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Mr. Canadian Atheist I am going to nicely ask you to stop posting about christianity. We are not Christians and we honestly don't care about christianity.

Quote from: abdullah on July 22, 2013, 02:40:08 am
Alright you claim god doesn't exist prove it
Also the fact that religion is an "opium to the masses" doesn't negate gods existence rather it supports gods existence

You claim that Zeus doesn't exist prove it.

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Atheism killed numbers more than what all religions killed through history

Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

1.When did I ever claim Zeus doesn't exist?

2.Hitler was also a darwinist

Assalamualaykum
I found something which might prove these ayat are metaphorical. In surah 81 ayah 1 it says when the sun is covered up, but the word that it uses for covering up is kwrt which is only used for wrapping around round things. So how can the heavens be a canopy if the Quran says the sun is round.
Mr. Canadian Atheist I appreciate your snide remarks, but what I meant was if we took a literal interpreation of these ayat it would contradict other ayat.

Quote from: abdullah on Today at 12:12:33 pm
3.You still don't understand my argument, you haven't even dealt with my second law of thermodynamics argument.
7.No, im not refuting natural selection, i'm refuting Darwinian evolution via natural selection

Brother, I hate to intervene, but the second law of thermodynamics applies to a closed system. Life is not a closed system it is an open system as the sun provides the energy for life processes to occur. This is a very basic explanation, if you are interested please look it up. Knowledge is power and we should pursue knowledge with a passion. Don't show ignorance on science and then use that ignorance to attack science.

Lets take this from a logical perspective, If I build a house: I create order instead of entropy. Does that mean I couldn't do it because I contradicted the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

Stop trying to deny Allah's method of creation, a method which is both mentioned in the Quran and explained by science. Personally, I feel this is rather insulting to your creator. I guess not even evidence can convince the unwilling.

1.Thank you for proving my point, did you read my previous post I said there are only two processes in the universe that are known to cause low entropy. Mind guided processes and physical laws( gravity, quantom mechanics, etc.,etc..) Darwinian Evolution doesn't fall under any of the two categories. Natural selection is not a mind guided process and it is not a natural law.

2.DO NOT try to force your interpretation of the Qur'an on me, I do not do it to you and I hope you can do the same for me.

3. The only thing I'm refuting is Darwinian Evolution, not God guided evolution. I have no stance on god guided evolution

You believe he's eternal. You believing something won't make it true, unfortunately. You need to provide proof of that claim. If you can't, it's false. For example, I can say that Zeus created the Earth without proof too.


All of you guys are using ancient arguments from Harun Yahya that were refuted centuries ago. We found other transitional fossils later. Scientists only did this for fame and wealth. Genetic fallacy.


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I think the whole world facepalmed to this ? For the thousand time : Allah isn't created ! He is the creator ! The creator can't be created !

Circular reasoning.

False premise: The universe must have a creator
Jumping to conclusions: Therefore the creator is Allah
Circular reasoning: Allah doesn't need a creator, because I said so!


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Come at us , bro .

Few examples. Allah telling Moses' followers to kill themselves (2:54), delicious cuisine magically falls from the sky (5:115), a staff turns into a serpent (7:107), Jonah gets swallowed by a fish and prays while inside (37:142), there are only seven heavenly bodies (2:29), etc etc

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. They're the only group that doesn't agree on anything at all

Yes, individual ideas and being able to think for yourself is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you agree?

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Atheism is a demonstration of emotional issues

Emotional issues like how Allah destroyed an entire city because they were gay? Or emotional issues like how Allah once drowned an entire city because they were not Muslims? Or emotional issues like "worship me man, I love you, too bad you have to burn in hell if you don't"

""I will become angry upon the insulting and degrading of my pious slaves, like how a lion becomes furious when its cubs are harassed." "

An all knowing deity can't be angry. That's illogical. Anger is a result of surprise, for example, if you're my loyal servant and one day you betray me, I would be angry. But if I already know you're gonna betray me, I'm not gonna get angry.

1. What kind of proof are you asking for? I can philosophically prove it to you. If you are unwilling to even understand islam I see no point in conversing with you.

