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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:25:48 AM »
According to UNESCO vestiges in Mada'in Saleh and Petra date from the Nabatean kingdom ( 312 BCE-1st century AD), while according to Hadiths the site of Al-Hijr had already been inhabited by the 3rd millennium BC by Thamud.

Why did Prophet Muhammad say that do not enter but weepingly (the habitations) of these people, when all the vestiges were built by Nabateans? The question was raised by a missionary and I certainly don't have any answer.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Urgent: Thamud Location
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:24:41 AM »
As salam 3likum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
Here you do have lots of information about people of Thamud, Petra, nabateans.. http://www.harunyahya.com/en/books/904/Perished-Nations/chapter/3295/Thamud--

That's why i will never read Harun Yahya again.


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Back to the topic. Scientists should have documented one fundamental kind of creature or basic life form morphing into a different fundamental form, like a fish morphing into an amphibian. Or one experiment should show that lifeless chemicals coalesce on their own to form living cells. No such experiments exist.

Since particles-to-people evolution is a mere story—one with no scientific backing(Conclusions derived from repeatable experiments)—  certainly it contradicts Islam.

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If ALLAH(SWT) had mentioned in Quran that life on earth is 3.6 billion years old then that means Islam is supporting a view of recording of geological history via a process of slow, steady change, which is represented by a school of thought known as uniformitarianism (founded by Lyell). Because we simply don't have any fossil record of 90-feet giants, ultimately muslims would be inclined to agree with the evolution theory.

Or if Quran had said something similar like Bible that earth is 6000 years old, we would have been experiencing mass conversion of muslims to atheism or any other faith. Yes, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people that were as tall as 90 feet tall existed but certainly not 3.6 billion years ago.

See this:
http://www.infowars.com/massive-dinosaur-soft-tissue-discovery-in-china-includes-skin-and-feathers/
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/09/75-million-year-old-dinosaur-blood-and-collagen-discovered-in-fossil-fragments

Red blood cells, soft tissue, collagen. These soft tissues shouldn’t be around for more than 125,000 years let alone 68 million years. So brother it's absolutely pointless to say that Prophet Adam lived on earth 3.6 billion years ago , there is a reason why Islam is silent on this subject.

Last but not least, dinosaurs were not tall because of low gravity. Modern scientific community doesn't support the notion that dinosaurs were so big because of ancient(weaker) gravity. Any anti-islamic website can refute this by simply sharing any peer reviewed article or any article, such as:

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/25/dinosaur-reproduction-not-ancient-gravity-made-sauropods-super-sized/
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/feb/07/the-size-of-dinosaurs

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 Or there could've been other human-lines before him.  Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  Certainly, the Angels were concerned about creating humans here on earth as the Noble Verse above says.
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Angels were concerned because the earth was already inhabited by beings that still live parallel to us.

 He could be the absolute first MANKIND ever put foot on earth, 3.6 billion years ago.
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Carbon-14 (C-14) dating of multiple samples of bone from 8 dinosaurs found in Texas, Alaska, Colorado, and Montana revealed that they are only 22,000 to 39,000 years old.
http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html
Jack Horner was offered a $23k grant to C14 date soft tissue bones of dinosaurs , but declined. He agreed the money was more than enough but wouldn’t because it would give evidence to creationists. For the Darwinian story to hold, one has to fortuitously interleave highly fotuitous catastrophes followed by long eras of stasis and do this for each of the layers.

I could be buried tomorrow in 65 million year-old volcanic ash, it doesn’t mean my bones are 65 million years old.







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I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.

I'm not here to convince you to change your so-called opinion based on your interpretation, stop quoting me.

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I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.

What part of "People kept growing smaller until now" you don't understand?

“And (also) ‘Aad and Thamood, and the Dwellers of Ar-Rass, and many generations in between”

[al-Furqaan 25:38 – interpretation of the meaning]

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This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

Yep, but people didn't decrease in stature in Paradise!

There is no other interpretation except that people were taller in the past.
With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”

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The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

That's just your interpretation and nothing else. People in the past were uncomfortable with the ayah about city of Iram and expanding heaven and were outsmarted by ALLAH that Iram was in fact a city, and heaven is actually expanding.

