The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

What the foregoing implies is that man is without excuse for not seeking God who desires to reveal himself to those who earnestly yearn for him:

"And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." Hebrews 11:6

Therefore, God is completely just in punishing even those individuals who have no Prophets or inspired Books sent to them:

"Or do you presume upon the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience? Do you not know that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. For he will render to every man according to his works:" Romans 2:4-6

My Response:

I agree. I actually use this argument with atheists. Telling them that they are blind and cannot see that there is a God out there. That they see the stars and moon and mountains (and all other creations of God) and still cannot comprehend that there is a creator. Of course people are without excuse for not acknowledging that there is a God.

However, the reason why I criticized this point is just because someone might come to the conclusion that there is a God that does not mean he knows who God truly is and worship Him the way He wants to be worshipped.

Muslims and Christians believe in God, however we both believe that the other has a wrong perception of God and don't worship Him the way He should be worshipped.

The only way for a person to know this is through revelation and guidance, which God did not give to those people and he is going to punish them for it.

 

 

 

 

Back to My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

Rebuttals by Bassam Zawadi.

Islam and the Noble Quran - Questions and Answers.

Answering Trinity.

Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.

What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.

Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.

Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!

Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible.

Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross.  I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken.    My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion.  I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.


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