2.Agreed. Harun Yahya is a fraud.

3. Same as point 1

4.The majority of your points are miracles. Which I can neither prove or disprove, unless I show you the Qur'an is from God. Seven heavenly bodies? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and  assume you misread the ayah.

5.The rest of your points are opinions and I see no point of even conversing with you on these matters.

At this point I see no point of carrying on our discussion good bye sir

What do you need proof of? That the Gnostic texts exist? Go to the museum and see them...

No I was asking for you for proof that Adam and Eve(peace be upon them both) did not exist. Just because earlier civilization knew of them doesn't mean they didn't exist

"Nothing exploded and became something and then we got this finely tuned beauty called the universe"
I know, then why do creationists keep claiming that God came out of nothing and then created the universe in six days?

Don't put words into our mouths we never claimed that god came out of nothing and we don't claim that the universe was created in six days. 1.It is basic Islamic philosophy that god is eternal and never had a beginning. Look up the Kallam cosmological argument for the existence of god.
2.The word yawm in arabic has two meanings "day" and "any period of time".

The second law of thermodynamics only works on a closed system. Our Earth is driven by various forces, such as energy from the Sun (solar energy, radiation) or the Moon (tides).

Did you seriously think I didn't know you would respond by saying that. We all agree that any valid theory of evolution must explain how it is that life gives rise to low entropy. There are two, and only two, kinds of processes known to create low entropy:

1.Law-like processes (processes that occur in accordance with known physical laws -- gravity, quantum mechanics, Newtonian laws of motion, relativity, etc.). Crystals, planets, mountains etc. are low entropy aggregations created by law-like physical processes.

2.Mind-like processes -- intentionally planned processes, such as machines, architecture, art, etc.

Any valid theory of evolution must incorporate at least one of these two processes if it is to explain the low entropy in living things.

- See more at: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/09/life_explains_l076791.html#sthash.i1ie41TF.dpuf
Darwinian evolution does not fall under any of two above processes as natural selection is an unguided process with no end in mind.

Ironically, the law of conservation of energy is violated by creationists, it states that energy can't be created or destroyed.

This law only applies to the natural and not the supernatural.

"which also has no hope of explaining irreducible complexity in organisms."
Transitional fossils. Google it.

1. I don't think you know what irreducible complexity is. In organisms we find organelles of a cell and organs that if you were to take one part away from the organelle/ organ it would render the whole organelle/ organ useless. Therefore the organelle/ organ could not have developed slowly. It  must have appeared in the organism complete in order for it to work. And the chances of that happening via mutation is beyond astronomical.
2. Did you seriously just cite the fossil record as proof of evolution, it only goes against evolution. Cambrean Period? all them problems it's causing darwinian evolutionists.

RNA -- > DNA -- > Prokaryotes --- > Eukaryotes (via endosymbiosis)
What was so hard to explain? that's fourth grade biology right there.

You didn't even explain the first cell, you just explained the evolution of the cell. I hope you realize this is all theoritical. They have literally zero proof for a cell that can work on RNA alone. Also lets just assume that amino acids can form spontaneously (which they can't btw) It is literally impossibble for the amino acids to randomly combine and form a single RNA that knows how to replicate itself, act as a protein, convert energy,etc.,etc.. Not only that but the "RNA Cell" has another huge flaw.the RNA world hypothesis can't explain the origin of the genetic code itself. In order to evolve into the DNA/protein-based life that exists today, the RNA world would need to evolve the ability to convert genetic information into proteins. However, this process of transcription and translation requires a large suite of proteins and molecular machines -- which themselves are encoded by genetic information. - See more at: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/12/top_five_probl067431.html#sthash.n2gL6BHu.dpuf

Typical atheist behavior. Throws out a claim without even bothering to provide proof. You know what? The only myth is your worldview. Nothing exploded and became something and then we got this finely tuned beauty called the universe. You know what else is a farce evolution, which violates the most fundamental law of thermodynamics. which also has no hope of explaining irreducible complexity in organisms. Which also has no hope in explaining the first cell