Another Sahih hadith explicitly states:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.(Sahih Bukhari)

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Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walikum Asalam

Mainstream media doesn't support Low Gravity theory, think you should remove that section.

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A brilliant representation by explorer Jim Vieira exposing archaeological cover-ups, that humans were in fact taller in the past!
The cover-up was essential in launching the evolution theory(humans were shorter in the past) into mainstream media. Humans were taller in the past = Humans didn't come from apes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4sI34aIZ0

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Brothers, is there any problem if anyone believes in evolution of other creatures, but denies the evolution of humans?

Yep. The phenomenon of birds becoming flightless birds(adaptation/micro evolution) doesn't contradict Islam, but the never observed phenomenon of cats turning into dogs or bears turning into whales is just  lack of reverence for ALLAH. Notwithstanding that geological timescales are nothing but farce, evolution(macro-evolution) requires tens of millions of years and one has to wonder what evidence do they have that dinosaurs fossils are in fact millions of years old.

 The deposit in which the Tyrannosaurus rex fossil was found is dated at 70 million years. Not only were blood cells found, but soft and pliable tissue as well, including flexible blood vessels!!!!  As mentioned in the following article these soft tissues shouldn’t be around for more than 125,000 years:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/news/cocktail-c14-dna-collagen-in-dinosaurs-indicates-geological-timescales-are-false/

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Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Urgent: Thamud Location
« on: June 03, 2015, 07:17:05 AM »
Question posted by TG12345(Male Christian)

A breif introduction
"And remember when He made you successors after Aad and settled you in the land, and you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. Then remember the favors of God and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption."

—Qur'an, Surah 7 (Al-A'raf)

According to Ibn Khatir(RA):
Thamud came after `Ad. They dwelled between the area of the Hijaz (Western Arabia) and Ash-Sham (Greater Syria).

"According to several passages in the Qur’an, the site was already inhabited in the third millennium BC by the Thamudic tribes. Lihyanite, Minaic and Thamudic inscriptions which have been found on the site, are evidence for an occupation in the first millennium BC."
http://www.islamicurbanheritage.org.sa/english/MadanSaleh.aspx

Now we know for sure that Thamud existed as a civilization before the 8th century BC, but the majority of the vestiges within the Al Madinah Region of Saudi Arabia date from the Nabatean kingdom (1st century AD). Thamud also cannot be equated with the Edomites (the predecessors of Nabataeans) at Petra. Saleh(PBUH) was born before Abraham and the Edomites were a Semitic race.

But Ibn Umar narrated that while the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was passing by Thamud's houses on his way to the battle of Tabuk, he stopped together with the people there. the people fetched water from the wells from which the people of Thamud used to drink. They prepared their dough (for baking) and filled their water skins from it (the water from the wells). The Prophet of Allah (PBUH) ordered them to empty the water skins and give the prepared dough to the camels. Then he went away with them until they stopped at the well from which the she camel (of Salih) used to drink. He warned them against entering upon the people that had been punished, saying "I fear that you may be affected by what afflicted them; so do no enter upon them."

So where are those sites that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) referred to in the above hadith? And if they are completely destroyed then why would the mountain-carved homes of the Thamud be completely annihilated, yet the mountain-carved tombs of the Nabataeans still remain in place?

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Why do scholars like Ibn Kathir and Yusuf Ali claim that they are around at Madain Saleh? Could this be true that Edomites and then Nabataeans were the later generations of Thamud people?
Art of carving houses out of the rocks started with the Thamud, and thousands of years later, in the second and first centuries B.C., it was considerably developed by the Nabataeans? If the sites related to Thamud were in an advanced state of decay(7:78 Whereupon the earthquake overtook them, and so they lay prostrate in their own homes.) in the time of Prophet Mohammed(PBUH), is it plausible
they were completely destroyed( couple of earthquakes and a storm or two) in a few centuries after?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: TALIBAN EXPOSED!
« on: May 08, 2015, 03:23:42 PM »
So who is to blame? The illiterate tribes or the ineffectuality of establishment and government to provide basic building blocks of a good life?
The tribal leaders or so-called Army Chief who surrendered to America that resulted in aerial bombardment of Afghanistan ?

Also enlighten all of us that how many children in Thar died in the last 11 months and about the mortality rate in Karachi.

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